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[Jobrill]

I have to admit that my main (Spacer/War Hero) is romancing Tali, but I definitely will be playing ME3 through with my Jack-romancing Shepard, who's an Earthborn Sole Survivor, which I like because I think it puts him in a unique situation to understand Jack. His childhood technically wasn't AS sucky as hers, but he had to join a gang and probably commit his fair share of crimes before he joined the Military. Then Cerberus screwed him up on Mindoir, and bam. I think it allows him to play off of Jack in some pretty interesting and compelling ways.

[MHRazer]

royceclemens wrote...

One thing I'm curious about, if you'll indulge me.

For those of you who have a main male Shepard who's taking a romanced Jack to the end of ME3 (provided, of course, that such a thing will be possible), who has the Colonist/Sole Survivor background?

Now I'm curious, does this make a difference? I don't think I've ever really seen any impact caused by your choice in background, do things actually happen differently? It seemed to me like it was solely for RP purposes.

[Jackal904]

My main male Shepard has the Earthborn/War Hero background. I didn't plan on it but I think it's the best background to have when trying to show Jack that it is possbile to turn your life around when you've had a rough past. Because my Shepard was once in a gang and involved in crimes (of course not to Jack's extent. but still), yet he got his act straightened out and now he has a Star of Terra.

MHRazer wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

One thing I'm curious about, if you'll indulge me.

For those of you who have a main male Shepard who's taking a romanced Jack to the end of ME3 (provided, of course, that such a thing will be possible), who has the Colonist/Sole Survivor background?

Now I'm curious, does this make a difference? I don't think I've ever really seen any impact caused by your choice in background, do things actually happen differently? It seemed to me like it was solely for RP purposes.

There is some different dialoguei n ME1 based on your background, but I don't think I've seen anything in ME2 that relates to your background.

Modifié par Jackal904, 27 mars 2010 - 08:43 .

[royceclemens]

It has no bearing on the actual game, I'm just curious as to how everyone else is doing it. I used to think RPGs were just little stat building simulators where you could tell your characters to attack and they did it. Yeah, there's joy in getting everything just right, but there's a fundamental disconnect between telling your character to do something and actually doing it.

But the more I play ME2, the more I think to myself "I lost my unit on Torfan," or "My family was wiped out by thresher maws." And I have to filter that through all the decisions I make. I'm actually playing the role, which I think is the point of an RPG, no matter what people who whine about no loot or no inventory say.

And when I'm thinking about my little BioWare provided, pre-packaged trauma that Col/SoleSur entails, the one I would inevitably go for is Jack. The things they care about have a habit of breaking.

Modifié par royceclemens, 27 mars 2010 - 08:44 .

[Jobrill]

You do get some slightly different news reports and sometimes a letter from someone in your past depending on your background, as well as different dialogue from Jacob and Miranda at the beginning of the game, but no special sidequests like in ME1.

[Mondo47]

yorkj86 wrote...

Part of me wants to stay in-character with my perception of Jack as the tough-girl. Another part of me makes me think that she would want her children to have the very opposite of her childhood. She would treat them with great care and compassion, and defend them ferociously.

Too serious?

This. The way I see it (assuming she could get pregnant, which I have the same doubt about Royce has) I imagine she would be absolutely terrified right up until she first saw the little thing, at which point a very dusty and neglected switch would flick over in her and she would never want to let the thing go. In fact, she might even be a little too clingy and protective, but no matter how much it would scare her, she would do anything for a kid.

I see her reacting with an awful lot of emotion towards children... leave her on the Citadel a while and I'm willing to bet she'd adopt every duct rat she came across; teaching them how to survive, handing out cuddles when no-one was looking, and probably maiming any C-Sec officer that clipped a little pickpocket around the lugs. I see kids working momma-magic on Jack, perhaps because I'm a softie, but more likely because she'd understand the value of childhood more than most.

[Jackal904]

royceclemens wrote...

But the more I play ME2, the more I think to myself "I lost my unit on Torfan," or "My family was wiped out by thresher maws." And I have to filter that through all the decisions I make. I'm actually playing the role, which I think is the point of an RPG, no matter what people who whine about no loot or no inventory say.

I do the same thing. Which is why I think ME2 is more of an RPG than most games people easily recognize as an rpg. There may not be twenty different stats and skill trees to put points into, but I am actually role playing as my Shepard in Mass Effect.

[Mondo47]

My two canon Sheps (one male, one female) have differing backgrounds; Adrienne is an Earthborn War-Hero (and remained faithful to Liara - I think because she wants to protect her... truth be told, I didn't want to romance any of the choices I had thrown at me), but Jacob is a Colonist/Sole Survivor, and lo and behold, romanced Jack (never thought about it that much before, other than she was the only one that needed love... and Ashley pissed me off no end on Horizon).

My two canons were supposed to be Adrian and Adrienne (just to play on the ambiguous name), but Jacob was completed and imported before Adrian. Adrian also when he was finally done ended up with Jack, but that was more to do with me tampering with his fate

Modifié par Mondo47, 27 mars 2010 - 08:59 .

[Jobrill]

Mondo47 wrote...

This. The way I see it (assuming she could get pregnant, which I have the same doubt about Royce has) I imagine she would be absolutely terrified right up until she first saw the little thing, at which point a very dusty and neglected switch would flick over in her and she would never want to let the thing go. In fact, she might even be a little too clingy and protective, but no matter how much it would scare her, she would do anything for a kid.

I see her reacting with an awful lot of emotion towards children... leave her on the Citadel a while and I'm willing to bet she'd adopt every duct rat she came across; teaching them how to survive, handing out cuddles when no-one was looking, and probably maiming any C-Sec officer that clipped a little pickpocket around the lugs. I see kids working momma-magic on Jack, perhaps because I'm a softie, but more likely because she'd understand the value of childhood more than most.

I tend to feel the same way. I've seen motherhood change friends of mine in ways I never would have expected, and one of the great things about romancing Jack is that it shows that she's still human underneath. Even more so, getting her killed on the suicide missions sort of proves she *cares* about other people more than she lets on. And I really do think motherhood or even just having to act like a mother figure to someone would turn that on. The underlying *goodness* of Jack is definitely there in game if you search for it, so I can see it extending to motherhood.

[achegal]

While reading the posts about the pregnancy and children I had this thought that it is kinda strange that Jack has all these scars. Sure there were a lot of operations and stuff but I´m sure it will be possible to avoid such scars in the future. It is allready possible to do a lot of things with endoscopes. So I think in relation to the tech-level they have in the ME-Universe it doesn´t really make much sense. That´s also the reason why I don´t see why Jack shouldn´t be able to get pregnant unless that´s what Cerberus wanted.

[Dominus5412]

My main Shep is Spacer/War Hero. I like Earthborn too though, just because it's the easiest sidequest of the three.

[Mondo47]

Depends what route they took with surgery... I think some of the stuff (like implanting subdermal 'circuits' for biotic energy along the route of the diagram-like tattoos would involve extremely invasive procedures no matter how advanced medical science was. Plus looking at the improvised nature of the mortuary on Teltin, I don't think everything they had was completely cutting edge. That's just my take on it all at least.

As for the inverted-Y abdomen scar, I find myself thinking if that is a remnant from a surgical sterilisation procedure done while in one or another prison system (don't know why I think that, but I've always had that idea floating in my head since I first noticed it), they'd not do a nice, top-end job on it; just hack her open and sew her up.

[achegal]

yorkj86 wrote...

achegal wrote...

While reading the posts about the pregnancy and children I had this thought that it is kinda strange that Jack has all these scars. Sure there were a lot of operations and stuff but I´m sure it will be possible to avoid such scars in the future. It is allready possible to do a lot of things with endoscopes. So I think in relation to the tech-level they have in the ME-Universe it doesn´t really make much sense. That´s also the reason why I don´t see why Jack shouldn´t be able to get pregnant unless that´s what Cerberus wanted.

I think Cerberus was willing to cut-corners in order to minimize their expenses on the project.  Just cut her up/open instead of using non-invasive surgical techniques.  Give her some antibiotics and some rubbing alcohol and she'll be fine, right?

I'm not entirely sure that Jack is sterile, but if Cerberus thinks of Jack as their property in the way they think of Shepard as their property, they'd probably want to be able to control any and all aspects of her.  Why let her create illegal "copies" of herself when they can't make a profit off of it?    (Typing that sentence made me feel uneasy, for good reason.)

That having been said, if science can cure death in the ME setting, there might be a way to give back Jack her ability to have children.  Plot-device, you know.

It´s just cutting her open old-school way seems to me like u would do something like bloodletting today when u r sick. With my science background such things are really disturbing for me xD

[Ilzairspar]

Mondo47 wrote...

Depends what route they took with surgery... I think some of the stuff (like implanting subdermal 'circuits' for biotic energy along the route of the diagram-like tattoos would involve extremely invasive procedures no matter how advanced medical science was. Plus looking at the improvised nature of the mortuary on Teltin, I don't think everything they had was completely cutting edge. That's just my take on it all at least.
As for the inverted-Y abdomen scar, I find myself thinking if that is a remnant from a surgical sterilisation procedure done while in one or another prison system (don't know why I think that, but I've always had that idea floating in my head since I first noticed it), they'd not do a nice, top-end job on it; just hack her open and sew her up.

I always thought the inverted Y scar was done at the center.  Her touching that scar when she's telling you about how some things done there can't be fixed makes me wonder. 

They were building Jack to be the ultimate weapon.  A weapon is completely useless if it needs to take 9 months off to complete breeding.  And if they really wanted to create more Jacks if she was a success then all they need to do is take her DNA and clone her.

Then again...you never know if perhaps they just did a temporary sterilization.  Ceberus might just want to see what happens when the ultimate Biotic and the uiltimate leader breed...

Modifié par Ilzairspar, 27 mars 2010 - 10:05 .

[Jackal904]

I just think they simply didn't wanted to waste extra resources healing her scars. They were making a weapon, not a beauty queen. Look how much it takes to heal Shepard's scars.

[Ilzairspar]

Jackal904 wrote...

I just think they simply didn't wanted to waste extra resources healing her scars. They were making a weapon, not a beauty queen. Look how much it takes to heal Shepard's scars.

Yep, I'm agreeing with Jackal.  They are making the ultimate biotic weapon, not the ultimate femme fatal.  Subsequent weapons can be geared toward any specific requirements, such as infiltration, or seduction.  These weapons might require no scarring, but well...subject number zero?  That is not a requiremnt.

[Urdaniel]

After spending the last week reading all the pages to this thread, I finally feel confident enough to poke my head out of my usual lurker-hole and say "Hi" and add my voice to this thread.  So here goes (please bear with me since pretty much every time I post anything anywhere - which is rare - it ends up in TLDR territory):

Like a lot of other people, I was prepared to dislike (if not outright hate) Jack when I saw the reveal video.  It pretty much went "Oh great, Bioware's trying to be edgy now."  That initial impression didn't change much during the initial stages of my first playthrough with my FemShep Soldier, what with all the profanity (which doesn't bother me per se) and in-your-face attitude (which sometimes does bother me) Jack kept throwing my way.  Then came her loyalty mission.  When I heard her anxious chatter during the landing and the fight through the facility, I started warming up to her.  The clincher came when I saw the look on her face just before she hit the detonator.  At that point I was hooked.  I told myself the first time I ran a MeerShep through the game, Jack would be the first LI.  It took a while (I finished my Soldier playthrough then went with my canonical FemShep Infiltrator next), but when I finally did a Vanguard playthrough, I went in, ran full Paragon, then went for the Omega 4 Relay.  Bam.  From that point, it was no contest.  I even ran a MeerShep Engineer afterward and went for Miranda.  Meh; paled by comparison.  So here I am.

Some other random ME2 stuff:

I used to have three canonical Shepards: a FemShep Spacer/War Hero Soldier (Cassandra), a FemShep Earthborn Ruthless Infiltrator (Nova; yes it's a Starcraft reference), and a MeerShep Colonist Sole Survivor Adept (Gabriel, who has barely left the starting blocks).  But after the whole Jack thing, I've added a fourth, a Colonist Sole Survivor Vanguard (another Gabriel, who's starting on his second playthrough as I type this).

My favorite squaddie characters in both installments of the franchise are (in no particular order except for the first one in line):  Jack, Wrex, Mordin, Samara, Tali, and Liara (mainly on the strength of her change during the time between ME and ME2; she seemed so vanilla in ME1).  In terms of NPCs (again in no particular order except for the first): Matriarch Aethyta (the bartender at Eternity on Illium), the Wonder Twins of Engineering on the SR-2, and Joker.

Would have liked for my FemSheps to have been able to romance Jack, so I'll have to respectfully disagree with Mondo on that count (though I do understand her reasoning as to why she holds that view), since I prefer running FemSheps over MeerSheps.  This is in part because I'd take Hale over Meer anyday in terms of VA work, although I'm sure Mark Meer easily surpasses me VA-wise.  And yes, in part it's because I'm a stereotypical male.  Additionally, I'm not really fond of the choices for FemSheps in the LI department: Jacob, while an okay guy, is rather meh, as is Thane.  Garrus is more like a gun-buddy (as several other folks on various threads have pointed out already).  Kelly...kinda creeps me out, frankly.  And I felt like a heel when I kept on pushing Samara to admit she still had romantic inclinations.  It got to the point that I went back to ME and had my FemSheps romance Liara just so I could see how their reunion scene played out in ME2.

Well, that's enough prattling on from me.  I really like the space the Jack fans have carved out on these boards, and I'm hoping to be able to stay a while (even if I speak up only infrequently).  Go easy on the rookie, eh? 

[royceclemens]

::Urdaniel wins 500 credits::

Aw, son of a... Anyway, welcome.

See, I WAS gonna have a Col/SoleSur male Shepard romance Ashley in 1, Jack in 2 and then force a confrontation in 3. But I got a feeling that any "repercussions" might come back to bite me in the hinder. So I dug up Frank, a clean cut War Hero/Spacer who, in the right light, looks like Captain Kirk... And in the wrong light looks like the Matt Damon puppet from Team America. Frank romanced Ashley and left her to die on Virmire.

Although I think the irony works here, too. Dude's a pure paragon who looks like an Oklahoma farmboy and he goes falling for the one girl he shouldn't be.

Modifié par royceclemens, 28 mars 2010 - 02:37 .

[Chaos-fusion]

Urdaniel wrote...

Matriarch Aethyta (the bartender at Eternity on Illium),

"Ha! Kick him in the quad!" almost made me ruin my keyboard the first time I heard it. I love her to pieces.

Would have liked for my FemSheps to have been able to romance Jack, so I'll have to respectfully disagree with Mondo on that count (though I do understand her reasoning as to why she holds that view), since I prefer running FemSheps over MeerSheps. This is in part because I'd take Hale over Meer anyday in terms of VA work, although I'm sure Mark Meer easily surpasses me VA-wise.  And yes, in part it's because I'm a stereotypical male.  Additionally, I'm not really fond of the choices for FemSheps in the LI department: Jacob, while an okay guy, is rather meh, as is Thane.  Garrus is more like a gun-buddy (as several other folks on various threads have pointed out already).  Kelly...kinda creeps me out, frankly.  And I felt like a heel when I kept on pushing Samara to admit she still had romantic inclinations.  It got to the point that I went back to ME and had my FemSheps romance Liara just so I could see how their reunion scene played out in ME2.

I have decided my next femshep will go for Jack, for.. pretty much the same reasons. Other than being a stereotypical male - I'm not very good at that. Odd really, I've never felt any need to do that before. Thank whatever higher power for savegame editors. Granted, it's likely to royally mess up any chance of continuation into ME3, so it'll be one of my 'for fun' ones rather than something I plan on importing..

Well, that's enough prattling on from me.  I really like the space the Jack fans have carved out on these boards, and I'm hoping to be able to stay a while (even if I speak up only infrequently).  Go easy on the rookie, eh? 

I cannot speak for the others here but hi, pull up a chair and make yourself comfy (lurking or not) .

royceclemens wrote...

So I dug up Frank, a clean cut War
Hero/Spacer who, in the right light, looks like Captain Kirk... And in
the wrong light looks like the Matt Damon puppet from Team America.

Heh, most of my male Sheps look like veteren crash-test
dummies. I still luv'em though.

yorkj86 wrote...

I like Colonist, too, though, simply
because of the " I Remember Me" mission. That mission and the Paragon
resolution make me sob like a ****.  The e-mail you receive from Talitha
in ME2 makes me choke up.

Probably my favourite mission in
ME1 that one. Haven't got my colonist far at all yet, but I will probably squee with delight when I get an email. .. Oww, I feel so hopelessly girly sometimes.

Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 28 mars 2010 - 02:41 .

[InStereoWhereAvailable]

My canon is a Spacer/War Hero, who I can't for the life of me come up with a reason for him to fall for Jack. I just figured that he has the same thoughts as I do. When I first did Jack's recruitment mission (I hadn't followed the hype train, so I didn't see the reveal trailer) my first thought was "What a b****!". That quickly subsided with my second thought, "Maybe she just needs a hug! " So, I'll just assume that's what my Shepard thought, too.

Modifié par InStereoWhereAvailable, 28 mars 2010 - 02:47 .

[Barrendall]

Hey guys I read this article from NPR news and I thought it held some relevance and maybe some insight into Jack's behavior as Bioware dubbed her the "Psychopath" I know it's a subject we have probably discussed to death but I figured what the hell, some of you might be interested.



http://www.npr.org/t...137&ft=1&f=1001



I certainly was an eye opener for me.

[Booglarize]

Barrendall111 wrote...

Hey guys I read this article from NPR news and I thought it held some relevance and maybe some insight into Jack's behavior as Bioware dubbed her the "Psychopath" I know it's a subject we have probably discussed to death but I figured what the hell, some of you might be interested.

http://www.npr.org/t...137&ft=1&f=1001

I certainly was an eye opener for me.

If anything, I think that just further shows how misapplied the "psychopath" label is on Jack (at least going by the term's technical definition). She doesn't really meet any of the conditions needed to actually be a psychopath - it seems like a buzzword they threw on her just for the heck of it. Almost as bad as her preview video, which Urdaniel touched upon*. Jack was definitely the most poorly marketed character out of the lot, and it's a tad depressing to think about the degree to which that alone is responsible for her having the (relatively) small number of fans that she does.

*Great post, by the way. I heartily welcome you, good sir/madam.

Modifié par Booglarize, 28 mars 2010 - 03:29 .