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[SikamikanicoLi]

 Does anyone know how much paragon/renegade you need to gain Jack's loyalty after her scuffle with Miranda? After the 'Subject Zero' loyalty mission I didn't have enough charm/intimidate to keep them both loyal and I sided with Miranda, who was already loyal. I went down to speak to Jack and there were charm and intimidate options, but I couldn't unlock them. Before the suicide mission I had my paragon meter in the top 'sector', but I still couldn't charm her into being loyal again. She ended up getting effed up by the seeker swarm... 

So... maybe I'm overlooking something, but shouldn't I have been able to charm her back again? 

[SikamikanicoLi]

Sorry to bump but I would really like to know this. These forums are fast. lol

[Aynslie]

Yea had this problem but I lost loyalty with Miranda because I sided with Jack during the fight. I have yet to charm Miranda back I'm thinking we need full paragon/renegade to do it. The option is there so I'm sure it can be done.

[NatOreN]

Unless it's a major bug I'm experiencing, you'll need full renegade/paragon to make Jack/Miranda loyal again. I was only a few points away from full paragon on my last playthrough and STILL couldn't persuade Jack! Makes paragade playthroughs with full party loyalty pretty much impossible, no?

[Kaosu Haze]

I'm almost certain it's bugged.

Full Paragon: Could convince Legion&Tali to work together, but not Miranda&Jack.

[BHRamsay]

I had no problems with my Femshep so it might be a just a male Shep problem ... I have noticed that the game will punish you if you have not fully committed to either the paragon or Renegade pathway.

*edit*

I just checked the strat guide and it mentions the maxed renegade or paragon points needed to keep every one happy. As I recall, by the time I got to this particular conflict I had pretty high paragon point but I had also maxed the combat mastery skill set....this grants bonuses to, among other things, paragon/ renegade choices.

Modifié par BHRamsay, 05 février 2010 - 12:21 .

[Aisynia]

BHRamsay wrote...

I had no problems with my Femshep so it might be a just a male Shep problem ... I have noticed that the game will punish you if you have not fully committed to either the paragon or Renegade pathway.

Which is highly lame. I figure being relatively neutral and riding the fine line would give you sort of an "impartial observor" bonus, but I suppose that's too much to ask for.

[davidshooter]

BHRamsay wrote...

I had no problems with my Femshep so it might be a just a male Shep problem ... I have noticed that the game will punish you if you have not fully committed to either the paragon or Renegade pathway.

I'm playing a Fem Shep and I can't get Jack's loyalty back (and I've almost got a full Paragon bar) so it's not that.  I have been making some renegade choices as well so perhaps that's it.  I've read a lot of people's posts on this and I have yet to read of someone who sided with Miranda who was able to make Jack loyal again after the fight.

I wonder what happens if you do Jack's quest first and then side with her, before you've done Miranda's quest,  and then do Miranda's loyalty quest to get her loyal - maybe the timing of the fight changes.

What does the guide say is necessary?  I seem to recall several people who claim to have had full paragon bars who were still not getting the grayed out options to light up when talking to Jack after the fight. 

Modifié par davidshooter, 05 février 2010 - 12:32 .

[Blackout 2021]

Bullcrap. On my first playthrough when I got to the fight I renegade persauded the fight to stop without losing loyalty for either. I was maybe 60 paragon and 75 renegade maybe less than that and I stopped the fight. I don't know why everyone is having problems with this whole thing.

[davidshooter]

There seem to be two paragon issues, and I would like to know the answer if anybody knows.

1. during the argument, how much paragon is necessary to get the paragon option highlighted?

2. If you choose Miranda during the fight, how much paragon is necessary to get the option highlighted after the fact?

It's the second that seems to be bugged since some people have already claimed that 100% still doesn't do it.  I'm closing in on 100 paragon myself and I'm not getting the option highlighted.

Anybody know anything?

Modifié par davidshooter, 05 février 2010 - 01:41 .

[sliverofamoon]

I wish I knew.... having this problem, myself. *sighs* Anyone have some advice on this? Please?

Modifié par sliverofamoon, 05 février 2010 - 01:58 .

[sliverofamoon]

bump

[wako58]

I imported a character that was uber-paragon and I didn't have any problem getting the paragon option. I did do Miranda's loyalty quest before I did Jack's. I'm starting a new playthrough without an imported character so it'd be nice to know what trigger, or any, there is.

[ERJAK2]

Saivar wrote...

Unless it's a major bug I'm experiencing, you'll need full renegade/paragon to make Jack/Miranda loyal again. I was only a few points away from full paragon on my last playthrough and STILL couldn't persuade Jack! Makes paragade playthroughs with full party loyalty pretty much impossible, no?

It's not just full paragon/renegade, you also need to have the level 4 class skill with the 100% bonus to charm/intimidate.

[NatOreN]

ERJAK2 wrote...
It's not just full paragon/renegade, you also need to have the level 4 class skill with the 100% bonus to charm/intimidate.

Wait, so if a soldier character wanted to get full party loyalty, he'd have to choose the Shocktrooper evolution? Not all 4th class skills offer 100% charm/intimidate bonus, so I hope you just meant the bonus in general and not the particular percentage.

[phalen78]

im not full paragon - and i charmed jack back to be loyal. told her it was lip service. not sure what my percentage was atm - but i had one 'block' left on my paragon bar if that makes sense. i'm also halfway renegade (i have a split personality)



also imported a lv 56 femshep that was 100% paragon.

[PatrickBatemanV]

I wonder if your backstory has anything to do with it. My ME1 import femShep had the butcher of Torfan backstory but a paragon ending, imported that chracter into ME2, had full paragon and still couldn't get the charm option. Started a scratch game of ME2 with the default male Shepard, with the sole survivor backstory, and got the charm options.

[Divine Flame]

Well even if you don't get Jack loyal if you side with Miranda. Just don't use Jack for anything important cause she's not loyal and she probably would still live.

Modifié par Divine Flame, 05 février 2010 - 03:03 .

[PatrickBatemanV]

Well, I finished the game and kept everyone alive without doing Miranda's loyalty quest and thus avoiding the catfight, but her loyalty quest is still dangling in the air and it annoys me.

[Lady Inferno]

I'm in the same situation, sadly. I don't want to lose Jack, even though my first playthrough with my "real" female Shepard everyone survived.



I had the renegade option to stop the fight but I sided with Miranda because I need the romance achievement. I'm wondering if SPOILERS SPOILERS



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if you send Jack to escort the doctor on the collector ship instead of Mordin, if she'll still live and Mordin will die? Or will it eff it all up? Has anyone tried this?

[Onyx Jaguar]

If Jack is not loyal she will die on the escort, Mordin, if loyal will live unless you take out the heavies at the hold the line segment.

[Christmas Ape]

I've been lead to believe the requirements for keeping both loyal scale by level.

[Sajuro]

Christmas Ape wrote...

I've been lead to believe the requirements for keeping both loyal scale by level.

They scale to how long you have been able to do it (How many possible Paragon/renegade points you can have up to this point)

[Pacifien]

If Jack is unloyal but you want her to live through the suicide mission, don't use her as an escort and don't take her with you to the final battle. Also, leave Grunt, Zaeed, and Garrus behind to hold the line. Anything to help increase the defense score -- it doesn't matter how many unloyal squadmates you leave on the defense so long as your defense score passes the check. If it doesn't pass the check, squadmates start dying starting with the unloyal.



Also, if you had the renegade option (as in the red dialogue choice) to stop the fight, you could have used it and still continued with Miranda's romance. The only time you can't continue with the romance is if specifically choose to side with Jack, even if you regain Miranda's loyalty again after the fight.

[jwalker]

I think the renegade option has a lower requirement to regain Jack's loyalty.

Thing is, if you have enough to do that, you should have being able to defuse the fight in the first place.

Try rebuilding your Shepard and evolve the passive ability class that gives 100% renegade/paragon bonus (Sentinel: Guardian, Vanguard: Champion... )

That happened to me in my first playthrough. I took Miranda's side and never could win back Jack's. She ended up dying in the suicide mission.

Modifié par jwalker, 31 mai 2010 - 03:09 .