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[Abirn]

ace1221 wrote...

i would pick earth to save. but now i pose to you a different choice. what if you have to chose between the citadel and Pallaven? or the Asari homeworld. or the salarian homeworld? who would you pick?

Anything except the citadel,  Who knows perhaps those species might stand up and aid me anyway.  The council sealed their own fate with their arrogance.

[Mallissin]

Paragon: Try to save both and fail.

Paragade: Save Earth.

Renagon: Save Citadel.

Renagade: Ram Citadel into Earth.

[GenericPlayer2]

Where does it say that the mass relays would not work without the Citadel? I thought that the Citadel was just a trojan horse relay that could bring in the Reapers from far away. They could use it to control the mass relays everywhere, but its destruction, to my knowledge, wouldn't shut down the relays. The humans activated and used mass relays that were not in use before they encountered Turians.



As for the choice, it depends. If Earth is occupied and can be liberated, I might save the citadel. However my experience in the ME universe is that I cannot rely on alien fleets to get anything done, so I doubt they would help me liberate Earth. If its a choice between the destruction of Earth or the destruction of the Citadel, its no contest, let the Citadel burn.

[fogofeternity]

Depends on the overall situation.



If you're looking at outright defeating the Reapers, then you keep the Citadel and destroy Earth. Otherwise you deny the galaxy access to the mass relay system, isolating all the various systems and potentially causing multiple billions of deaths, as well as setting the galaxy back technologically by centuries.



If you're just looking at forcing the Reapers back, then you destroy the Citadel so they can never use it as they intended to.

[marshalleck]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

Where does it say that the mass relays would not work without the Citadel?

It doesn't say it anywhere. People are just making that up.

[Kurinshin]

Mallissin wrote...
Renagade: Ram Citadel into Earth.

I lolled.

[Virginian]

If you sacrifice the Citadel, no one species is permanently destroyed militarily, politically, moralely, etc.

If you sacrifice Earth you can kiss humanity good bye, they be the next batarians.

Screw the Citadel.

[Giantevilhead]

pelhikano wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...
Omega is just an example. There will be tons of colonies, space stations, not to mention fleets of ships, both human and alien, that will likely die. In the end, the death toll due to loss of the relay system may be several times the population of earth.

Inter system travel is possible with FTL but it can only travel at a few hundred times the speed of light.

Unless I misunderstood the scope of the human diaspora out of Earth there are far less than 11 billion humans outside Earth, or not? And who says every single one of those people not on Earth die when the relays fail? They are all still there, ships can reach them and deliver provisions, while to "destroy Earth" I assume it was meant either the biosphere is destroyed or the entire planet just turns into dust so that nobody there survives. Certain death for billions of people outweighs uncertain death for, probably, much less than a couple billion.

Did you see how far apart the relays are? They're thousands of light years away from each other. It would take decades, if not centuries for ships to go from one relay to another by FTL.

Why would people on earth die when the relays fail? People on colonies, space stations, and ships rely on supplies from planets with sufficient infrastructure to survive. Earth has no such problem unless they completely mined out the planet and they depend entirely on imports to sustain the population.

As for certain death vs. uncertain death, that depends on the probability and the number of people involved. If you had to choose between one person dying with 100% certainty or ten people each with 50% chance of dying which would you choose? Logically, you can save more people if you pick the 100% chance of one person dying. However, if pick the ten people each with 50% chance of dying, there's a an extremely small chance that they'll all survive, but at the same time, there's also a chance that they'll all die. Will you go with the certainty that one person will die or are you willing to take a chance that the 10 people will all survive with the caveat that more than one person will likely die?

marshalleck wrote...

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

Where does it say that the mass relays would not work without the Citadel?

It doesn't say it anywhere. People are just making that up.

It's called speculation.

Modifié par Giantevilhead, 05 février 2010 - 01:24 .

[statesman1114]

I say, have it be a final battle sort of deal. No choice at all, you fight a gigantic battle to save both at once. Maybe have smaller Human-Reaper hybrids as the new ground enemy force, they take control of the Citadel, and jam it through some secret relay. Retcon the lore into finding out that the Protheans built the Reapers, and that most life in the galaxy was either created by, overseen by, or modified by the Protheans. When you defeat the final boss, you can either save most of Earth's Population or Most of the Citadels population when a ward breaks off. It could be saved, but radiation from it will kill everyone in Africa, or you can implode the ward with some nuke-like bomb. BAM, there it is!

[Kurinshin]

Mass Relays are individual units. If we're speculating now, I'd say logic dictates that in order for one hub to be responsible for the maintenance and control of several hundred/thousand Relays that span the universe- it would have to be much larger than the Citadel, which is simply a giant Relay.

[Shady314]

I would let the Citadel be destroyed to save anyone's homeworld. There are a lot of people on the Citadel but not the billions a homeworld would contain.

[lltoon]

Citadel destroyed: Council dies, good riddance



Earth destroyed: Titan A.E.

[Giantevilhead]

Kurinshin wrote...

Mass Relays are individual units. If we're speculating now, I'd say logic dictates that in order for one hub to be responsible for the maintenance and control of several hundred/thousand Relays that span the universe- it would have to be much larger than the Citadel, which is simply a giant Relay.

It's stated in ME1 that the Citadel controls all the mass relays in the Milky Way. When the Reapers invade, they use the Citadel to shut down all the mass relays to cut off all inter-stellar travel in the galaxy so they can systematically wipe out the galaxy without meeting much organized resistance. Since the Citadel has that kind of control over the relays, it would be reasonable to assume that destroying it would shut down all the relays.

[Jared_704]

This isn't a hard decison for me. I would sacrifice Earth to save the citadel. Humanity would lose it's council position because they wouldn't be able to deal with it any longer but I imagine other races would really appreciate it. As a spectre my shepard answers to the council anyway. It just seems like racism(or whatever you want to call it) to sacrifice the citadel over earth. The citadel is necessary for galactic stability imo. Earth not so much. and what if Tali is on the citadel when it blows up?!

[lltoon]

Kurinshin wrote...

 I'd say logic dictates that in order for one hub to be responsible for the maintenance and control of several hundred/thousand Relays that span the universe- it would have to be much larger than the Citadel, which is simply a giant Relay.

[marshalleck]

Giantevilhead wrote...

It's stated in ME1 that the Citadel controls all the mass relays in the Milky Way. When the Reapers invade, they use the Citadel to shut down all the mass relays to cut off all inter-stellar travel in the galaxy so they can systematically wipe out the galaxy without meeting much organized resistance. Since the Citadel has that kind of control over the relays, it would be reasonable to assume that destroying it would shut down all the relays.

No it isn't, and no they don't. Sovereign had deactivated the relay network before it arrived at the Citadel at the end of the game, which is why the Alliance Fifth Fleet was waiting at the Arcturus station.

[Biometry]

If I destroyed the citadel, the Sun would destroy the Earth for me in some later years, so it would be a lose lose option. So I would pick the Earth to be destroyed. 

Modifié par Biometry, 05 février 2010 - 01:39 .

[Delsch]

Meh, hope such a choice won't come up. If you save Earth, all the other races will be furious because you picked humans. Heck, if the turian in the council goes all touchy cause Shepard saved a HUMAN colony, I'd not want to know what he'd think of saving Earth. (Even though he'd probably be dead in the remains of the citadel)

But at the same time Earth has SO many more people on it. And it's an actual planet. Not some floating... huge... space station. And I usually pick whatever has most civilians on it, so yeah... I'd probably pick Earth,

However if losting the citadel *would* cripple the entire mass relay system and make it near impossible, or very hard for species to reach each other or others, or even colonies... I'd maybe sacrifice Earth.

Gee, I don't ever want to see that decision. >.>

[pacer90]

Jared_704 wrote...

This isn't a hard decison for me. I would sacrifice Earth to save the citadel. Humanity would lose it's council position because they wouldn't be able to deal with it any longer but I imagine other races would really appreciate it. As a spectre my shepard answers to the council anyway. It just seems like racism(or whatever you want to call it) to sacrifice the citadel over earth. The citadel is necessary for galactic stability imo. Earth not so much. and what if Tali is on the citadel when it blows up?!

****.

[pacer90]

Biometry wrote...

If I destroyed the citadel, the Sun would destroy the Earth for me in some later years, so it would be a lose lose option. So I would pick the Earth to be destroyed. 

about 30 million years later.

[pacer90]

RARRRr first double post ever.

Modifié par pacer90, 05 février 2010 - 01:43 .

[fogofeternity]

Kurinshin wrote...

Mass Relays are individual units. If we're speculating now, I'd say logic dictates that in order for one hub to be responsible for the maintenance and control of several hundred/thousand Relays that span the universe- it would have to be much larger than the Citadel, which is simply a giant Relay.

But it's already confirmed that the Citadel does control the mass relay network. At least in the sense that the Reapers can use it to actively turn off access to all the other mass relays.

[Kurinshin]

Giantevilhead wrote...

Kurinshin wrote...

Mass Relays are individual units. If we're speculating now, I'd say logic dictates that in order for one hub to be responsible for the maintenance and control of several hundred/thousand Relays that span the universe- it would have to be much larger than the Citadel, which is simply a giant Relay.

It's stated in ME1 that the Citadel controls all the mass relays in the Milky Way. When the Reapers invade, they use the Citadel to shut down all the mass relays to cut off all inter-stellar travel in the galaxy so they can systematically wipe out the galaxy without meeting much organized resistance. Since the Citadel has that kind of control over the relays, it would be reasonable to assume that destroying it would shut down all the relays.

Even then, you have the Ilos relay, which was independent from the Citadel. I imagine the relays could be modified to utilize the Prothean tech. :/

Edit:

Giantevilhead wrote...


No it isn't, and no they
don't. Sovereign had deactivated the relay network before it arrived at
the Citadel at the end of the game, which is why the Alliance Fifth
Fleet was waiting at the Arcturus station.

Modifié par Kurinshin, 05 février 2010 - 01:46 .

[pacer90]

Biometry wrote...

If I destroyed the citadel, the Sun would destroy the Earth for me in some later years, so it would be a lose lose option. So I would pick the Earth to be destroyed. 

about 30 million years later.

[Peer of the Empire]

Of course.  What kind of question is this