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[Ferocious7]

I have both the Geth and Collector's Assault rifles (the Collector's AR came with the CE to be clear)... but from what I've read the only Sniper rifle worth anything is the Widow.... but is there anywhere for me to find the Widow?  I'm playing as a Vanguard on Insanity.. only have a few loyalty missions left (did the hard ones first, or so what I was told were the hardest ones).... and need 3 more recruits... already got Tali and her side quest.

Which from experience of those who use assault rifles/sniper rifles is the best... or is the claymore shotgun that good... I don't like the 1 ammo clip too much, I think it could be useful at some points, but so could my upgraded shotgun.

Or is there another way to obtain the Widow sniper.... when I go to choose sniper training it does not give me the Widow, unless it's random?  Any experience or opinions are welcome.

[Shady314]

The way that point works depends on your class.

You can gain a NEW weapon or upgrade a weapon you currently possess but there is no upgrade for pistols or SMGs.



So if you can use assault rifles (soldier only) you can upgrade to the LMG. If you can use Snipers you can upgrade to the Widow. As a Vanguard you will be able to get a new weapon or upgrade your shotgun.

[lbo54]

i think you get the widow sniper on the collector's ship if u can already use the sniper

[Aggressor01]

If im not making a mistake, then i believe i found my Widow on the derelict ship were you first encounter Legion. However, i could be wrong, i only just started my second playthrough.

[Ackillez]

You find the weapon pile on the derelict collector ship, not the derelict reaper where Legion is. And this happens only once, so as a Vanguard you won't be able to use the widow even if you pick sniper rifles. Maybe if you pick snipers and start a new game+ with the same characters you will be able to obtain the widow, I don't know honestly.

In any case, soldiers and (especially) infiltrators have a great advantage over everyone else when it comes to sniping because of their bullet-time powers. I'm not sure I'd pick sniper rifles as bonus weapon for any other class; maybe I just suck with sniper rifles though.

Modifié par Ackillez, 05 février 2010 - 01:44 .

[Ferocious7]

Well I am a Vanguard.. I just don't really want the upgraded shotgun being it only fires once then reload... the one I am using is at least as good given the clip and it's upgrades... I have a nice smg from Tali's recruit mission and a nice pistol as well as 7 heavy weapons so far... (two were from DLC, the flamethrower from Zaeed's Loyalty Quest and the Blackstorm Projector which is pretty useful however the ammo is ehhh making me usually take the Collector's Beam with me because with it's high capacity for ammo and damage it deals with all of that ammo, it seems to work fine on Insanity IF I feel it's a good time to break it out).

So I am debating on choosing between the Assault Rifle training or the Sniper Rifle training.. keep in mind unless there's another way to obtain the Widow sniper rifle other than having a class that has built in sniper training from the start) as in a store to buy it or another place to find it later in the game, I'd have to use one of the other sniper rifles. How useful are they? The collector's assault rifle from the collector's edition and the geth pulse rifle both seem to be top of the line assault rifles..... so I'm debating which to choose out of the two trainings although I'm leaning towards Assault Rifle training.

Modifié par Ferocious7, 05 février 2010 - 01:44 .

[ERJAK2]

Ferocious7 wrote...

Well I am a Vanguard.. I just don't really want the upgraded shotgun being it only fires once then reload... the one I am using is at least as good given the clip and it's upgrades... I have a nice smg from Tali's recruit mission and a nice pistol as well as 7 heavy weapons so far... (two were from DLC, the flamethrower from Zaeed's Loyalty Quest and the Blackstorm Projector which is pretty useful however the ammo is ehhh making me usually take the Collector's Beam with me because with it's high capacity for ammo and damage it deals with all of that ammo, it seems to work fine on Insanity IF I feel it's a good time to break it out).

So I am debating on choosing between the Assault Rifle training or the Sniper Rifle training.. keep in mind unless there's another way to obtain the Widow sniper rifle other than having a class that has built in sniper training from the start) as in a store to buy it or another place to find it later in the game, I'd have to use one of the other sniper rifles. How useful are they? The collector's assault rifle from the collector's edition and the geth pulse rifle both seem to be top of the line assault rifles..... so I'm debating which to choose out of the two trainings although I'm leaning towards Assault Rifle training.

 Go with snipers, they're awesome first of all, second of all if you have the SMG all you're doing is replaceing a fast shooting gun with a slightly better one. The Sniper fills a completely different role.

[Khavos]

Ferocious7 wrote...

Well I am a Vanguard.. I just don't really want the upgraded shotgun being it only fires once then reload... the one I am using is at least as good given the clip and it's upgrades... I have a nice smg from Tali's recruit mission and a nice pistol as well as 7 heavy weapons so far... (two were from DLC, the flamethrower from Zaeed's Loyalty Quest and the Blackstorm Projector which is pretty useful however the ammo is ehhh making me usually take the Collector's Beam with me because with it's high capacity for ammo and damage it deals with all of that ammo, it seems to work fine on Insanity IF I feel it's a good time to break it out).

So I am debating on choosing between the Assault Rifle training or the Sniper Rifle training.. keep in mind unless there's another way to obtain the Widow sniper rifle other than having a class that has built in sniper training from the start) as in a store to buy it or another place to find it later in the game, I'd have to use one of the other sniper rifles. How useful are they? The collector's assault rifle from the collector's edition and the geth pulse rifle both seem to be top of the line assault rifles..... so I'm debating which to choose out of the two trainings although I'm leaning towards Assault Rifle training.

I've never used the Collector's, don't have it, but I wouldn't classify the Geth as "top of the line".  It doesn't seem more accurate than the Avenger, and as the weapon stats post showed, it's penetration is in the "very light" category, which isn't good.  The Vindicator probably wouldn't make much sense for a Vanguard, either, even though it is - in my opinion - the best assault rifle in the game, even beating out the Revenant.  It's extremely accurate, "medium" penetration, and hits very hard.  It's not much good up close, though, unless you've got bullet time of some sort, so I don't see it gelling well with Vanguard.  

[Spazticus]

Unless I'm mistaken, you can't obtain the Widow unless you can inherently use sniper rifles. As for how good it is, it's a wonderful weapon, for an Infiltrator. Cloak, snipe, then get back to cover, and you'll take down a lot of opponents. That said, even though you can't use the Widow with this particular character, go for sniper rifles. Having some long range takedown capability is very useful.

[Ackillez]

I kind of like the claymore personally, but it's dreadfully underpowered compared to the widow and revenant guns. As a soldier I'd never consider it for a second. But the combo charge+claymore+punch repeatedly tends to work well against most enemies for a vanguard; on insanity you will find you rarely have time to get off a whole lot of shotgun shells without having to duck into cover anyway. Also bear in mind that recharging guns in ME2 is p. quick; the reload time of the claymore is 1,5s, vs 0,8s refire time for the upgraded shotgun and 1,25s for the basic one, which means the claymore actually only has a bit slower ROF than the basic shotgun.

Modifié par Ackillez, 05 février 2010 - 02:42 .

[Ferocious7]

Well the thing is.. the smg is good for shields and barriers... the pistol is good for armor..... the assault rifle works well against ALL of the above.... and most of my fights aren't long distance.... I've very well versed at using Charge on Insanity.. I know how to use it and when to use it, when I'm charging (if I have time and not using it as a way out of danger.... I have my shotty equipped).

The other snipers on wikia just don't seem all that well, I just heard a lot about the Geth A/R and "how good it was" on other forums so was just going based on some opinions I've read. As for the exclusive DLC Collector's Assault Rifle.. it seems to be very, very efficient.

Thanks for all of the feedback. I think I'm going to stick with the A/R as long range far enough to justify a sniper rifle really isn't my tactics... I have mapped the powers I wanted mapped, use them accordingly and fight very swiftly while making the best use of cover.

I think the A/R could possibly be my main gun, being it is great vs every type of enemy protection, unlike other weapons.. plus I can use it at a decent range or close enough. I was reloading and trying out the snipers I have my locker (there's a weapons change out locker after that) and the snipers just don't seem to fit my class. The a/r though, just adds more bullets to my arsenal at ripping down barriers, shields, and armor.... making way for my powers to be very effective.  Not to mention the Collector's Assault Rifle that u get with the Collector's Edition seems to be the best A/R IMO after testing out all of the ones in my weapon's change-out locker.  At least for my play style.. it's highly accurate with a nice clip and reserves.  Once those shields, barriers, &/or armor come down.... my Vanguard's powers go into full effect.  Well, that's my play-style anyway.

Thanks for the input ppl!

Modifié par Ferocious7, 05 février 2010 - 02:42 .

[MA5Bergey]

The widow was my savior so many times... maybe because I was an adept and all i had was an smg and a pistol, but that thing deals damage.

[Peer of the Empire]

You will not be able to get the widow as a vanguard.



Krogan shotgun 1 shots most enemies in between melee hits on insanity.

[YooperLaw]

Just completed this level as a Sentinel on my Insanity playthrough. Picked the Assault Rifle training. Thought this level was going to be a huge pain in the ass with Harbinger ("TAKING CONTROL!" x100 = annoying), Husks, and the Praetorian. Having the Tempest SMG from Tali's recruitment quest was nice, but using the Collector Rifle against other Collectors ... accurate as hell and absolutely devastating, even on Insanity. This just got a WHOLE lot easier ...

[Omega-202]

The Vindicator AR on a Vanguard is very effective. With all 6 damage upgrades (5 from normal game, 1 from Zaeed's mission) and a maxed Assault Mastery, you can tear through most enemies with ease.



On Veteran and below, the Vindicator can easily 2-3 shot any unprotected enemy and do a world of hurt to the shielded ones. Headshots are very easy to pull off as well.



I tried the sniper on the Vanguard and saw very little appeal. Sure, it would have been useful on certain parts of Legion's loyalty mission and some parts of the final mission, but in medium and close range fights, the battle rifle is very useful.



Don't listen to those who say "you already have an SMG". Its VERY different.

[Omega-202]

MA5Bergey wrote...

The widow was my savior so many times... maybe because I was an adept and all i had was an smg and a pistol, but that thing deals damage.

You can't get the Widow as an Adept.  

You need training in the weapon before you can upgrade it and it doesn't work in NewGame+.  

This is either a lie or faulty memory on your part.  

[Ferocious7]

Yeah I wound up trying them all out and was much more impressed with the A/R... not to mention the Collector's A/R from the Collector's Edition, fully upgraded is just absolutely bad*ss. So fast, so accurate, and so powerful. Rapid fire head-shots on Insanity is full of win. =)

[SmokePants]

They've made your choice for you. Never pick the training options. Take the shotgun,

[GenericPlayer2]

Only played as Soldier and Infiltrator, this is how I approached it:



1. If you are an infiltrator, you wan the Widow SR. AR training does not help you much because there is overlap with the role of the SMG. The Widow works very nice with inherent time dilation and Assasin cloak. Its like having a second heavy weapon platform.



2. If you are a soldier, you want the Revenant. The Widow SR is nice but you don't get the time dilation that Infiltrators get.

[Stofsk]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

2. If you are a soldier, you want the Revenant. The Widow SR is nice but you don't get the time dilation that Infiltrators get.

What about adrenaline rush?

[Stragi]

these weapon restrictions suck. the lack of loot and the restrictions around guns are the only things bad about this game. every loading screen where i get the tip "find new guns to improve your squad's firepower" i literally laugh.

[Vympel1]

Revenant MG all the way. Sure the accuracy blows but its got so much ammo and combat ranges are short enough that it doesn't matter.