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[Brahlis]

Just so you know, that's a fan-made photoshop.

[Never]

WinterJedi wrote...



There, a better picture of something I found while using googlesearch. I think someone on deviantArt made it, but I could find it there to give proper credit.

I love this one.  It's got kind of a sith/zombie feel to it, but she still looks pretty.

[Jigero]

vaesapiens wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

vaesapiens wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

vaesapiens wrote...

Yeah....you made one BIG mistake.:
This one: "Quarians are mammals" ok...I can't even start what's wrong with this assumption. But I will try my best
Mammals are only native to planet earth, like reptiles, birds and basically ALL life forms from Earth are Earth-only, solo-Earthly or short Earth's. Because the genetic diversity of every life form on earth from the simple archeobacteria to us, are only native to this little blue planet, thus they can not be called mammals, we neither have the same LUCA. The phenomen that could happenned, but i really doubt it Would be something called convergency ( intersolar type: huh?) it would be plaussible to develop same organs of reproduction in this process (if this would be real, duh).

There are some medical notes, why "it" would not happen, based even only on the game itself and desribing them on public forum is well....a little bit nasty, better watch cell reproduction, much simpler, less alcohol and mood music required

Because mammals evolving on noather planet independantly is absurd, but the Asari make perfect sense.

 I have never said that. And Asari, Turians, Salarians are all absurd. And Yeah mammals evolving on another planet is not possible, too many variables, and this one little thing that mammals developed with a big luck here. Remember the meteorite? Without it, there would be no humans either, and things like this happenned to life frequently. 

The galaxy a big place to rule out any possibility of happening again is ignorance of the largest levels.
 
Also: It a game they can play with the “rules” if they want.

Yeah, one comment up
And No, it's not ignorance, it's statistics.

Satistics based on what? your personel opinion? considering mammels only took over earth recently by galatic standerds, and the fact that the universe is 100's of Billions of years old and we have confirmed there are plenty of other Earth like worlds, worlds that where once like earth. or worlds capable of life. And it's already happened in the universe once. Those statistics alone pretty much 100% guarentee, it's also happened some where else.

[WarmachineX0]

AngryTigerP wrote...


The exact quote was:

The other one that was interesting was Tali. Tali is kind of an
alternative character, she's an alien, she's mysterious, [you] can't
really see what she looks like. At one point I think we were
considering whether she should be a love interest in Mass Effect 1, and
I remember people saying, "no, people [aren't] gonna wanna have a
romance with a girl with chicken feet." But, chicken feet didn't really
bother  anyone. There was a lot of interest in Tali as a love
interest, and Garrus as well. It's kind of a testament to how strong
the individual acting ending up being, that people ending up looking at
these alien characters that are quite different, and start to develop a
relationship with them and like them enough that they would like to see
a romance develop.

From Javier's ME2 links. http://docs.google.c...xshh_17cgz8q443 , specifically.

... I miss Javier

Anyways, I'm just saying that the bit about chicken feet seems to have just been a generalized hand-waving comment on Casey's part to indicate that their feet are distinctly inhuman, not to try to give a permanent canon definition.

Thats what it was, more or less a generized "insult" comment. Akin to calling an Asari a squid head (though calling an quarian a chicken foot is throwing the generalization even further), or simular. Had they really been made to look like chicken feet, they wouldn't have a defined midfoot or hindfoot, instead, just toes comming off the ankle and a hallux (big toe) where the heel would be. I would assume had actually made quarian feet to look like chicken feet, they would have had a smaller following. But comparing the shape, quarian feet are far more akin (90% at the least) to human then any known bird.

[WarmachineX0]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

vigna wrote...

Their abdomens also stick out more. Strange balancing act of physiology.

Are you sure about this? 

Not to be crass, but...Tali was the only female whose abdomen + armor didn't extend past her breasts in ME1. I never had en elevator scene to...inspect...in ME2, but I'd be surprised if it changed. 

It seems like an illusion to me. The chest on males do look kinda funny. But like all animals, you need a striaght line to attain balance. Putting their abds forword would throw that off, unless they had a huge butt to balance it out. Their heads are over their feet, so the balance line runs from the head to the feet, and most animators and artist know this as something almost the same, the line of action (on bipedal characters). But its prolly an illusion of their human features vs their alien feature and armor. Looking at them from a distance, they seem to stand erect and fairly straight, though the females have a curve to their spine and hips to detail their female figure.

[jimmyjoefro]

WarmachineX0 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Lol, they absolutely look like bird legs. The way the bottom legs are set so much further back resembles a bird leg, albeit in reverse. And you're in complete denial if you don't think their feet look like chicken's feet. I think I've even read where the developers have called them such.

I'm not trying to upset anyone. I'm sorry you're so defensive about this.

I'm not getting defensive about it, I just don't see it. Birds feet sit way in front of the knee, a quarian's foot sits directly below the knee, just like a human's foot. I would love to see the comment where the Dev said that, as really, I just don't see it.

Devs said she had chicken's feet... Which has nothing to do with placement of the foot, but instead the shape...

And I'm sure what ever Dev said it, could prolly benefit from an animal biology class. Even the arveage forum goer can google and see that the structures has nothing in common. Just because he's a Dev, doesn't actually mean he knows the differance between feet, or that he even works on the models.

Dude, just get over it. Tali has chicken's feet, and that's all there is to it.  The people that created her have said she has chicken's feet for god's sake.

Modifié par jimmyjoefro, 05 février 2010 - 11:45 .

[Gunner-th]

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And I'm sure what ever Dev said it, could prolly benefit from an animal biology class. Even the arveage forum goer can google and see that the structures has nothing in common. Just because he's a Dev, doesn't actually mean he knows the differance between feet, or that he even works on the models.

[quote]Dude, just get over it. Tali has chicken's feet, and that's all there is to it.  The people that created her have said she has chicken's feet for god's sake.
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Edited to fix broken quote tags!

Saying it doesn't make it. They don't look like chicken feet or anything avian.

That's like i hold up a spoon and tell you it's a knife, because i'm telling you it's a knife doesn't mean it is.

Modifié par Gunner-th, 06 février 2010 - 02:07 .

[WarmachineX0]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Lol, they absolutely look like bird legs. The way the bottom legs are set so much further back resembles a bird leg, albeit in reverse. And you're in complete denial if you don't think their feet look like chicken's feet. I think I've even read where the developers have called them such.

I'm not trying to upset anyone. I'm sorry you're so defensive about this.

I'm not getting defensive about it, I just don't see it. Birds feet sit way in front of the knee, a quarian's foot sits directly below the knee, just like a human's foot. I would love to see the comment where the Dev said that, as really, I just don't see it.

Devs said she had chicken's feet... Which has nothing to do with placement of the foot, but instead the shape...

And I'm sure what ever Dev said it, could prolly benefit from an animal biology class. Even the arveage forum goer can google and see that the structures has nothing in common. Just because he's a Dev, doesn't actually mean he knows the differance between feet, or that he even works on the models.

Dude, just get over it. Tali has chicken's feet, and that's all there is to it.  The people that created her have said she has chicken's feet for god's sake.

Actually, reread it, it wasn't the dev that said it, he's repeating what some other people said about it. It's now to the point, you can't even provide physical evidence to support you claim of chicken feet, that you gon to miss qouting a Dev. If its a personal opinion, so be it, but in all actuality, they don't look anything alike.

Gunner-th wrote...

Saying it doesn't make it. They don't look like chicken feet or anything avian.

That's like i hold up a spoon and tell you it's a knife, because i'm telling you it's a knife doesn't mean it is.

Thats the best way of putting it.

Modifié par WarmachineX0, 06 février 2010 - 12:28 .

[enormousmoonboots]

A few things--

It is the asari barkeep on Ilium who says she knows what quarians look like under the suits. It was a comment on her aging when she notices that other asari haven't seen them.

Krogans live pretty much until someone murders them. Wrex is nearly 1400 years old ('I was born at the end of the Krogan Rebellions') and Okeer even older, as he fought in the Krogan Rebellions (so did Barkeep's parents). He'd know what quarians look like, and since his other analyses include the softness of salarians, humans, and asari, he's clearly not talking about wearing armor.

The Mass Effect series is pretty hard sci-fi, as SF goes. Didn't you read the Codex describing how krogans have characteristics of prey species? More research goes into ME than Star Trek (and I say this as a Trekkie). They don't just pull things completely out of their asses for the sake of looking cool.

I'm surprised there's no image of the face you see when you clip though her mask; the fact that the nose is brightened like the eyes seems to indicate that there's no eyeglow, they're just light-colored. The textures are like that so we make out the indication of eyes and nose.

Modifié par enormousmoonboots, 06 février 2010 - 12:38 .

[darth_lopez]

Snowraptor wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Snowraptor wrote...

the problem with this is that asari are mammals and dont have head hair, i believe quarians wont have head hair seeing only humans do, i have a good imagination of what quarians look like and this is pic looks to human, guess well have to wait for me3

Were on earth did you get Asair are mammals? Case they look humans? Asair are something but there not mammals. No mammal could just breed with any race and give the offspring of it dna, I don't even think there reptilian I really have no ****ing idea what they are there, there own species ((Thou for some reason I keep thinking plants)). Also mammals don't tend to be Asexual even thou asari aren't asexual truly all asair offspring look like and are 100% asair.

no dude, this guy said quarians are mammals, so i said asari are mammals, thier not thier aliens, and he is an idiot

Just getting back in But Quarians Are Mammals. Simply because something is Alien (Literally Meaning Foreign) Doesnt mean that its not a Mammal. The platypus was an alien organism at some point in time before it was classified as mammalian.....it is a mammal isnt it?

Anywho We've established Quarians are infact Mammals. Alien Mammals yes but mammals non the less. Remember Organic Life has no black and white just a bunch of grey spots to be sorted simply because something is alien doesn't mean it's not also something known. Example of real life that's 100% acurate: Bacteria found on other planets --Considered extraterrestrial organism-Still a type of Bacteria by science.

So the idiots in this situation would be any individuals using the logic that because it's alien it can't be fitted into any other known category(wich is a logical fallacy). Note that Salarians are considered Amphibians, Turians are considered Avian Asari are wacky something or another, and Quarians are Mammalian If you claim Quarians are not mammalian What are Turians and Salarians?? they fit known categories despite being alien.

[WarmachineX0]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

A few things--

It is the asari barkeep on Ilium who says she knows what quarians look like under the suits. It was a comment on her aging when she notices that other asari haven't seen them.

Krogans live pretty much until someone murders them. Wrex is nearly 1400 years old ('I was born at the end of the Krogan Rebellions') and Okeer even older, as he fought in the Krogan Rebellions (so did Barkeep's parents). He'd know what quarians look like, and since his other analyses include the softness of salarians, humans, and asari, he's clearly not talking about wearing armor.

The argument is to whether or not Quarian have an exo skelly. But, yes, the bar keep does say that, also, the quest in which you aid Zhu's Hope, the Asari you have to talk to says that a familiy member was on the qaurian homeworld when the geth rebeled, but that actually tells us nothing. Tali says that quarians have always had a weak immune system, thus meaning they would need enviro suits outside of their natual home world and colonies, Turian illnessess are fatal to them. Although, I would suspect Asari would be welcome though there as sceintists and such.

Now what Gunt says is a memory, from Okeer, most of which are distorted and make no sence. He fisrt stats that humans are the weakest (being able to be broken with slight finger pressure), then asari and Salarians are soft. A human should be just as tought as an Asari, and both should be tougher then a salarian.  Next, there is no dout Okeer was old enough to have seen a qaurian outside of their suits, but the questions remains, has he? That would mean Okeer, as a krogen, would likely have to be on one of their colonies, or safe ships fighting them. Quarians being a secluded and small, I seriously dout Okeer has fought them outside their suits.

Finally, the novel gives no mention of an exo skelly when describing the quarians, something that would have been a huge ommisson on list major physicial features.

In all actuallity, Okeer's memory could have just been thinking of spine strienght, and its quite possible that humans have the weakest spines, and Quarians have a tought one.

[darth_lopez]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

A few things--

It is the asari barkeep on Ilium who says she knows what quarians look like under the suits. It was a comment on her aging when she notices that other asari haven't seen them.

Krogans live pretty much until someone murders them. Wrex is nearly 1400 years old ('I was born at the end of the Krogan Rebellions') and Okeer even older, as he fought in the Krogan Rebellions (so did Barkeep's parents). He'd know what quarians look like, and since his other analyses include the softness of salarians, humans, and asari, he's clearly not talking about wearing armor.

The Mass Effect series is pretty hard sci-fi, as SF goes. Didn't you read the Codex describing how krogans have characteristics of prey species? More research goes into ME than Star Trek (and I say this as a Trekkie). They don't just pull things completely out of their asses for the sake of looking cool.

I'm surprised there's no image of the face you see when you clip though her mask; the fact that the nose is brightened like the eyes seems to indicate that there's no eyeglow, they're just light-colored. The textures are like that so we make out the indication of eyes and nose.

Very good points and we know from ascension at least that they have an EndoSkeleton. It's possible they have tougher skin wich could be a trait of Dextro-Amino based organisms as the Turians have what would appear to be pretty tough skin. Considering Turians and Quarians are the only Dextro-Amino based Sapient Organisms in ME i'd find this a highly likely conclusion.

And as far as Sci-Fi goes. ME is the most probable Sci-Fi Universe yet to be thought of. still unlikely but it has a hjigher probability than SW ST SG BG B5 ....are there any i missed that are popular and well known? oh Halo and that i think rounds up the well known SF series. They did alot of thinking on ME that is for sure.

[enormousmoonboots]

Warmachine--No, they didn't need envirosuits on their colonies. She said there was a short adjustment period where they got a bit sick, but once their immune systems got used to it they were fine.

Modifié par enormousmoonboots, 06 février 2010 - 01:20 .

[darth_lopez]

indeed she did

[Mal_Luck]

WinterJedi wrote...



There, a better picture of something I found while using googlesearch. I think someone on deviantArt made it, but I could find it there to give proper credit.

I kinda like this Tali, better than the forehead dotted Tali's I've seen in the past

[Mr_Smitt]

darth_lopez wrote...

Just getting back in But Quarians Are Mammals. Simply because something is Alien (Literally Meaning Foreign) Doesnt mean that its not a Mammal. The platypus was an alien organism at some point in time before it was classified as mammalian.....it is a mammal isnt it?

Anywho We've established Quarians are infact Mammals. Alien Mammals yes but mammals non the less. Remember Organic Life has no black and white just a bunch of grey spots to be sorted simply because something is alien doesn't mean it's not also something known. Example of real life that's 100% acurate: Bacteria found on other planets --Considered extraterrestrial organism-Still a type of Bacteria by science.

So the idiots in this situation would be any individuals using the logic that because it's alien it can't be fitted into any other known category(wich is a logical fallacy). Note that Salarians are considered Amphibians, Turians are considered Avian Asari are wacky something or another, and Quarians are Mammalian If you claim Quarians are not mammalian What are Turians and Salarians?? they fit known categories despite being alien.

The terms 'Mammal', 'Amphibian', 'Avian' as well as 'animal' and 'bacteria' are all terms used to classify life-forms within Earth's tree of life, with the first three being classes and the second two being kingdoms. Alien life-forms, originating in a seperate event of abiogenisis and being part of a different tree of life, would only be rough analogues to these, pseudo-mammals or pseudo-animals. Scientists using the term 'Bacteria' to describe alien microbes or sci-fi writers using 'mammal' or 'amphibian' is simply a way of conveying these analogues to the layman, with a considerable lack of imagination in the latter. As such, although Quarians may share noticable similarities with earth mammals, such as mammary glands , that is no reason to assume they share other features of mammals, such as body hair, as they are only rough analogues (they don't even have the same internal chemistry as earth life, for Pete's sake.)

Modifié par Mr_Smitt, 06 février 2010 - 01:32 .

[Mal_Luck]

darth_lopez wrote...
And as far as Sci-Fi goes. ME is the most probable Sci-Fi Universe yet to be thought of. still unlikely but it has a hjigher probability than SW ST SG BG B5 ....are there any i missed that are popular and well known? oh Halo and that i think rounds up the well known SF series. They did alot of thinking on ME that is for sure.

Farscape, Firefly (Although, Firefly had no aliens), and Doctor Who/Torchwood

[VettoRyouzou]

Mr_Smitt wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

Just getting back in But Quarians Are Mammals. Simply because something is Alien (Literally Meaning Foreign) Doesnt mean that its not a Mammal. The platypus was an alien organism at some point in time before it was classified as mammalian.....it is a mammal isnt it?

Anywho We've established Quarians are infact Mammals. Alien Mammals yes but mammals non the less. Remember Organic Life has no black and white just a bunch of grey spots to be sorted simply because something is alien doesn't mean it's not also something known. Example of real life that's 100% acurate: Bacteria found on other planets --Considered extraterrestrial organism-Still a type of Bacteria by science.

So the idiots in this situation would be any individuals using the logic that because it's alien it can't be fitted into any other known category(wich is a logical fallacy). Note that Salarians are considered Amphibians, Turians are considered Avian Asari are wacky something or another, and Quarians are Mammalian If you claim Quarians are not mammalian What are Turians and Salarians?? they fit known categories despite being alien.

The terms 'Mammal', 'Amphibian', 'Avian' as well as 'animal' and 'bacteria' are all terms used to classify life-forms within Earth's tree of life, with the first three being classes and the second two being kingdoms. Alien life-forms, originating in a seperate event of abiogenisis and being part of a different tree of life, would only be rough analogues to these, pseudo-mammals or pseudo-animals. Scientists using the term 'Bacteria' to describe alien microbes or sci-fi writers using 'mammal' or 'amphibian' is simply a way of conveying these analogues to the layman, with a considerable lack of imagination in the latter. As such, although Quarians may share noticable similarities with earth mammals, such as mammary glands , that is no reason to assume they share other features of mammals, such as body hair, as they are only rough analogues (they don't even have the same internal chemistry as earth life, for Pete's sake.)

This point is still rendered moot, It goes under the idea "we have no idea what aliens look like", The fact is all the races already borrow HEAVLY from what known Krogans look like turtles funny enough Turtles have one of the longest life spans on earth and golly jee Krogans have one of the longest life spans in the galaxy. Hannar look like jelly fish and to quote Thane are magically "Graceful in water" much like are jelly fish. Drell are based of desert lizard funny enough Thane love dry areas. This game was made on EARTH the writers are HUMAN there going to put things they know into the game, There is no ryhme or reason to say " earth logic doesn't apply here!" When it already does!

[Mr_Smitt]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

This point is still rendered moot, It goes under the idea "we have no idea what aliens look like", The fact is all the races already borrow HEAVLY from what known Krogans look like turtles funny enough Turtles have one of the longest life spans on earth and golly jee Krogans have one of the longest life spans in the galaxy. Hannar look like jelly fish and to quote Thane are magically "Graceful in water" much like are jelly fish. Drell are based of desert lizard funny enough Thane love dry areas. This game was made on EARTH the writers are HUMAN there going to put things they know into the game, There is no ryhme or reason to say " earth logic doesn't apply here!" When it already does!

The devs unoriginality so far does not mean that they won't throw in some more alien features if/when they reveal the Quarians - they already have hands and limbs different from humans, who's to say they don't have a humanoid face but Predator-style dreadlocks? Or hell, look at the Asari. You are operating under the assumption that just because the devs have drawn on earth life for inspiration before doesn't mean that they won't throw in some originality in the future, and as already noted, the Quarians already have some alien features.

[caynes]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

That concept art was probably of Tali. She looks ugly.

ummm... told you so, miranda is better lmao

[VettoRyouzou]

Mr_Smitt wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

This point is still rendered moot, It goes under the idea "we have no idea what aliens look like", The fact is all the races already borrow HEAVLY from what known Krogans look like turtles funny enough Turtles have one of the longest life spans on earth and golly jee Krogans have one of the longest life spans in the galaxy. Hannar look like jelly fish and to quote Thane are magically "Graceful in water" much like are jelly fish. Drell are based of desert lizard funny enough Thane love dry areas. This game was made on EARTH the writers are HUMAN there going to put things they know into the game, There is no ryhme or reason to say " earth logic doesn't apply here!" When it already does!

The devs unoriginality so far does not mean that they won't throw in some more alien features if/when they reveal the Quarians - they already have hands and limbs different from humans, who's to say they don't have a humanoid face but Predator-style dreadlocks? Or hell, look at the Asari. You are operating under the assumption that just because the devs have drawn on earth life for inspiration before doesn't mean that they won't throw in some originality in the future, and as already noted, the Quarians already have some alien features.

1. We already know Quarians don't have Predator like face dreadlocks maybe face no they got a human face.
2. They have mammary glands that is a key MAMMAL trait you can sit there and stick your finger on your ears screaming /"LALALALALALA" all you want it mammal trait.
3. So just case they have aliens limbs the rest has to be some off the wall odd creature? Boy glad your not god even tuirans in there massive differences still have a human like style down to the fact they have jaws they can feel they have a nose.


To sum it up were you say were pushing to much for them to have human trait you are pushing to much for them to be alien your pretty much sitting on the opposite side. As they can have just as much of alien trait they have just as many human ones to. Yes there arms and legs are not like are, but there face is human and they have mammary glands. This can go ether way, Your point not more valid then others.

Edit: On a note Dogs are mammals there limbs are nothing like ares does that mean there not mammals?

Modifié par VettoRyouzou, 06 février 2010 - 02:04 .

[Mr_Smitt]

[quote]VettoRyouzou wrote...

1. We already know Quarians don't have Predator like face dreadlocks maybe face no they got a human face.[/quote]

Prove it.

[quote]2. They have mammary glands that is a key MAMMAL trait you can sit there and stick your finger on your ears screaming /"LALALALALALA" all you want it mammal trait.[/quote]

It is ONE trait of an earth mammal.

[quote]3. So just case they have aliens limbs the rest has to be some off the wall odd creature? Boy glad your not god even tuirans in there massive differences still have a human like style down to the fact they have jaws they can feel they have a nose.[/quote]

I said they could be, not that they have to be. You have provided no proof that the Quarians woun't be given something alien and non-mammilian under that helmet.

[/quote]

Modifié par Mr_Smitt, 06 février 2010 - 02:10 .

[VettoRyouzou]

[quote]Mr_Smitt wrote...

[quote]VettoRyouzou wrote...

1. We already know Quarians don't have Predator like face dreadlocks maybe face no they got a human face.[/quote]

Prove it.

[quote]2. They have mammary glands that is a key MAMMAL trait you can sit there and stick your finger on your ears screaming /"LALALALALALA" all you want it mammal trait.[/quote]

It is ONE trait of an earth mammal.

[quote]3. So just case they have aliens limbs the rest has to be some off the wall odd creature? Boy glad your not god even tuirans in there massive differences still have a human like style down to the fact they have jaws they can feel they have a nose.[/quote]

I said they could be, not that they have to be. You have provided no proof that the Quarians woun't be given something alien and non-mammilian under that helmet.

[/quote]
[/quote]

Prove it? Ok lemme see.

Quarians have an endoskeleton, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids and tear-ducts. (Ascension p. 235)

Also mix in we CAN see threw Tali visor And easily see were everything is I think that proof enough of a human face there bud.

You wanted proof there is ((Udina quote!)).

[Mr_Smitt]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Prove it? Ok lemme see.

Quarians have an endoskeleton, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids and tear-ducts. (Ascension p. 235)

Also mix in we CAN see threw Tali visor And easily see were everything is I think that proof enough of a human face there bud.

You wanted proof there is ((Udina quote!)).

Well I didn't know about that book quote, I haven't read it.

Doesn't disprove Predator dreadlocks though

[Brahlis]

caynes wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

That concept art was probably of Tali. She looks ugly.

ummm... told you so, miranda is better lmao

That's not concept art. It's a fan rendering.