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[Ibby1kanobi]

P.S. To answer the original question, I would probably save Earth. Reiterated again, its millions verse billions....plus, to be honest, no other race has really done anything for Humanity or Shepard. I'm 100% paragon and hate the Ceberus/Humanity is better than all other races stuff. But, I wouldn't sacrifice my homeplanet and billions of lives for those who haven't done anything worthy of such a sacrifice.



Plus, to quote the words of the Council: "Those on the council are expected to help themselves, as well as those who seek our help." So, let the Turians, Ansari, and Salarians stop whatevers coming for the Citedal. It's about time they do something useful.

[Giantevilhead]

pelhikano wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

Since the Citadel controls all the mass relays, destroying it might shut down all the relays. That would pretty much end interstellar travel.

But you travel inter-system from star to star anyway though with the Normandy. The mass relays just make travelling very large distances much faster.

Given the choice, I would choose Earth any time. The billions of humans on it ARE humanity.

But relay travel has allowed every species to expand much farther. A lot of space stations and colonies will become pretty much inaccessable without the relays. In the end, you could have billions of people dying because they can't get the supplies they need to survive. Omega, for example, will probably eventually die without relay travel.

[Gabey5]

13 million on citadel.... billions on earth

[Alexandus]

AngryTigerP wrote...

We've got a Terra Firma partygoer, ladies and gentlemen.

Let all the aliens die, if it means Earth lives! Makes sense.

Actually, I would characterize myself as falling into more of the Cerberus category. Terra Firma would use government to promote humanity, and that isn't very efficient at all, historically speaking. Cerberus correctly uses private sector interests and operations to promote humanity.

As for the Citadel aliens dying, as numerous people have already posted here, there's millions on the citadel. There's BILLIONS on Earth. So yes, numerically speaking, it does make sense.


And if the Citadel falling disables the Mass Relays, I say so be it. It'll force the galaxy into developing it's own tech, much healthier in the long run imo.

[gamergamergamer]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I think whether you're Paragon or Renegade you'd save Earth. Not really a choice. Renegade favors his own kind. Paragon picks earth because its the higher population.

yeah saving the homeworld of your species is only a good thing if the other place has less people right

[Collider]

It's not really a black and white issue. Earth has more people on it. At the same time, the Citadel has the galactic council and government. Either way you lose. You either value the Citadel government or you value human life/more people. People would criticize you for both.

[pelhikano]

Giantevilhead wrote...

pelhikano wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

Since the Citadel controls all the mass relays, destroying it might shut down all the relays. That would pretty much end interstellar travel.

But you travel inter-system from star to star anyway though with the Normandy. The mass relays just make travelling very large distances much faster.

Given the choice, I would choose Earth any time. The billions of humans on it ARE humanity.

But relay travel has allowed every species to expand much farther. A lot of space stations and colonies will become pretty much inaccessable without the relays. In the end, you could have billions of people dying because they can't get the supplies they need to survive. Omega, for example, will probably eventually die without relay travel.

Let it. It's a relatively tiny station compared to an entire planet full of people. Even if it means that galactic travel is severely hampered (it wouldn't stop totally because you can and do travel inter-system even with that little shuttle if I remember right), destroying an entire inhabited planet, and EARTH at that, is completely out of the question.

[Sabre120]

You destroy Earth, Humanity as a race collapses to the level of what Krogan and Drell are, reliant on other species with little or no chance of recovery, + the fact Earth has about 15 billion people compared to 15 million on the Citadel. Though like you say if the Citadel goes then the Mass Relays shutdown and the entire galaxy has no chance of survival, the Reapers will just pick off the isolated pockets of resistance with no trouble, a tricky question...

[RequiemValorum]

I might be tempted to lose earth.



In ME earth is pretty much a backwater of civilization, still with much intra-national in fighting and areas that are still at 20th century levels of life.



It is not even home to the Systems Alliance.



Humanity has many populations of other planets, no where near as many as on earth (which is succumbing to overpopulation at 11 billion people) but the species will survive.



As long as humanity still has Arcturus station then we will still have the systems alliance (though they may have to find alternate funding).



I would also argue that it might increase our standing in the galactic community, as we would be seen to be willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for the greater good.



If the citadel is destroyed there is a good chance that the mass relays will stop working also, stranding every race and colony and forcing them to fend for themselves which as a galactic whole would be a negative and a huge back step in evolution.



With that being said I think that there is a distinct possibility that the mass relays may be damaging the galaxy with all the issues raised about dark matter effecting stars and forcing their increased aging.



Combining that with the fact that people like legion consider using another races technology to advance your own is only taking 'one path to the truth' and the illium bartender talking about being laughed off Thessia for suggesting the construction of council built relays it wouldn't surprise me if we come up with an alternate mode of transport to the mass relays by the end of ME3

[Kurinshin]

It's a dilemma, but one easily solved I think.



The Citadel is Reaper technology- And a point made through both games is that a species dependent on foreign technology develops along the lines that the owner of that technology desires.

Letting the Citadel be destroyed would be a large blow to intergalactic politics, but would ultimately make the allied races stronger. Together, a new intergalactic hub could be created- forging the path ahead for ourselves. Not to mention getting rid of the immediate Reaper threat (as immediate as 50,000 years is anyway).

[Abirn]

AngryTigerP wrote...

We've got a Terra Firma partygoer, ladies and gentlemen.

Let all the aliens die, if it means Earth lives! Makes sense.

For me its less to do with being "Earth first" and more to do with.  Well the counsil decided to bury their heads in the sand and call me crazy, damn straight they can rot.

[Chris42042]

I think the Citadel should be destroyed regardless. It is a main focal point for the reapers to travel. If you remember in ME1, the Citadel was a key factor in the Reapers wiping out all organics in the universe. It should be destroyed.



One thing every other generation of organics getting wiped out had in common, was the Citadel. They all had the Citadel. The Citadel is millions of years old. It should be destroyed nonetheless.

[Anthropophobic]

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

Anthropophobic wrote...

As a long-time resident of Earth, I would sacrifice it for the Citadel. The Citadel is just so much more interesting, and Earth is ugly and boring and stupid. The sooner I get off this planet, the better.

Heh. You're gonna be here till the day you die....


P.S. To answer the original question, I would probably save Earth. Reiterated again, its millions verse billions....plus, to be honest, no other race has really done anything for Humanity or Shepard. I'm 100% paragon and hate the Ceberus/Humanity is better than all other races stuff. But, I wouldn't sacrifice my homeplanet and billions of lives for those who haven't done anything worthy of such a sacrifice.

Plus, to quote the words of the Council: "Those on the council are expected to help themselves, as well as those who seek our help." So, let the Turians, Ansari, and Salarians stop whatevers coming for the Citedal. It's about time they do something useful.

That's what sucks. I want to go out into space and visit other planets full of alien species who speak English and have two legs, two arms, and two eyes.

[Giantevilhead]

pelhikano wrote...
Let it. It's a relatively tiny station compared to an entire planet full of people. Even if it means that galactic travel is severely hampered (it wouldn't stop totally because you can and do travel inter-system even with that little shuttle if I remember right), destroying an entire inhabited planet, and EARTH at that, is completely out of the question.

Omega is just an example. There will be tons of colonies, space stations, not to mention fleets of ships, both human and alien, that will likely die. In the end, the death toll due to loss of the relay system may be several times the population of earth.

Inter system travel is possible with FTL but it can only travel at a few hundred times the speed of light.

[Monglor]

Earth would be easier to replace than the Citadel and humans breed fast. The Citadel is a one-in-the-universe asset that could never be replaced. The human population as well, easy. History is littered with examples of devastating plagues and massive wars, but humanity bounces back harder every time. Blow up the Earth and provided there are other planets to colonise the human race would explode in population.

[Kurinshin]

The Mass Relays aren't directly connected to the Citadel. The Citadel was created by the reapers for the purpose of other species being able to discover the mass relays- the place itself is a giant Mass Relay.

Besides, Protheans on Ilos were able to create a functioning miniature Mass Relay that wasn't controlled by the Citadel- I doubt the others are.

[marshalleck]

I'd blow up the Citadel. The Council had plenty of warning that it should relocate the center of galactic government and they foolishly chose not to. I'd sacrifice the Citadel before I'd let any garden world be destroyed.

[Conway044]

Of course. As the Citadel is a massive trap that the Reapers use to destroy the galactic government every 50,000 years it seems a no brainer to me. The Consort is leaving the citadel, Anderson betrayed me and everyone except the C-sec captain was an ass the last time I visited.

[pelhikano]

Giantevilhead wrote...
Omega is just an example. There will be tons of colonies, space stations, not to mention fleets of ships, both human and alien, that will likely die. In the end, the death toll due to loss of the relay system may be several times the population of earth.

Inter system travel is possible with FTL but it can only travel at a few hundred times the speed of light.

Unless I misunderstood the scope of the human diaspora out of Earth there are far less than 11 billion humans outside Earth, or not? And who says every single one of those people not on Earth die when the relays fail? They are all still there, ships can reach them and deliver provisions, while to "destroy Earth" I assume it was meant either the biosphere is destroyed or the entire planet just turns into dust so that nobody there survives. Certain death for billions of people outweighs uncertain death for, probably, much less than a couple billion.

[Adamski_707]

i would look at it this way. I dont care what race you are but more lives would be lost if earth got destroyed. I say let a space station burn over the home planet of a species for one simple reason minimising casulties.



Its sort of the moraly right choice that seems like a dick move sort of thing but its what i would do.

[ace1221]

i would pick earth to save. but now i pose to you a different choice. what if you have to chose between the citadel and Pallaven? or the Asari homeworld. or the salarian homeworld? who would you pick?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Obviously destroy the citadel and let Earth live.

[Aynslie]

No hesitation I would destroy the Citadel if I even THOUGHT the Earth was in peril. I'm slightly more attached to the Earth than the Citadel. Just me.

[marshalleck]

ace1221 wrote...

i would pick earth to save. but now i pose to you a different choice. what if you have to chose between the citadel and Pallaven? or the Asari homeworld. or the salarian homeworld? who would you pick?

The Citadel every time. It should have been abandoned and all government records stripped as of the conclusion of ME1. It's a trap. Blow it up and good riddance.

[Northern Sun]

12 million lives on the Citadel vs. 12 billion lives on Earth.

The species doesn't matter to me, Earth is what I would consider the logical choice.