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[VettoRyouzou]

Hipolymerase wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...
As for Okeer being older then quarians needing eviro suits, not possible. Quarians have always needed Eviro suits, as per a convo with Tali ingame, their immune systems have always been weak, and with the exception of their home world and a few coloneis can still get fataly ill, as well as being able to catch turian illnesses that are extreamly fatal to a quarian. Their time on the sterile ships have made their systems weaker, but they have always been weak.

I do recall that she said their immune systems had always been weak, but did she say they had previously been so weak as to necessitate enviro-suits offworld?  If she does, I stand corrected, but I don't think that need be assumed.

Honestly ones again.. it could be or not she did say on planet they inhabited some one just get ill for a bit then be fine later on but we don't know if they tend to aim for planets with lower virus count then normal.

Bioware made it a point to keep thing as vague as possible.

[tsd16]

Lukertin wrote...

The Quarian Sympathizer wrote...
When a creature evolves it develops physical traits that are needed for its survival.

That's not evolution.
You impute an intelligence to the process where there is none.

correct, peoples misunderstanding of evolution amazes me.  Its acidental genetic mutation that just happens to be useful in its current environment, just like genetic mutations may occur that are not beneficial to the current environment and in fact impede survivability.

Said creature that developed a trait that gave it an advantage over its competion survives and reproduces as do other members of its species that happened to develop the same trait.  Eventually, they will out compete members of its own species that lack the trait, and only members of the species with the trait will survive.  there was no concious decision on the cellular level that said hey!  I need "insert trait here" to survive better.   Its simply a genetic accident that happened to work out for a benefit.

[darth_lopez]

Hipolymerase wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...
As for Okeer being older then quarians needing eviro suits, not possible. Quarians have always needed Eviro suits, as per a convo with Tali ingame, their immune systems have always been weak, and with the exception of their home world and a few coloneis can still get fataly ill, as well as being able to catch turian illnesses that are extreamly fatal to a quarian. Their time on the sterile ships have made their systems weaker, but they have always been weak.

I do recall that she said their immune systems had always been weak, but did she say they had previously been so weak as to necessitate enviro-suits offworld?  If she does, I stand corrected, but I don't think that need be assumed.

i would think the envirosuits just become common place, are you going to run about on a ricketty ship with no protection against the vaccuum of space even shepard wears full armor aboard (but he waers that everywhere but normandy). I don't see why they couldn't remove the suits on the flotilla though it makes little sense.


Edit: missed the question
She says that there was a short period of illness for colonial quarians as they adapted to the environment

Modifié par darth_lopez, 05 février 2010 - 03:51 .

[The Quarian Sympathizer]

Hipolymerase wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...
As for Okeer being older then quarians needing eviro suits, not possible. Quarians have always needed Eviro suits, as per a convo with Tali ingame, their immune systems have always been weak, and with the exception of their home world and a few coloneis can still get fataly ill, as well as being able to catch turian illnesses that are extreamly fatal to a quarian. Their time on the sterile ships have made their systems weaker, but they have always been weak.

I do recall that she said their immune systems had always been weak, but did she say they had previously been so weak as to necessitate enviro-suits offworld?  If she does, I stand corrected, but I don't think that need be assumed.

Uh I'm pretty sure in one of Tali's Journal Entries on her recruit mission she states that her ancestors walked those halls with their helmets off. Or something to the effect.

[Ronin Zakath]

darth_lopez wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...

Grunt was refering to the spieces in combat. So, without a dout, he was refering to them in their suits, as I seriously dout Okeer has ever fought an unsuited quarian. Who knows, Okeer may have never fought anything other then a battle hardened migraint marine. And it was a fairly odd statment, as it seems everyone else in the galaxy finds them fragile. And, didn't he actually gernerize that humans where the most fraile species, not the salarians?

The Quarians have only been suited for 300 years, and Okeer was very old. He could have easily fought unsuited Quarians. And he said, "humans, salarians, asari, all soft" he didn't say any one was softer than the others.

Krogan have a 300 year life span keep that noted.

Edit: or so i remember Ingame refrences '~' can't find info in wiki

WAT

Krogans live longer than Asari.  Wrex is at least 1400 years old.

Okeer was a veteran of the Krogan Rebellions so yes, he was alive before the Quarians were exiled.

[WarmachineX0]

Hipolymerase wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...
As for Okeer being older then quarians needing eviro suits, not possible. Quarians have always needed Eviro suits, as per a convo with Tali ingame, their immune systems have always been weak, and with the exception of their home world and a few coloneis can still get fataly ill, as well as being able to catch turian illnesses that are extreamly fatal to a quarian. Their time on the sterile ships have made their systems weaker, but they have always been weak.

I do recall that she said their immune systems had always been weak, but did she say they had previously been so weak as to necessitate enviro-suits offworld?  If she does, I stand corrected, but I don't think that need be assumed.

She doesn't go as far as to say they wore them, but she does say that tariun illnesses are fatale to them, and that even colonizing new worlds safe to them even made them sick, logic leads to belive that a eviro suit would bee needed as they where a council race along with turians at that time.

NM, gonna have to see if I can find the krogan life span.

Modifié par WarmachineX0, 05 février 2010 - 03:51 .

[Lord Atlia]

The true question now is whether geth flashlight heads were designed to resemble quarian glow eyes?

[darth_lopez]

Ronin Zakath wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...

Grunt was refering to the spieces in combat. So, without a dout, he was refering to them in their suits, as I seriously dout Okeer has ever fought an unsuited quarian. Who knows, Okeer may have never fought anything other then a battle hardened migraint marine. And it was a fairly odd statment, as it seems everyone else in the galaxy finds them fragile. And, didn't he actually gernerize that humans where the most fraile species, not the salarians?

The Quarians have only been suited for 300 years, and Okeer was very old. He could have easily fought unsuited Quarians. And he said, "humans, salarians, asari, all soft" he didn't say any one was softer than the others.

Krogan have a 300 year life span keep that noted.

Edit: or so i remember Ingame refrences '~' can't find info in wiki

WAT

Krogans live longer than Asari.  Wrex is at least 1400 years old.

Okeer was a veteran of the Krogan Rebellions so yes, he was alive before the Quarians were exiled.

i'd have sworn 300 years their life span.

[VettoRyouzou]

darth_lopez wrote...

Ronin Zakath wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...

Grunt was refering to the spieces in combat. So, without a dout, he was refering to them in their suits, as I seriously dout Okeer has ever fought an unsuited quarian. Who knows, Okeer may have never fought anything other then a battle hardened migraint marine. And it was a fairly odd statment, as it seems everyone else in the galaxy finds them fragile. And, didn't he actually gernerize that humans where the most fraile species, not the salarians?

The Quarians have only been suited for 300 years, and Okeer was very old. He could have easily fought unsuited Quarians. And he said, "humans, salarians, asari, all soft" he didn't say any one was softer than the others.

Krogan have a 300 year life span keep that noted.

Edit: or so i remember Ingame refrences '~' can't find info in wiki

WAT

Krogans live longer than Asari.  Wrex is at least 1400 years old.

Okeer was a veteran of the Krogan Rebellions so yes, he was alive before the Quarians were exiled.

i'd have sworn 300 years their life span.

Nope he right Krogans live as long if not longer then asair.

[darth_lopez]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

Ronin Zakath wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...

Grunt was refering to the spieces in combat. So, without a dout, he was refering to them in their suits, as I seriously dout Okeer has ever fought an unsuited quarian. Who knows, Okeer may have never fought anything other then a battle hardened migraint marine. And it was a fairly odd statment, as it seems everyone else in the galaxy finds them fragile. And, didn't he actually gernerize that humans where the most fraile species, not the salarians?

The Quarians have only been suited for 300 years, and Okeer was very old. He could have easily fought unsuited Quarians. And he said, "humans, salarians, asari, all soft" he didn't say any one was softer than the others.

Krogan have a 300 year life span keep that noted.

Edit: or so i remember Ingame refrences '~' can't find info in wiki

WAT

Krogans live longer than Asari.  Wrex is at least 1400 years old.

Okeer was a veteran of the Krogan Rebellions so yes, he was alive before the Quarians were exiled.

i'd have sworn 300 years their life span.

Nope he right Krogans live as long if not longer then asair.

well at least i'm correct about Quarian Evolution being closely related to Human evolution. and them not having an Exo skeleton and being related on the most basic scale to the Turians.

[WarmachineX0]

darth_lopez wrote...

well at least i'm correct about Quarian Evolution being closely related to Human evolution. and them not having an Exo skeleton and being related on the most basic scale to the Turians.

Well, I'd also assume no exo skelly because it was left out in the explanation in the novel. It would seem that "no ears",  "a endo skeleten" and other bio traits, the data would warrent noteing an exo skelly. 

Edited to cut down on lenght.

Modifié par WarmachineX0, 05 février 2010 - 04:03 .

[darth_lopez]

WarmachineX0 wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...


well at least i'm correct about Quarian Evolution being closely related to Human evolution. and them not having an Exo skeleton and being related on the most basic scale to the Turians.

Well, I'd also assume no exo skelly because it was left out in the explanation in the novel. It would seem that "no eare" and "a endo skeleten", the data would warrent noting an exo skelly. 

this is what you refer to then? the same thing i've basically been spamming everytime i see the words evolution?

Quarians have an endoskeleton, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids and tear-ducts. (Ascension p. 235)

found it on the wiki that is but the first clause of it

[Ronin Zakath]

A quarian face is similar to that of a human or asari (as described in Ascension), plus breasts. Arms and legs are similar to that of the turians. Thumb and two fingers, two toes.



The only real mystery is what is on top of a quarian's head. Hair? Scales?



As a side note, humans are the hairiest of known sapient species.

[VettoRyouzou]

Ronin Zakath wrote...

A quarian face is similar to that of a human or asari (as described in Ascension), plus breasts. Arms and legs are similar to that of the turians. Thumb and two fingers, two toes.

The only real mystery is what is on top of a quarian's head. Hair? Scales?

As a side note, humans are the hairiest of known sapient species.

I'm voting hair to, Really I don't think humans be the only species with Fur/Hair so why not make Quirians the other.

[jkruse05]

What I don't get is why being on the Flotilla led to reduced immune systems. Wouldn't those ships be supporting an atmosphere as much like their homeworld as possible? Not to mention all the plants growing all over, which are also likely from their homeworld. If they have adaptive immune systems wouldn't they have adapted to the ship environment? It all just seems so backwards. Can anyone out there explain this better than I understand it?

[Big_Lunk]

Maybe the glow of the eyes is actualy just a reflection from something inside the helmet. There seemed to be a few flashy bits in there, and some kind of one-way HUD.
Just throwing that in there.

[darth_lopez]

jkruse05 wrote...

What I don't get is why being on the Flotilla led to reduced immune systems. Wouldn't those ships be supporting an atmosphere as much like their homeworld as possible? Not to mention all the plants growing all over, which are also likely from their homeworld. If they have adaptive immune systems wouldn't they have adapted to the ship environment? It all just seems so backwards. Can anyone out there explain this better than I understand it?

I'd guess it would be because of the state of the ships idk though just speculation. 300 year old ships tend to get dangeroussly ricketty incomparrison to the normandy. And there are the other ships that have been purchased from non-quarian Shipyards.

[WarmachineX0]

jkruse05 wrote...

What I don't get is why being on the Flotilla led to reduced immune systems. Wouldn't those ships be supporting an atmosphere as much like their homeworld as possible? Not to mention all the plants growing all over, which are also likely from their homeworld. If they have adaptive immune systems wouldn't they have adapted to the ship environment? It all just seems so backwards. Can anyone out there explain this better than I understand it?

Well, they always have had weak immune systems. But to sepeculate, as the flotilla got larger, they had to incorperate other, salavaged, bought, and derilict crafts have been added to the fleet. Some of these could still carry germs and such that could be hostile. To further the idea, they don't have a large amount of medication to support an out braek, such as the one that killed talli's mother when the a ships filtration's systems went down. For the most part, to reduce the amount of medication needed ot support the population, they have all taken to wearing their enviro suits 100% of the time on the flotilla.  Not being able to adapt to the the artificial enviroment on the ships due to the suits have weakened their immune systems even more, at this point it would cost too many lives and medication to attempt a mass adaption to the artificial enviroment.

[AngryTigerP]

WarmachineX0 wrote...

jkruse05 wrote...

What I don't get is why being on the Flotilla led to reduced immune systems. Wouldn't those ships be supporting an atmosphere as much like their homeworld as possible? Not to mention all the plants growing all over, which are also likely from their homeworld. If they have adaptive immune systems wouldn't they have adapted to the ship environment? It all just seems so backwards. Can anyone out there explain this better than I understand it?

Well, they always have had weak immune systems. But to sepeculate, as the flotilla got larger, they had to incorperate other, salavaged, bought, and derilict crafts have been added to the fleet. Some of these could still carry germs and such that could be hostile. To further the idea, they don't have a large amount of medication to support an out braek, such as the one that killed talli's mother when the a ships filtration's systems went down. For the most part, to reduce the amount of medication needed ot support the population, they have all taken to wearing their enviro suits 100% of the time on the flotilla.  Not being able to adapt to the the artificial enviroment on the ships due to the suits have weakened their immune systems even more, at this point it would cost too many lives and medication to attempt a mass adaption to the artificial enviroment.

They were also worried about things like hull breaches (said example being the exact stated reason), in which case it was safer to just have everyone in a self-contained environment anyway.

[Kolaris8472]

jkruse05 wrote...

What I don't get is why being on the Flotilla led to reduced immune systems. Wouldn't those ships be supporting an atmosphere as much like their homeworld as possible? Not to mention all the plants growing all over, which are also likely from their homeworld. If they have adaptive immune systems wouldn't they have adapted to the ship environment? It all just seems so backwards. Can anyone out there explain this better than I understand it?

It would be like the gullible naive country bumpkin going into the big city. They'd be trying to adapt to things that are wholly harmful, it would not be beneficial. 

That adaptive immune system is not an advantage off their homeworld. 

[jkruse05]

So basically they could have stuck it out when they started the Flotilla and had high casualties, but have a chance at adapting, or save as many people as possible and be stuck in enviro-suits for an indeterminable amount of time. Tough choice.

[ShadyKat]

relhart wrote...

Why exactly do people think she would be attractive physically? She's spent her entire life in a suit, if Quarians have hair, it's probobly all tangled and filthy and nappy, her skin and teeth are not even poorly cared for, they are most likely completely neglected and disgusting. The best you could hope for is average looking by human standards.

The way Shepard reacts when he takes off her helmet. He looks ok with what is uner the mask.

[WarmachineX0]

AngryTigerP wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...

jkruse05 wrote...

What I don't get is why being on the Flotilla led to reduced immune systems. Wouldn't those ships be supporting an atmosphere as much like their homeworld as possible? Not to mention all the plants growing all over, which are also likely from their homeworld. If they have adaptive immune systems wouldn't they have adapted to the ship environment? It all just seems so backwards. Can anyone out there explain this better than I understand it?

Well, they always have had weak immune systems. But to sepeculate, as the flotilla got larger, they had to incorperate other, salavaged, bought, and derilict crafts have been added to the fleet. Some of these could still carry germs and such that could be hostile. To further the idea, they don't have a large amount of medication to support an out braek, such as the one that killed talli's mother when the a ships filtration's systems went down. For the most part, to reduce the amount of medication needed ot support the population, they have all taken to wearing their enviro suits 100% of the time on the flotilla.  Not being able to adapt to the the artificial enviroment on the ships due to the suits have weakened their immune systems even more, at this point it would cost too many lives and medication to attempt a mass adaption to the artificial enviroment.

They were also worried about things like hull breaches (said example being the exact stated reason), in which case it was safer to just have everyone in a self-contained environment anyway.

I would assume that would become a benifite, as opposed to a nesseity at first. It would eventually be another good reson to just stay in the suit, because I'm sure in the begining they didn't start off as junk, 300 years can change that.

[Brehus07]

Here is what Tali looks like

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Brehus07, 05 février 2010 - 04:45 .

[VettoRyouzou]

ShadyKat wrote...

relhart wrote...

Why exactly do people think she would be attractive physically? She's spent her entire life in a suit, if Quarians have hair, it's probobly all tangled and filthy and nappy, her skin and teeth are not even poorly cared for, they are most likely completely neglected and disgusting. The best you could hope for is average looking by human standards.

The way Shepard reacts when he takes off her helmet. He looks ok with what is uner the mask.

While I really want to say that a good point some issues with that.

1. Your shep could love her for who she is.
2. Screaming "OMFG GOT THE **** IS THAT!" out load while next to some one in bed is a good way to lose loyailty.