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[sedrikhcain]

Akinra wrote...

[When I read this, the salarian games seller in the citadel comes to mind. There's a comment he makes along the lines of how he hates people who want RPGs to be like they were in the old days, when you had to remember to drink water and you had travel for 5 hours in real time to get anywhere.

I heard that one last night! There are a lot of cool in jokes in the game. Nice to see the developers kept their sense of humor with the fate of the galaxy at stake.

[NoBrandOnMe]

ME2 is all recruiting and no story. The only people that like ME2 are people who didn't LOVE ME1. You may say you did but did you beat it over 10 times? Where is that epic feeling after beating the game? I'm not saying ME2 is a bad game because it isn't..It's just in my dead space/gears of war pile.

[NoBrandOnMe]

Taxonomical wrote...

It's 2010, who doesn't have an HDTV yet? I was a late adopter and bought mine in March of 2004. (Getting a newer 1080p HDMI one next month when my tax return comes in). How can you own a next gen 400 dollar console and not a 500 dollar tv?

LOL xbox360's are next gen consoles?  I hope I read that wrong..

[EternalWolfe]

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

ME2 is all recruiting and no story. The only people that like ME2 are people who didn't LOVE ME1. You may say you did but did you beat it over 10 times? Where is that epic feeling after beating the game? I'm not saying ME2 is a bad game because it isn't..It's just in my dead space/gears of war pile.

Yes I did beat ME1 10 times.  12 to be exact, with a different character each time.  I like ME2.  So your assumption is wrong.

The story is lacking though, I agree.  There wasn't a cohesion to the story that ME1 had, no central villain to take the spotlight, and the 'save humanity from the Collectors' didn't really have the same urgency that saving the galaxy from the Reapers had.  I'd rather have started with more of my crew already there, and maybe picked up some more along the way, but only along with good story-based missions, rather then missions who sole purpose was to get that character.

[NoBrandOnMe]

EternalWolfe wrote...

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

ME2 is all recruiting and no story. The only people that like ME2 are people who didn't LOVE ME1. You may say you did but did you beat it over 10 times? Where is that epic feeling after beating the game? I'm not saying ME2 is a bad game because it isn't..It's just in my dead space/gears of war pile.

Yes I did beat ME1 10 times.  12 to be exact, with a different character each time.  I like ME2.  So your assumption is wrong.

The story is lacking though, I agree.  There wasn't a cohesion to the story that ME1 had, no central villain to take the spotlight, and the 'save humanity from the Collectors' didn't really have the same urgency that saving the galaxy from the Reapers had.  I'd rather have started with more of my crew already there, and maybe picked up some more along the way, but only along with good story-based missions, rather then missions who sole purpose was to get that character.

I think Cerberus is alot of the problem.. I like that spectre feeling in ME1 and and the council telling you what to do. Not some mysterious guy that never leaves him room.

[sedrikhcain]

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

ME2 is all recruiting and no story. The only people that like ME2 are people who didn't LOVE ME1. You may say you did but did you beat it over 10 times? Where is that epic feeling after beating the game? I'm not saying ME2 is a bad game because it isn't..It's just in my dead space/gears of war pile.

I beat ME1 4 times and working on beating it again. I LOVED ME1. I agree that to this point (haven't finished a playthrough of ME2 yet) the story in ME1 is better but that's not to say ME2 sucks. Star Wars trilogy is a better story than the Matrix movies, IMO, that doesn't mean the Matrix story sucked.

One thing is would adjust with the story in ME2, it's really just rearranging things some: they would've done better to partition the recruiting/loyalty missions somehow so that your non-combat missions get broken up a bit. Just by chance I ended up doing almost all the heavy combat ones first, which meant I was left with all the espionage stuff (Samara, Thane, etc). I like those missions but more as a change of pace than a steady diet. This would be easily fixed by having the illusive man release the dossiers to you in "variety packs", if you will.

Minor complaint.

[TheConfidenceMan]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Hasnt Obsidian dropped the ball with enough Bioware sequals?

If by "dropped the ball" you mean "take what's good and build on it" then yes. They actually add depth to sequels rather than dumbing them down.

KOTOR2 brought in the influence system where you could turn companions to the light/dark side and even turn them into jedi, deeper characters, lightsaber combat stances, more lightsaber customization,  more classes, etc..

Who knows how much better Mass Effect 2 would've been if they made it.

Modifié par TheConfidenceMan, 06 février 2010 - 02:11 .

[NoBrandOnMe]

sedrikhcain wrote...

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

ME2 is all recruiting and no story. The only people that like ME2 are people who didn't LOVE ME1. You may say you did but did you beat it over 10 times? Where is that epic feeling after beating the game? I'm not saying ME2 is a bad game because it isn't..It's just in my dead space/gears of war pile.

I beat ME1 4 times and working on beating it again. I LOVED ME1. I agree that to this point (haven't finished a playthrough of ME2 yet) the story in ME1 is better but that's not to say ME2 sucks. Star Wars trilogy is a better story than the Matrix movies, IMO, that doesn't mean the Matrix story sucked.

One thing is would adjust with the story in ME2, it's really just rearranging things some: they would've done better to partition the recruiting/loyalty missions somehow so that your non-combat missions get broken up a bit. Just by chance I ended up doing almost all the heavy combat ones first, which meant I was left with all the espionage stuff (Samara, Thane, etc). I like those missions but more as a change of pace than a steady diet. This would be easily fixed by having the illusive man release the dossiers to you in "variety packs", if you will.

Minor complaint.

Like I said ME2 isn't a bad game.. It just isn't epic like it's predecessor.

[SithLordExarKun]

NoBrandOnMe wrote...



Like I said ME2 isn't a bad game.. It just isn't epic like it's predecessor.

I personally didn't found anything that epic when compared to the second game in the first.

[NoBrandOnMe]

TheConfidenceMan wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Hasnt Obsidian dropped the ball with enough Bioware sequals?

If by "dropped the ball" you mean "take what's good and build on it" then yes. They actually add depth to sequels rather than dumbing them down.

KOTOR2 brought in the influence system where you could turn companions to the light/dark side and even turn them into jedi, deeper characters, lightsaber combat stances, more lightsaber customization,  more classes, etc..

Who knows how much better Mass Effect 2 would've been if they made it.

I agree.. Obsidian did a wonderful job on KOTOR2 and that's how a sequel should be done.

[SithLordExarKun]

KOTOR2 was a half done game and had many flaws imo.

[sedrikhcain]

TheConfidenceMan wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Hasnt Obsidian dropped the ball with enough Bioware sequals?

If by "dropped the ball" you mean "take what's good and build on it" then yes. They actually add depth to sequels rather than dumbing them down.

KOTOR2 brought in the influence system where you could turn companions to the light/dark side and even turn them into jedi, deeper characters, lightsaber combat stances, more lightsaber customization,  more classes, etc..

Who knows how much better Mass Effect 2 would've been if they made it.

they added more replay value to KOTOR but the original playthrough experience wasn't nearly as much fun for me. Plus, the ending was just terrible. One of the worst I've ever seen.

[Darth Drago]

Yea I’ve noticed that the recruiting is a bit different but I wouldn’t say it is totally bad. I would have preferred full access from the start on who to recruit and when instead of getting a few new ones after getting the first group of recruits. I’ll have to make a full assessment of this after I finish playing the game.

On the good side I do really like the individual quests that each of your companions ask you to help them with.

-KOTOR2 from what I heard was a bit rushed out the door to meet a holiday release date. That’s why the game was flawed in a few areas like the ending and some missing content. Take out those issues and add in what they added to the game and that game was just as good if not better than the original. But this is not really related to MA2 and the topic here...

[Bootsykk]

Thanks, Bioware. Thanks a lot.

Y'all were supposed to give us a perfect game.

Y'all ought to be damned ashamed for not making it exactly what I wanted to. 



I mean, what killed it for me was that I can't romance EDI. I mean, are you f*cking kidding me? Ridiculous. Franchise ruined. Your souls will rot in hell, Bioware. And all your children should be born blind.

[Mezinger]

ME2 was a disappointment for me as well... and just for the record in ME1 you didn't have to drink water and go pee... I think the joke was more geared toward the crowd that doesn't feel a CRPG should be realtime but rather turned based and decided by dice rolls like the PNP heritage... But then again who knows maybe it is aimed at people like me who feel new features like the mission complete screens a ridiculous step backwards for the franchise.

[Mezinger]

Sorry double post.

Modifié par Mezinger, 06 février 2010 - 04:26 .

[MassEffect762]

ME2 is a good game but a disappointment overall in the grand scheme of my *dung* of an opinion.(added that for all you haters out there)

Modifié par MassEffect762, 06 février 2010 - 04:32 .

[EternalWolfe]

Juneya wrote...

Thanks, Bioware. Thanks a lot.

Y'all were supposed to give us a perfect game.

Y'all ought to be damned ashamed for not making it exactly what I wanted to. 



I mean, what killed it for me was that I can't romance EDI. I mean, are you f*cking kidding me? Ridiculous. Franchise ruined. Your souls will rot in hell, Bioware. And all your children should be born blind.

I can't decide whether to laugh because its funny, or cry because it sounds so familiar . . . 

[Veex]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

KOTOR2 was a half done game and had many flaws imo.

We should be fair, KotOR2 was three quarters done.

[Suron]

TheConfidenceMan wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Hasnt Obsidian dropped the ball with enough Bioware sequals?

If by "dropped the ball" you mean "take what's good and build on it" then yes. They actually add depth to sequels rather than dumbing them down.

KOTOR2 brought in the influence system where you could turn companions to the light/dark side and even turn them into jedi, deeper characters, lightsaber combat stances, more lightsaber customization,  more classes, etc..

Who knows how much better Mass Effect 2 would've been if they made it.

on that note NWN2 is leaps and bounds better then NWN1..story and gameplay wise..it's just bugged and doesn't run as well as NWN1 so it doesn't have the following...but all in all it's a much more refined and better game then NWN1 ever was....Obsidian did that.

you can only fault KotOR2 because of the parts of the story left out..that wasn't Obsidians fault but the publisher forcing them to release it done or not...so things had to be cut...

I've been a rapid BioWare fanboy since BG1....but after DA:O (which I"ve played 6+ times..it's great but there's a LOT of "dumbing down" in it too that is disappointing) and now ME2 I'm not sure I like the direction BioWare seems to be heading quality wise.  ME1->ME2 (and in essence some of the dumbing down in DA:O) reminds me of what happened to Ghost Recon....the REAL..Ghost Recon

[Darth Drago]

I haven’t played Dragon Age so I don’t know about the dumbing down issues there but I do a see it in ME2 when comparing it to ME1. A lot of elements are gone to “simplify” the game I presume to cater to the die hard shooter fans. Unfortunately this game is now just that, a shooter. It just happens to have more story option elements than a typical shooter. You go in get a mission, get to the location shoot the hell out of everything that moves pat yourself on the back that you only died 3 times instead of the 6 on the mission and go back to get another mission. I haven’t seen any dialog options where you can really talk to a certain levels “boss” even for paragon/renegade points.

To everyone who has contributed their opinions and views, thanks for the input.

For the typical trolls and their replies, go back under your bridges and into your caves.

Modifié par Darth Drago, 06 février 2010 - 06:02 .

[Deadly]

lol

[Schneidend]

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

ME2 is all recruiting and no story. The only people that like ME2 are people who didn't LOVE ME1. You may say you did but did you beat it over 10 times? Where is that epic feeling after beating the game? I'm not saying ME2 is a bad game because it isn't..It's just in my dead space/gears of war pile.

I didn't beat it ten times, no. Probably more like 6-8. I loved ME1. I just love ME2 a lot more.

Epic feeling? How about actually going toe to toe with a <SPOILER>?!

[sedrikhcain]

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

ME2 is all recruiting and no story. The only people that like ME2 are people who didn't LOVE ME1. You may say you did but did you beat it over 10 times? Where is that epic feeling after beating the game? I'm not saying ME2 is a bad game because it isn't..It's just in my dead space/gears of war pile.

Well, I'm done with my first playthrough now and I have to say I think the ending was definitely epic. In fact, I had that feeling that the fate of the galaxy hung in the balance through most of the game (w/the exception of the last handful of loyalty missions, due in part to the fact that I ended up doing nearly all the non-combat ones last, by chance).

Everything from the very beginning of ME2's endgame was epic to me. The only edge ME1 had was the feeling that this was all new and, at the same time, final. You were stopping Sovereign once and for all.

Plus, I actually thought the final boss battle was better in this one, which admittedly wasn't much of an accomplishment. The cinematic cutscenes that went along with the end battle in ME1 were great but the fight itself was one of the game's few real weaknesses.

[Srau]

Ringo12 wrote...
So your saying Mass Effect 2 is bad but yet you decide to go play something like Oblivion or Fallout 3?! Atleast play fallout 1.

Never thought of it like that, you got a fair point : Bioware caught the ZeniMax "dumb it down" Bethesda Softworks' disease.