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[pharos_gryphon]

So, reading up on Awakening, I've been somewhat curious.  I seem to recall on my first playthrough that the epilogue at the end says "So and So travels at your side ever after, etc."  Will we be seeing the LI's from the original in some non party member fashion?  Or, at the least, will be some reference as to why they're no longer at our side? o.O

[Bluto Blutarskyx]

i would hope so.



that would be a pretty crappy continuity break.



at least as an npc with a sex scene or something or a "lets go to bed". just carry over the same damn camp prototype character from the first with a few new dialogue options.

[AndreaDraco]

I strongly believe that the love interests (well, Zevran and Leliana at least) will make a, albeit brief, appearance in Awakening, maybe near the opening, as a cameo. Alistair and Morrigan would prove more difficult, but I guess that at least Alistair will be back too.

[TheMadCat]

Yeah they'll make some appearance I'm sure. Lel and Zev don't really seem to be all that important in the grand scheme of things so they may show up for a bit then get axed, perhaps they go through the joining and do a Daveth. Al, if he is carried over, may play a larger role and I'm sure something is saved up for Morrigan though I doubt it'll be shown it any great detail in this expansion.

[Lucy Glitter]

I want them to make an appearance somewhere. :[ *crai*

[Allison W]

TheMadCat wrote...

Yeah they'll make some appearance I'm sure. Lel and Zev don't really seem to be all that important in the grand scheme of things so they may show up for a bit then get axed, perhaps they go through the joining and do a Daveth.

That would be incredibly crappy. Jus' sayin'.

[Feraele]

pharos_gryphon wrote...

So, reading up on Awakening, I've been somewhat curious.  I seem to recall on my first playthrough that the epilogue at the end says "So and So travels at your side ever after, etc."  Will we be seeing the LI's from the original in some non party member fashion?  Or, at the least, will be some reference as to why they're no longer at our side? o.O

Probably end up being in cameo form, or maybe quest givers..and to be honest, I don't think I'd like that.   Hence I guess the offering up of "five new companions".

[KnightofPhoenix]

I for one plan to remain loyal to Morrigan. Except I have to satisfy Anora a bit. But in general, my PC is loyal to Morrigan. So it's not a big issue for me.

[Feraele]

Just want to say..in case Bioware does read our chatter, that its THEIR fault we got so attached to our companions...just sayin ..hehehe

[TheMadCat]

Allison W wrote...

That would be incredibly crappy. Jus' sayin'.

Well yeah, going off of how I said it it would seem like it. But something like that can be quite touching and emotional and very telling if done well. A scene such as that can leave a huge impression on a reader/gamer. Of course the key here being "if done well". But like I said, in the grand scheme of things they just don't appear to be that important and I'd be more surprised if they are alive come the end of Awakening. That or they make them more important come Awakening.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 05 février 2010 - 01:48 .

[RangerSG]

Of course, your romantic interest might end up being the McGuffin for the story, too. That might actually be well-done.



Right now, we know diddly over squat.

[Creature 1]

TheMadCat wrote...

Yeah they'll make some appearance I'm sure. Lel and Zev don't really seem to be all that important in the grand scheme of things

Clearly the man is raving.

so they may show up for a bit then get axed, perhaps they go through the joining and do a Daveth.

My PCs would never let Zevran go through with the joining, and I don't think he'd be interested in it either. 

[Nirvana_Dest]

I am wondering though:



What happened to Queen Anora? Is there a axe to grind between her and Alistair?



Will Zevron become a gray warden to escape from the notice of Crows?



Did Morrigan have her baby and is that baby the talking Dark Spawn? Of course questions of time between the close of DAO and the Awakening would be a issue, unless a "demon child" could grow to adult hood is a brief amount of time!



Alistair is obviously in the opening of the sequel as he appears in the film clips. Is it a cameo or is he part of the main supporting cast?



There is a line in the movie clip pertaining to the PC recruiting gray wardens to refill the ranks. It's quite possible that these recruits could be all of the old NPCs from DA:O

[RangerSG]

Creature 1 wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Yeah they'll make some appearance I'm sure. Lel and Zev don't really seem to be all that important in the grand scheme of things

Clearly the man is raving.

so they may show up for a bit then get axed, perhaps they go through the joining and do a Daveth.

My PCs would never let Zevran go through with the joining, and I don't think he'd be interested in it either. 

Seeing as the romanced epilogue says Zevren didn't ever take the Joining... I don't think this would be in the game unless the PC initiates it.

Honestly, speculating that the romances get axed contra the current epilogues is silly. There's no reason to think that they're going to be so disrespectful to the PC choices. I personally am suspecting they make significant appearances somewhere in the expansion consistent with their role to the PC, but probably not full-party members. But in any case, do we really expect the developers to not care about their own product? One they invested themselves in to begin with?

[draxynnus]

Nirvana_Dest wrote...

Will Zevron become a gray warden to escape from the notice of Crows?

The closest epilogue ending to this has Zevran go to the Grey Warden citadel to assist in training, but not actually Joining himself. Leliana, however, may undergo the Joining.

[TheMadCat]

Seeing as the romanced epilogue says Zevren didn't ever take the Joining... I don't think this would be in the game unless the PC initiates it.

Honestly, speculating that the romances get axed contra the current epilogues is silly. There's no reason to think that they're going to be so disrespectful to the PC choices. I personally am suspecting they make significant appearances somewhere in the expansion consistent with their role to the PC, but probably not full-party members. But in any case, do we really expect the developers to not care about their own product? One they invested themselves in to begin with?/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png

I think you and Creature misread or misunderstood my post. If you romanced them they'll be in Awakening to some degree there is no question about that. The thing with Lel and Zev is at the moment their characters just don't appear to be major players in the grand scheme of things, in other words baggage and in writing baggage is usually a hassle that detracts from the story.

So one of two things will happen, either their characters become larger and more vital to the overall story or they will at some point in Awakening be removed, death is usually the most commonly used vehicle of removal in story because it can be a very telling, very emotional scene. So the question is are they willing to build these two characters up further and is it worth it to the story. Of course they can give them a quickie appearance though to me it seems useless and counterproductive, but if they're going to keep the characters around I'd rather they do them justice or simply give them a very touching send off instead of a 5 minute cameo with nothing to really add to your story. Honestly I don't know, but to me one of those two things just seem to be the most likely to happen. I'd love for them to continue to grow Lel and Zev, both are great characters but when I look back at those two in Origins I just can't help but think they were "throw in's" so to speak. Your relationship seemed to have died once you slept with them, on your return trip to Redcliff and Denerim after the Landsmeet it's like you're complete strangers with zero to add despite the train of important events happening in those two locations. These just aren't signs of "important" characters, especially when you look at Al and Morrigan in comparrison. 

The whole joining thing though was some thought I put out there as an example, by no means was that to be taken literal in any way.

[Creature 1]

TheMadCat wrote...
I'd love for them to continue to grow Lel and Zev, both are great characters but when I look back at those two in Origins I just can't help but think they were "throw in's" so to speak. Your relationship seemed to have died once you slept with them,

Not true, for Zevran at least.  I can't pull myself away from him long enough to romance Lel. . . 

on your return trip to Redcliff and Denerim after the Landsmeet it's like you're complete strangers with zero to add despite the train of important events happening in those two locations. These just aren't signs of "important" characters, especially when you look at Al and Morrigan in comparrison. 

That's a screwup on the devs' part, and not solvable by justa axing them. 

I would much rather Zevran just not show up than appear and get killed.  If that were to happen I would just get completely pissed off, and probably lose any interest in purchasing further DA:O content.  It might even poison DA2. 

[steelfire_dragon]

Greeting, we the Antivian Crows send your our regards.

but we regretfully have to inform you that we, caught up with Zevran using our female assassins, and killed him.



Ohgren however will be there according to the rumors

[TheMadCat]

Creature 1 wrote...

Not true, for Zevran at least.  I can't pull myself away from him long enough to romance Lel. . . 

Understandable, however I'm not talking personal attachments rather character and relationship development within the story and within the story once you "knock boots" there is almost zero development to be found outside of the epilogue.

That's a screwup on the devs' part, and not solvable by justa axing them. 

I would much rather Zevran just not show up than appear and get killed.  If that were to happen I would just get completely pissed off, and probably lose any interest in purchasing further DA:O content.  It might even poison DA2. 

I hesitate to call it a screwup on their part unless they come out and say they screwed up, which to my knowledge they have not. Unless proven otherwise I assume everything was intentional. But you are correct, axing them does not solve the problem, nothing can really solve that problem aside from going back and adding in dialogue and scenes for those particular areas, something that is incredibly unlikely to happen. But nothing they do with those two in Awakening can fix that miss, it was like bottom of the 9th, bases loaded, no outs, and Bioware hits into a triple play.

As for the second comment, to each their own I suppose. Like I said I rather they do the characters and their relationship to the protagonist justice or simply move on, don't let a character of that importance to your characters story linger in oblivion. At the end of the day them lingering in the background and adding nothing to the story will detract a lot of their appeal and when a moment of importance does come about with them the effect won't be as grand, especially if there are new romances out there with characters written just as well or even better than the others.

[Cuddlezarro]

Understandable, however I'm not talking personal attachments rather character and relationship development within the story and within the story once you "knock boots" there is almost zero development to be found outside of the epilogue.

like creature 1 said thats not true for Zevran

Knocking boots is the *start* of the relationship just about since you can get in his pants with really low approval

Zevrans romance takes ages to complete especially since it cant be completed till you call for the landsmeet to happen

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 05 février 2010 - 05:28 .

[TheMadCat]

Came out different than what I was implying, sorry about that. What I meant was that was pretty much their biggest impact on your personal and overall story where as Alistair and Morrigan went well beyond that. This is why I look at them more as minor characters despite the option to romance them, you have these two who are just straight shots that really tail off at the end of the game when it should be their time to shine and then the other two who got a lot more story and detail worked into them in every aspect.
 
That's not to say I find them bad characters, on the contrary Zev and Leliana were two of my favorites. What I'm trying to say is as we left our heroes they really had no serious impact and at the end of the day were nothing more then background love interests and if the status quo continues on through to Awakening then they become baggage on the story. I'd rather see them expand and grow these two characters and make them a vital part of the story, the question is weather or not the writers feel that is the way to go. It's going way one or the other, you don't leave characters like them lingering especially with other options avaliable because when something in the plot involving them does happen the effect becomes somewhat humdrum and as a writer that is not the feeling you want your reader/viewer to have. We'll see though, a month and change left to go.

[RangerSG]

I understand what you're trying to say TMC. But I disagree entirely. Quite frankly, I consider Leliana just as important to the development of the PC as Alistair, perhaps more so. And Leliana is important to my PCs for being someone who believes in them at the time the PC might think *no one* will. Faith is a very important thing. And to have faith expressed so powerfully in my character at that moment is invigorating.



That she has a story of her own as well that contributes to character development also strengthens her involvement. I don't think you can say they're "baggage" in any way. They're not Grey Wardens and royalty, but that doesn't make them any less integral to the party.



But I do think one or the other will be important to the story, if not your party, in Awakening, yes.

[TheMadCat]

See, to me you kind of proved my point. They were a shoulder to cry on, a smile to ease your tired soul, company on the lonely road. That was the extent of their importance, which for Origins worked out great because that was the role they were suited for and that was what your character needed most, until the end where they become uncaring bastards with nothing to say.

However I'm looking at it from an overhead perspective so to speak. Is that what will translate across to Awakening and any other content beyond that will feature the Warden? Is that the best use of their character? Is it even worth keeping them around if your story together ends at that, especially if there are other options whose characters have just as good if not better writing? This is where I use the term baggage, if they are there adding nothing to the story in the long run then they are detracting from it, which also hurts their characters as a whole making any eventual plot device involving them much less effective. There needs to be some importance, some turmoil, some grand scheme, some passion that extends beyond the bedroom. As I said I love both characters, but if being a shoulder to cry on is as far as their story and characters are going to develop over the long run then give them a touching sendoff that is befitting of their characters. 

[TheLion36]

Nirvana_Dest wrote...
Did Morrigan have her baby and is that baby the talking Dark Spawn?

I can probably answer part of that question for you, the talking Dark Spawn is (most likely) the Architect. He apparantly appears in one of the books (The Calling I believe it is called) and Bioware mentioned he would be important in Awakening.
Whether Morrigan did or did not have the baby yes is so far unknown, people have stated that it takes 9 months to carry a baby and therefore she can't have had it yet in Awakening (which I think is set 4 - 6 months after the Origin events). While that would be true for a normal baby it is my belief we don't know how long an old god child pregnancy lasts... But I do at least hope to find out some more information / rumours about Morrigan and her plans.

I'm not sure we'll see all of the old companions again but Bioware did announce there would be some cameo appearances, althought this was not just aimed at companions but also old NPC if I'm correct... I just hope they will still remember relationships etc, but considering they probably wrote large chunks Awakening while finishing Origins, I'm sure they've facilitated for this...