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[VettoRyouzou]

My question is this: Why does everyone think quarians have to be reptilian? Isn't the fact most of the other races are reptile like enough a good point we need more mammal like creatures?

I mean really

Drell= Desert Lizard
Tuirian= Raptors
Krogan = Turtles ((I... think)).
So what
Quarian = All 3 case we need more?

Modifié par VettoRyouzou, 05 février 2010 - 03:06 .

[Lukertin]

Hipolymerase wrote...
Regarding luminous eyes - I think they're quite possible. There are deep-sea fishes with luminous eyes (not reflective, like those of cats, but genuinely luminous).

No, those fish have bacteria deposits below their eyes that are chemoluminescent.  The eye itself is not.

[Lukertin]

VettoRyouzou wrote...
Drell= Desert Lizard
Tuirian= Raptors
Krogan = Turtles ((I... think)).
So what
Quarian = All 3 case we need more?

You forgot:
Hanar = Big stupid jellyfish

[VettoRyouzou]

Lukertin wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...
Drell= Desert Lizard
Tuirian= Raptors
Krogan = Turtles ((I... think)).
So what
Quarian = All 3 case we need more?

You forgot:
Hanar = Big stupid jellyfish

While true but really Hannar and Asari ((mabye elcor to.. I really have no ****ing idea what a elcor is)) are really it the rest are reptilian in nature and style.

[Lukertin]

elcor is an elephant

[VettoRyouzou]

Lukertin wrote...

elcor is an elephant

More like a elephant money whale.. thing.

[WarmachineX0]

Hipolymerase wrote...

I don't think Grunt was referring to their enviro-suits when he said quarians were not as soft as humans. If he was, then presumably he was referring also to armored asari, humans, and salarians? And I, at least, would say the armor we've seen for them so far looks thicker and tougher than quarian suits. Further, he leads into this discussion by describing how far he had to stick his finger into a human to break the spine - presumably he didn't mean he could poke a finger through armor, but just through human/asari/salarian flesh. Then turians would require some effort with a blade, while quarians are somewhere in between. If he was referring to the armored forms of all of these creatures, presumably they'd all be pretty tough.

I suppose it could go either way, but I like to think they have some kind of armor.

Well, you have to take other things in consideration with that, human military is small compared to the civilian and militia population, even then, not all alliance soldiers have access to the the armor. In contrast, every quarian waers a Eviro suit, and all Asari are natural biotics. Though, I;m not sure about salarians. So Okeer would have more likely never seen a Quarian out side of their suit.

[Homebound]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...
Drell= Desert Lizard
Tuirian= Raptors
Krogan = Turtles ((I... think)).
So what
Quarian = All 3 case we need more?

You forgot:
Hanar = Big stupid jellyfish

While true but really Hannar and Asari ((mabye elcor to.. I really have no ****ing idea what a elcor is)) are really it the rest are reptilian in nature and style.

I thought the Quarians would be some sort of rock people like Shale in DAO, except less bulky.  Quarians = Quarry = rocks.

[Hipolymerase]

Lukertin wrote...

Hipolymerase wrote...
Regarding luminous eyes - I think they're quite possible. There are deep-sea fishes with luminous eyes (not reflective, like those of cats, but genuinely luminous).

No, those fish have bacteria deposits below their eyes that are chemoluminescent.  The eye itself is not.

I stand corrected.  I apologize.  While I admit that weakens the case for glowing eyes, I still see little reason why the luminescent organ could not be contained within the eye itself, even if such a case doesn't exist on Earth.  I suppose there is some risk that light generation in the eye could interfere with vision, though if the luminescence released was a different wavelength than what was being picked up by the eye's receptors, it wouldn't be a problem, methinks.  (Though, the light coming from Tali's eyes looks to be white, so it may be a real inconvenience if what we call the visible spectrum can't be used in quarian vision).  (Though again, no reason why perfectly functional vision couldn't be based on light outside of what we call the visible spectrum).

[VettoRyouzou]

Just_mike wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...
Drell= Desert Lizard
Tuirian= Raptors
Krogan = Turtles ((I... think)).
So what
Quarian = All 3 case we need more?

You forgot:
Hanar = Big stupid jellyfish

While true but really Hannar and Asari ((mabye elcor to.. I really have no ****ing idea what a elcor is)) are really it the rest are reptilian in nature and style.

I thought the Quarians would be some sort of rock people like Shale in DAO, except less bulky.  Quarians = Quarry = rocks.

1. That one of the dumbest logic I've herd.
2. We already got that look up Turian biology.

[Hipolymerase]

WarmachineX0 wrote...
Well, you have to take other things in consideration with that, human military is small compared to the civilian and militia population, even then, not all alliance soldiers have access to the the armor. In contrast, every quarian waers a Eviro suit, and all Asari are natural biotics. Though, I;m not sure about salarians. So Okeer would have more likely never seen a Quarian out side of their suit.

A good point, to be sure.  Still, do quarian suits look sturdier than the clothes worn by humans/asari/salarians?  Maybe a little, but quarian suits (notably on their backs, presumably the relevant place when talking of spine breaking) are hardly armor.

I think it is reasonable to assume he's either talking about all four of the races in a combat-relevant sense (that is, armored - presumably a great many of the humans/salarians/asari that Okeer has fought have been armored) or about none of them in an armored state, and simply rating their hardiness.  I think either interpretation makes sense. Because I doubt stabbing fingers down into spines is really part of the krogan battle strategy, however, I think the better interpretation is that Okeer's statement was hypothetical, about the constitutions of the species themselves.  An unarmored human is softer than an unarmored quarian is softer than an unarmored turian - though he might not ever fight any of these species unarmored, it still matters - presumably an armored human is less durable than an armored quarian is less durable than an armored turian.

'Sides, with the long krogan lifespan (if I recall correctly Wrex is like 1300+ years old) and Wrex calling Okeer 'a very old name' (again, if I recall correctly) it seems plausible that he could have tangled with quarians prior to their war with the geth, and hence out of their suits.

[VettoRyouzou]

I leave it to this.. We can't use what grunt said as fact there way to many variables that could lean ether way.

[Hipolymerase]

Probably fair. Still, we're hardly going to arrive at the 'correct' appearance at all - I doubt Bioware knows what quarians look like. So, if we're gonna make something up, it's kinda fun to use clues in the game to guide our speculations.

[Nayt Navare]

Garuda One wrote...

mobomelter wrote...

Garuda One wrote...

Relinquished2 wrote...

I believe that Tali would have a cute, skinny face. Light purple skin and dark purple freckless under her eyes and on her nose. oh and medium-long black hair.

You mean this?

I said human. Not elf.

This is an elf.

No, that's HAWT!! And I like that tali pic.

[VettoRyouzou]

Hipolymerase wrote...

Probably fair. Still, we're hardly going to arrive at the 'correct' appearance at all - I doubt Bioware knows what quarians look like. So, if we're gonna make something up, it's kinda fun to use clues in the game to guide our speculations.

While true but we do have some bare fact they do indeed have lips, eyes, ears, nose, and tear ducts, but they do NOT have visible ears most likely like most races a small hole in the head some were around were are ears be.

[Jared_704]

Garuda One wrote...

Relinquished2 wrote...

I believe that Tali would have a cute, skinny face. Light purple skin and dark purple freckless under her eyes and on her nose. oh and medium-long black hair.

You mean this?

Teen TItans Go!

[Nayt Navare]

Lmaoboat wrote...

TrueRedemption wrote...

This post has about as much science as Mythbusters... applaud the effort but in reality the amount of credibility is only slightly better than an old wives tale, a far cry from science. This is not me releasing frustration with Tali fans (I really like Tali's character) nor do I hate mythbusters (enjoy it a lot actually), but calling this science was something I felt obligated to clear up.

Some of the fundamental assumptions you make to determine traits are actually opposite of science, if applicable at all. For example your arguments regarding hair color and melanin are opposite of scientific logic. In order for evolution to occur in a species, there must be selective pressure for a certain mutation. Consider two male rabbits, one that can breathe water and one that can't. Imagine all the female rabbits are on an island in water deep enough to drown a rabbit. In this situation, the rabbit that can breathe water will be able to mate, but the other male rabbit won't. This will cause only water breathing rabbit children to be born because only that male passed on his genes. Consider the same rabbits, but this time the male and female rabbits are in a field with no water deep enough to drown in anywhere near by. In this situation both males will breed and the off spring will be just as much water breathing as not. This means there was no change in the % of each type of rabbit. How this applies to the Quarians is simple, there is no selection against melanin on the flotilla, therefore skin color would not change from what it used to be. Likewise because of the suits, the preference for certain hair colors is lost, meaning all hair colors are passed on equally. Since humans select for preferred hair color, we likely have less hair color diversity than the Quarians (if they have hair).

Secondly, mammal is a taxonomic term developed strictly to classify various forms of life based strictly on what exists on earth. The updated theory of taxonomy is based on the concept that all life diverged from a single common ancestor through genetic mutation, aka evolution. Taking note of the dextro amino acids (which just means their amino acids are bent a the opposite direction), it is clear that Quarians and Humans could not have evolved from a common ancestor. This would suggest that independently occurring development of life on each home planet, which makes sense, bacteria from one planet didn't space travel over to the other before sentient life evolved. Because of this independent development of life, the classification of mammal not only cannot apply to Quarians, there is zero reason to believe Earth mammal traits would collectively evolve convergently. So conclusions about having hair, being warm blooded, or any other mammal trait not expressly stated about Quarians is invalid.

Light emitting eyes is also incorrect, I won't bother getting into the actual science of how vision works and why light emitting eyes would not see anything, but to prove my point go shine a flashlight in your cat or dogs eyes in a dark room. They will "light up" just the same as a Quarian's. I would suggest your seeing this same reflection in Quarian eyes, caused either by a particular morphology unique to their eyes or reflection similar to dog eyes caused in part by refraction due to their visors.

Essentially the only evolution that will change how Quarians look since the time prior to suits are a result of increased fertility or mutations which improve adolescent survivability. Fertility is unlikely because they have laws limiting the number of offspring allowed. Only adolescent survivability is important because after that point they can reproduce and pass on their genes. However, improved immune systems and body control (tiny selective pressure to avoid accidents that would puncture the suit) are the pressures on adolescent children in the migrant fleet, but neither of these would alter physical appearance.

class dismissed.

-TrueRedemption

When you use more science in analyizing the aliens than the people who wrote them did, you've already lost. Has it occured to you that they might have glowing eyes because somebody thought it would look cool?

ding, winner!!!

[The Quarian Sympathizer]

/science



As we understand evolution, creatures evolve based on adaptation. When a creature evolves it develops physical traits that are needed for its survival. With this in mind, I never understood why quarians have inverted legs but no tail or tail-like structure to help them maintain balance.

I suppose Bioware has some rhyme or reason. That or they forgot to think about that or didn't care to implement it. Tails are hard to model.

[VettoRyouzou]

The Quarian Sympathizer wrote...

/science



As we understand evolution, creatures evolve based on adaptation. When a creature evolves it develops physical traits that are needed for its survival. With this in mind, I never understood why quarians have inverted legs but no tail or tail-like structure to help them maintain balance.

I suppose Bioware has some rhyme or reason. That or they forgot to think about that or didn't care to implement it. Tails are hard to model.

Same reason why Salarains can stand without a tail to =p

[WarmachineX0]

Hipolymerase wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...
Well, you have to take other things in consideration with that, human military is small compared to the civilian and militia population, even then, not all alliance soldiers have access to the the armor. In contrast, every quarian waers a Eviro suit, and all Asari are natural biotics. Though, I;m not sure about salarians. So Okeer would have more likely never seen a Quarian out side of their suit.

A good point, to be sure.  Still, do quarian suits look sturdier than the clothes worn by humans/asari/salarians?  Maybe a little, but quarian suits (notably on their backs, presumably the relevant place when talking of spine breaking) are hardly armor.

Not gonna qoute the whole thing for simplisities sake. though, I'm not sure about Salarians, all Asari are natuaral biotics giving them a form of armor, and giving them a huge adavantage over even the basic human soldier.

As for Okeer being older then quarians needing eviro suits, not possible. Quarians have always needed Eviro suits, as per a convo with Tali ingame, their immune systems have always been weak, and with the exception of their home world and a few coloneis can still get fataly ill, as well as being able to catch turian illnesses that are extreamly fatal to a quarian. Their time on the sterile ships have made their systems weaker, but they have always been weak.

And, as to the sturdiness of their suist, the majority of Quarians are minors (as per codex), that would lead one to think that specific areas of the suit would be fortified. Though, I can only speculate, this is just being based off of basic reson and logic.

[tsd16]

Does bioware release mod tools for ME? Would be interesting if bioware actually modelled a face and a seperate helmet, or if it is all one model. I would venture to guess just judging by what you can see, if there is a face model it is extremely undetailed to get the eye, nose, mouth appearance through the mask, with out cleary showing any recognizeable features.

[Lukertin]

The Quarian Sympathizer wrote...
When a creature evolves it develops physical traits that are needed for its survival.

That's not evolution.
You impute an intelligence to the process where there is none.

Modifié par Lukertin, 05 février 2010 - 03:37 .

[darth_lopez]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...



Grunt was refering to the spieces in combat. So, without a dout, he was refering to them in their suits, as I seriously dout Okeer has ever fought an unsuited quarian. Who knows, Okeer may have never fought anything other then a battle hardened migraint marine. And it was a fairly odd statment, as it seems everyone else in the galaxy finds them fragile. And, didn't he actually gernerize that humans where the most fraile species, not the salarians?

The Quarians have only been suited for 300 years, and Okeer was very old. He could have easily fought unsuited Quarians. And he said, "humans, salarians, asari, all soft" he didn't say any one was softer than the others.

Krogan have a 300 year life span keep that noted.

Edit: or so i remember Ingame refrences '~' can't find info in wiki

Modifié par darth_lopez, 05 février 2010 - 03:43 .

[Hipolymerase]

WarmachineX0 wrote...
As for Okeer being older then quarians needing eviro suits, not possible. Quarians have always needed Eviro suits, as per a convo with Tali ingame, their immune systems have always been weak, and with the exception of their home world and a few coloneis can still get fataly ill, as well as being able to catch turian illnesses that are extreamly fatal to a quarian. Their time on the sterile ships have made their systems weaker, but they have always been weak.

I do recall that she said their immune systems had always been weak, but did she say they had previously been so weak as to necessitate enviro-suits offworld?  If she does, I stand corrected, but I don't think that need be assumed.

[darth_lopez]

inregards to Evolution

Quarians have an endoskeleton, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids and tear-ducts. (Ascension p. 235) Females have mammary glands. Quarians may have evolved along similar lines as Earth's higher primates, much as Australia's koalas developed like Africa's leaf-eating prosimians: a phenomenon called convergent evolution.

Wiki says evolutionary patterns are known i'd suggest we trust the wiki and move on with life. Chances are their faces highly resemble ours.