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[Barrendall]

revan11exile wrote...

Barrendall111 wrote...

revan11exile wrote...

Say guys when you look at Jack does she remind you of Morrigan from Dragon Age a little?

Are you commenting on Jack's acerbic tongue?  Both are strong characters but I"m sorry the similarity ends there for me.

Not the cussing but her face i think it's her lips.

ahh I see where you are going.  Yeah they do both have full pouty lips.  I like Jack's eyes more though.

[revan11exile]

Barrendall111 wrote...

revan11exile wrote...

Barrendall111 wrote...

revan11exile wrote...

Say guys when you look at Jack does she remind you of Morrigan from Dragon Age a little?

Hey Barrendall 111 do you think that Zack had the best looking CGI character on Fight for the Lost trailer and i wish somebody had a picture on her character she is hot.

Are you commenting on Jack's acerbic tongue?  Both are strong characters but I"m sorry the similarity ends there for me.

Not the cussing but her face i think it's her lips.

ahh I see where you are going.  Yeah they do both have full pouty lips.  I like Jack's eyes more though.

[BobbyTheI]

Pauravi wrote...

[snip]

The thing that annoys me the most about the Tali fans isn't the fandom.  Love whichever character you want, it's not for me to hate on you for it.  It's just this feeling of, "Ooh, look at all the pages we have!  We have so many pages, therefore our character is superior!"  As has been said before, this may just be the sentiment of a few people, but I just lost it when one of the Tali fans had to correct somebody on how many pages they had, and the attitude of it was...  well, I snapped.

You can feel free to call me a Tali-hater if you want, even though I love the character itself. Tali and Jack are my two favorite squadmates in the game, and the two character threads couldn't be any more different. When I come onto the Jack thread, I'll see people having long, thought-out discussions about the character, with only the occasional one-line reply or pointless distraction. The Tali thread... I get nothing. There are thoughtful, intelligent discussions, but they quickly get buried underneath all the worthless crap.

I wish the Tali community would, as a whole, just step back and think everytime they enter that reply window, "What is this post contributing to the discussion? Is it worth the time of every other community member to read it?" I can't tell you how many times I've started writing a post on this forum, and halfway through realized, "No, this post is pointless," and immediately stopped. Yeah, you probably wouldn't have 5000 pages (Oooh, correct me, I DARE you), but you'd have a much more entertaining thread, at least from the perspective of somebody like me, a Tali fan who only enters the official thread to marvel at how utterly bad it is.

Modifié par BobbyTheI, 03 avril 2010 - 09:01 .

[Jackal904]

Pauravi wrote...

Well well, my commentary seems to have stirred up some rather heated responses.
I didn't mean to make anyone angry, but I do want to defend my words a bit.

The Tali thread has pointless  posts like that because it has become more like a chatroom than a discussion thread.  People go there to socialize, not ONLY to share ideas.  You can ridicule that idea if you like, but I don't see anythingwrong with it.  Also -- isn't gathering like-minded people the very point of having a thread?  It isn't as if Tali fans agree on everything, certainly no more so than you do here.

How is there nothing wrong with it? The most fundamental rule of forums is to stay on topic. The topic of that thread is Tali, yet it's hard to tell without looking at the thread title. That thread is infested with posts like, "Alright guys I'm goin to bed", then the rest of the page fills up with people telling that person "goodnight." I check that thread every so often and every time I look at it all I see is a bunch posts about someone going to work or someone waking up and telling everyone good morning. The old Tali fan threads were locked for that reason, but the moderators just gave up because someone keeps making a new one. Link me to a page in that thread where people are have an actual indepth conversation about Tali. Not something like, "What do you guys think of Tali?", "Oh she's awesome!"

I was not trying to tell everyone in the thread what to do.  But you should know just as well as I that entire groups of fans are often judged by the words of a few of their posters.  Just as you have formed a (wrong) opinion of what all Tali fans are like by witnessing a few pages during busy posting/trolling hours, I was simply suggesting that people might get the wrong impression about Jack fans when they come in and see posts talking about how your character is the best, and everyone else are shallow idiots.

Hypocrtical much? Tali fans are the worst offenders when it comes bragging about their character. Every other thread consists of someone saying how amazing Tali is. And Jack gets ripped apart the most besides Jacob. So many people on these forums act like Jack is scum. If Jack even gets mentioned in a thread it's garauntee that someone will reply saying, "Ew, Jack sucks." How do you expect us to respond to this?

That said, frankly I don't think either of our efforts are needed, and I never did.  I post in the Tali thread because I often have good discussions and I like the socializing, not because I ever believed that she would be written out
of the story.

Is that why the thread is titled "All Tali fans, read this! IT'S UP TO US TO KEEP TALI ALIVE! 3.0!!"?

Of course, two pages are just a few one thousandths of a percent of the threads content, and they fly by quickly during the day.  I guarantee that if you read between the posts and spend a little time lurking, you will find plenty of meaningful discussion.  Not that you'd want to, since clearly you're not a fan, but I'm just telling you: your book-cover impression is wrong.  I thought you were supposed to be good at looking past first appearances?

Buddy, I have tried several times to find something meaningful in that thread. Occasionally someone posts some good fanart but that it is. At the time of typing this I went to look at the most recent page in the Tali thread. Can you honestly tell me that anything in here --> social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1295538/5196 is meaningful? No, I didn't think so.

I was suggesting that people are more inclined to like a character, or at least to want to join your discussion, if they don't feel like they're being insulted for liking another character.

We never insult anyone in here for liking another character, never. Unless they say something like, "Omg Jack sucks, [other character] is so much better!"

Modifié par Jackal904, 03 avril 2010 - 10:16 .

[Pauravi]

Jackal904 wrote...

In this thread we discuss much more than what we ate for breakfast and when we're going to bed. We often have long, in-depth, posts related to something specific about Jack.

Yes, this happens in the Tali thread (with regard to Tali of course ), and happens quite often.  It is just that it is often interspersed with off-topic discussions and pictures, especially during busy posting hours.  I guarantee, though, that there is plenty of substantive discussion going on.  You may speak derisively about the idea of using a topic thread as a chatroom, but I don't really see a problem with it.  We are a community just as you are -- we are just a larger one.

Frist time posters in this thread are often intimidated by how verbous and analytic we are. ... There is more substance in the 130ish pages of this thread than the 5000+ pages in the Tali thread.
....
I don't mean to sound like a jerk but what I'm saying is simply fact.

That simply isn't true.
I understand that you aren't trying to be a jerk, but If I may be blunt, this is an extremely arrogant attitude to take.  It is even more insulting that you see yourself as "just telling it like it is" than if you were actually hurling invective.  The fact that you're so convinced of this idea is exactly the sort of attitude I was speaking against in the first place.

I came into this thread to show my support for what I think is a great character.  On the very first page I land on, I am greeted by a post that insults me for ever liking a different character.  When I respond to it with some indignation, even after first stating my intent and my affection for Jack as a character, I am confronted with a number of responses that basically amount to, "Hey that's cool that you like Jack, but he's right: everyone else are idiots and we're the smartest fans.  It's just a fact.".

This is really not the way to get other people to show affection for your favorite character.  For all you know there are people who like Jack who wanted to come in and participate, but who got the initial impression, as I did, that they would simply spend half their time feeling insulted and just left.  Would they have been wrong?  Or do you truly only want discussion among those who like Jack and ONLY Jack?

I personally think that BioWare created a bunch of very good characters, and I think that they're all worthy of support.  I try to go to other threads and say nice things about their characters, and I always mention that I am a Tali fan because I want people to know that the various fan-clans don't have so be isolated and so antagonistic.  I think it is OK to be a fan of more than one character.  I was hoping that the Jack fans would be more welcoming of someone from the outside coming in to offer kindness to the character.  So far, frankly, I have been disappointed.

And you can't blame us for getting a little defensive when so many people go around on these forums saying stuff like, "Jack is ugly, I wish I could leave her on the Purgatory to die. Why wouldn't you prefer Miranda? Look at dat ass!" And then there's the Talimancers who remind us every 5 seconds how amazing Tali is, and how we're silly to not literally be in love with her.

Well, yes I can blame you.  Do you think that the insults you make about Tali and her fans in general are not echoed across the forum, and in our own thread, every day?  People make whole threads about how they like killing Tali, or how all her fans are creepy basement-dwellers.  As always, though, people only see the most vocal of the fans, and the silent majority is written off as simply not existing.  You're simply not justified in generalizing about everyone else just because a few people hurt your feelings.

[adriano_c]

BobbyTheI wrote...

well, I snapped.

Lol, well...there's the T.K.O!

[IccaRa]

Tali vs Jack? Pffft, everyone knows the Thanedom is the best fandom. We're so sexy and zen.



Just kidding. I adore Jack. I think she's beautiful, easily one of the most striking characters as far as appearance goes (and I don't mean her state of dress.) While she's part of an archetype that I've never much liked and while I did feel her loyalty mission was something of a letdown (the mercs felt... tacked on, for lack of a better word. I was more interested in seeing her struggle illustrated rather than told to me) I enjoy the character herself and would love to see her again.



I wish there was a more obvious friendship path with her if you play as a female Shepard, but almost all the characters suffer from a lack of platonic attention. I think if you read between the lines there's something there, as unusual as it may be, and knowing how Jack interacts with a well-meaning Male Shepard helps flesh out my view of her as well.

[adriano_c]

Pauravi wrote...

I guarantee that if you read between the posts and spend a little time lurking, you will find plenty of meaningful discussion.  Not that you'd want to, since clearly you're not a fan, but I'm just telling you: your book-cover impression is wrong.  I thought you were supposed to be good at looking past first appearances?

Come off it.

Any half-way interesting or worthwhile post in that monstrosity is outnumbered roughly 100 to 1 (and that's granting generous odds). I for one don't have the inclination or patience to go on some wild goose chase in my spare time just to track down a meaningful tidbit of reading. Go ahead and try and make a mockery of the whole "judging a book by its cover" business, but it's more than evident you're having a laugh.

The irony is, I actually quite liked the 'Tali' character after playing the first game, yet now, it's become somewhat tainted to me.

[Collider]

Adriano, letting fans ruin a character for you is silly.

[adriano_c]

Collider wrote...

Adriano, letting fans ruin a character for you is silly.

Oh, there's no denying that. We're in complete agreement.

However, after watching several of the character's hardcore "fans" derail another thread and spam it to death with trite captioned pictures because they didn't like the original post, all done in the name of their "ideology" (I believe someone actually used this term, in reference to the character), I just can't help myself.

The fans and the character have become inextricably linked in my mind, as it were, lol. So, unfortunately, if I play the game...my disdain drifts towards the character itself.

[Ultai]

Come now guys, we all got bigger fish to fry...looks like Bioware is shaping up to take on Zynga.  Even though I don't really care for these kinds of things, I tried to keep Valve up there but they just can't keep up. ;p

www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/532.184375-Poll-Round-5-Field-of-Four-7-Zynga-vs-1-Valve

www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/532.184371-Poll-Round-5-Field-of-Four-2-Blizzard-vs-1-BioWare

[Pauravi]

BobbyTheI wrote...

The thing that annoys me the most about the Tali fans isn't the fandom.  ...  It's just this feeling of, "Ooh, look at all the pages we have!  ... As has been said before, this may just be the sentiment of a few people, but I just lost it when one of the Tali fans had to correct somebody on how many pages they had

Honestly I don't care how many pages we have.  The last couple "thousand" milestones I was off playing DA when they passed, heh.  I am fully aware that our page count is due to the fact that the thread is actually a chatroom, and in fact I reject the notion that the size of the thread is even proportional to the zealousness of the individual fans.

When I come onto the Jack thread, I'll see people having long, thought-out discussions about the character, with only the occasional one-line reply or pointless distraction. The Tali thread... I get nothing. There are thoughtful, intelligent discussions, but they quickly get buried underneath all the worthless crap.

When I go into the Tali thread, I go in for both.  I participate in the thoughtful discussions when they happen, and participate in the socializing on occasion when they are not.  I understand that this isn't to your tastes, and I can see your perspective -- I also often delete posts (sometimes long ones) just because I feel like they are pointless, I am sometimes irritated by the nests of quotes and pictures, and I do like the real discussions most.  However, I do enjoy the social, "chatty" aspect of the thread, and so I am not prone to seeing it as an inherent negative.

[Firmijn]

Bobby, your post in the What is it about those Tali fans... thread gave you +15 epicness points. But I suggest we try leaving Tali and her fans in her own thread and continue to enjoy our own. And frankly, if we go off topic from time to time(but not to much) I dont see how someone other than the moderators would actually care. This place is reserved for those people who like to express their appreciation of Jack, just us. Thats the fun of the internets, you want to talk about Tali or Liara you can always open your own thread. If we feel superior than thats ok. As long as we do it here, nothing is wrong. And since if feel we already do I dont know if I really should say this. But if we feel superiour, we should only show that in here.

We are not the kind of people that troll in other threads. We are not hatefull, nor jealous. We dont force our love for a fictional character upon others, nor do we feel threatened when others try. But this still is 'our' thread. If you dont like our discussions, dont open the page.

Now lets all continue acting mature and keep discussing Jack. The virtual love of our life^^

PS: dont expect me to be This serious for quite a while now. It did really hurt =)

Modifié par Firmijn, 03 avril 2010 - 09:30 .

[Jackal904]

BobbyTheI wrote...

well, I snapped.

Lmfao that was awesome. I'm glad you gave props to the Samara fan thread. They have good related discussions there. A while back they were making me nervous. I kept seeing Talimancer-like posts, but haven't scene any in the last few pages so that's good. Although one Samara fan said Jack sucks on the last page .

[adriano_c]

Last off-topic post I'll make here, I think...



But, boy, am I glad the two characters I like best (Jack & Samara) have the most readable threads.

[Barrendall]

The first thing you post on here Pauravi comes off as an insult to Neccrid and all the other fans of Jack. You didn't attack the character, you attacked us. No matter how you rationalize it in your mind that is what it was. Are you truly surprised that you got flamed? I'm sorry I don't care what you think is true, facts are facts. (See my signature) You came and derailed the thread.

[Mondo47]

BobbyTheI wrote...

 Getting back into that discussion, I think a lot of people were still smarting from ARE YOU MOTHER***ERS READY FOR THE NEW S***?!?!" and worried that BioWare games were trying too hard to be badass and, as others have said, EXTREME.  It seemed like she was trying way too hard to be the Dark Action Girl with an attitude, which turned a lot of folks off.  Interesting in the end, it turned out she WAS trying too hard, but there was an in-character reason for it.

Yeah, I had this exact reaction. I just thought oh, another walking talking bad-girl cliche. I had a little bet with myself she'd swing both ways too (which I was semi-right about at least) but Jack managed to haul victory out of the jaws of defeat for me. Ok, it was equally cliche for her to be hiding a lot of pain and tragedy inside to have to build this superb1tch (I can't believe it censors **** like that in here ) persona to hide inside, but it made her OTT badassery into something understandable. It made me want to pick this poor little girl up and dust off her knees and give her a hug. She grabbed me by the mommy-genes as opposed to the crotch and frankly no other potential love interest grabbed me anywhere (ok, I'll give, Tali did once I initiated a romance, because she was sweeter than a bag of cotton candy), not even in ME1. Jack won me over before there was any talk of clothes coming off, and thanks perhaps to Bioware seeing being bi was a bit too far into character stereotype she deflected all my initial cynical thoughts. The only failing left was the inability for a female Shepard to get some kind of big sis / lil' sis relationship out of it (but then again, Bioware failed - yes, the F-word - where making friends with anyone was concerned except Jacob: the frankly dullest character in the game... WTF as they say).

And now, because you all made me get the PMS face out...

Azint wrote...

I remember my first post on this thread. It went something along the lines of "Hi guys! I really liked Jack and- eep big discussion, sorry for interrupting."

Anyways, it's become the general rule of that thread that we discuss whatever we want and the amount of usuals posting really overwhelm people who don't frequent it. But you guys are not as alone as you think you are, many people do like Jack, but each thread has its own community and it does feel awkward for many to post in threads they do not frequent. I've posted here several times, added my own contributions to the topic and I do see why it's just as intimidating here as it is on the Tali thread. You guys have a small but very strong community, the few that are here are all familiar and while you are welcoming, there is an added second-party factor for new people.

And in terms of reputation on the boards, you guys have a rep for being very judgemental about everyone else and you view yourselves as better. Of course that is not true for all of you but that is the impression others are getting, and it is wrong to stereotype like that, for any reason and for any group. You can't blame us for being defensive either when people state that we are mindlessly posting, there have been lots of big discussions and we do meander off-topic, but of course a 5000+ page thread will not always be on-topic, and the sheer size accentuates that fact.

I'm not here to advocate the Tali thread, I'm here because I think we all really should try to bond. It looks bad for any fandom when the fans are arguing over subjective issues like who is a better or more likeable character, and I'm not saying that you guys do. We really should try to do more than just get along, if we all the fans just band together, I think we all will be much better off for it.

Az has dropped by here a lot, and has always had plenty of interesting and supportive things to add to debate here. You all know I perfer to be the moderate denmommy here, so I'm willing to buy into the idea that maybe we don't always come off as the friendliest bunch (and just to fit the mold, I'm listening to KiTTiE while I clatter this out and getting in touch with my inner riot-grrrl). I've drifted past the Tali threat to know that enough pages have debate and discussion, but in 5,000 + pages, in a thread in it's third iteration? I think it's fair to say that a good slice of it is people signing in and out with a cheery Keelah Se'lai and saying any old crap to reach the next thousand posts. There are so many souls in there though that it's impossible for that not to be the case, because for every five debators, there are a couple of dozen master-debators (sic) and at least one loudmouthed militant loon with no sense of humour (note Bobby's reception and the reason so many of us dared him to do it - because we knew it would happen and frankly it would be hillarious - and it was only a couple of people that went glasstooth on him, because the majority of Tali-fans either did or would see the humour in it all). There's a ****-sight less of us in here, so the statistical density (thank you, Frank Zappa) of discussion over nonsense is bound to be greater than elsewhere. It's not because we are teh supeeriar fanz.

We're smart enough in here to know that we can all get along. Sure, we can be spiky at times, but look at the woman who brought us in here; goes off like a bomb at some things. For us to have got past that, a bit of that has to be in us or people we've known or know. Look at my Virginity motivational - it's mean and shooting harpoons directly at a stereotypical slice of the fanbase. I made it for a giggle though. Sure, I get sick of Jack getting labelled, so a bit of the acid got in there, but it's not something I made to Nagasaki folk with (I've actually made a non-atomic version for use in the Motivationals thread next time someone wails on Jack, but I have a Miranda one too, just to be sure I'm equally ****y ). I don't think we're here to claim moral superiority over anyone else because of who we like. My dad's bigger than your dad arguments aren't our style. And if folk come looking for a fight, sure, we'll give 'em one. But only when they do. It's like Mordin says, we've just got to read the pamphlet and find a position that is mutually enjoyable. We can do that, 'cause we're certainly not elitists in here.

Though if Quarians have a penis-bone (like a lot of mammals do), Shepard is really going to have to work at it with Tali. Really work at it.

Hey, my pops always used to say go out on a joke!

Peace(nik) out, guys and gals.

[Xpardox91X]

Mondo47... KiTTiE rules. ^^

[Collider]

adriano_c wrote...

Collider wrote...

Adriano, letting fans ruin a character for you is silly.

Oh, there's no denying that. We're in complete agreement.

However, after watching several of the character's hardcore "fans" derail another thread and spam it to death with trite captioned pictures because they didn't like the original post, all done in the name of their "ideology" (I believe someone actually used this term, in reference to the character), I just can't help myself.

The fans and the character have become inextricably linked in my mind, as it were, lol. So, unfortunately, if I play the game...my disdain drifts towards the character itself.

I used to be the same. If something was popular, I might have developed an aversion for it simply for that reason. But then I realized how pointless that is. If I were to apply the logic that the small amount of people who overdo it ruin the entire group, then there would be quite the slippery slope.

Tis the way the internet is. Full of unreasonable fans for any fanbase of any popular fandom. Seriously. In all honestly, a lot the so called fans aren't the ones we should be listening to, as they do not even represent most of the base. Anonymity of the internet pretty much guarantees you are going to see idiots unabashedly being idiots whether purposedly or not. And as we all know, the internet is among the best places to see the less positive aspects of mankind. Bit of a double edged sword. But don't let the popularity or fans ruin your enjoyment of anything. I used to do that with music, and I am kind of embarrassed of thinking I ever did.

[Neccrid]

Pauravi wrote...

And don't try to dictate what I or anyone else discusses in this thread. Notice how I emphasis try.

I wasn't, tough guy.  I was suggesting that people are more inclined to like a character, or at least to want to join your discussion, if they don't feel like they're being insulted for liking another character.

You're trying too hard.  Never was I trying to impose upon you an intimidating response.  But when you say something along the lines of.." Stick to talking about Jack merits" or some stupid bull like that of course i'm going to respond to you with shove it.

And incase you didn't notice, This is a JACK support thread, not a <insert name here> support thread.  Why would someone who loves say Legion (Just to mix it up) come in this thread and start making posts about how awesome Legion is? Wouldn't make sense.  And while myself including loves legion, I wouldn't want to be discussing intently Legion in a Jack support thread and I'm sure others here don't want to either.   None of us here are going to insult anyone for liking different characters, but when you come to a Jack support thread expect to see a lot of fans supporting who..? Jack.  If you don't like it then go and find your favorite characters thread, it's out there somewhere.

Modifié par Neccrid, 03 avril 2010 - 09:49 .

[iNixiRir]

And once again. I win zeh Internetz.
Epic alienspaceninjabanditpolice patrol ftw

Modifié par iNixiRir, 03 avril 2010 - 09:46 .

[Firmijn]

iNixiRir in your sig, who is in between Kasumi and Legion? ^^

[adriano_c]

Collider wrote...

I used to be the same. If something was popular, I might have developed an aversion for it simply for that reason. But then I realized how pointless that is. If I were to apply the logic that the small amount of people who overdo it ruin the entire group, then there would be quite the slippery slope.

Tis the way the internet is. Full of unreasonable fans for any fanbase of any popular fandom. Seriously. In all honestly, a lot the so called fans aren't the ones we should be listening to, as they do not even represent most of the base. Anonymity of the internet pretty much guarantees you are going to see idiots unabashedly being idiots whether purposedly or not. And as we all know, the internet is among the best places to see the less positive aspects of mankind. Bit of a double edged sword. But don't let the popularity or fans ruin your enjoyment of anything. I used to do that with music, and I am kind of embarrassed of thinking I ever did.

Oh, don't misunderstand me. It has nothing to do with "going against the grain" to spite something that's popular (I refuse to label these guys as mainstream, for obvious reasons). It's just my being a bit irrational and narrowminded, I suppose. I see a, perhaps, minority of a larger fanbase behaving like unmitigated deliquents, all the while invoking their idol's name (lol!), and the attribution just clicks for me. Regardless, it's strictly my loss (no longer enjoying something), as I don't channel my dim view of said group into "trolling threads" or any such nonsense.

[Pauravi]

[quote]Jackal904 wrote...

[quote]Pauravi wrote...

The Tali thread has pointless  posts like that because it has become more like a chatroom than a discussion thread.  People go there to socialize, not ONLY to share ideas.  You can ridicule that idea if you like, but I don't see anythingwrong with it.[/quote]
How is there nothing wrong with it?[/quote]
Because this is the BioWare Social Network.  I don't see any problem with people coming here to socialize.

[quote]Hypocrtical much? Tali fans are the worst offenders when it comes bragging about their character.[/quote]
I wasn't talking about bragging about the merits of a character, I was talking about ridiculing fans of other characters.

[quote[If Jack even gets mentioned in a thread it's garauntee that someone will reply saying, "Ew, Jack sucks." How do you expect us to respond to this?[/quote]
More civilly?  Frankly I think that is better than the sorts of personal insults that Tali fans hear all the time, like "I would like Tali if her fans didn't suck so much".

[quote][quote]frankly I don't think either of our efforts are needed, and I never did.  I post in the Tali thread because I often have good discussions and I like the socializing, not because I ever believed that she would be written out
of the story.[/quote]
Is that why the thread is titled "All Tali fans, read this! IT'S UP TO US TO KEEP TALI ALIVE! 3.0!!"?[/quote]
Because I didn't write the thread title.  One person did, one person who does not represent every Tali fan.

[quote]Buddy, I have tried several times to find something meaningful in that thread. Occasionally someone posts some good fanart but that it is. At the time of typing this I went to look at the most recent page in the Tali thread. Can you honestly tell me that anything in social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1295538/5196]this[/url] page is meaningful? No, I didn't think so.[/quote]
No, and as I have said before, the thread is a chatroom.  As a percentage of the number of pages in the thread, I grant you -- the amount of in-depth discussion is much smaller than here.  If you go at any given time and just skim a few pages, you're right, you won't find much.  It is a thread for people who like socializing and who are there often.  If you do, you will find that good exchanges do happen, and fairly frequently.  Trying to parse over 5000 pages to sift for it is an exercise in futility, though.  You have to be there when it happens, and in order for that to happen, you probably need to spend some time there.  I don't blame you if you don't want to do that, but don't act as if you know all about what goes on there just because you dip in and skim a few pages every once in a while.

[quote]We never insult anyone in here for liking another character, never. [/quote]
That's funny that you say that because that is exactly what was being done when I first posted last night.



[quote]adriano_c wrote...

Come off it.

Any half-way
interesting or worthwhile post in that monstrosity is outnumbered
roughly 100 to 1 (and that's granting generous odds).[/quote]
You're
absolutely right, and this is bound to happen in a thread for a
character with as many fans as she has.  I fully
admit that the Tali thread is much more like a chatroom.  That may not
be to your tastes, but I am not here to tell you that you have to like
the Tali thread or the way it is conducted.  I am just saying that it is
a forum that does have meaningful discussion, and it happens often. 
Maybe even as often as it does here -- not as a percentage of page
count, but over the same period of time.

[quote]The irony is, I
actually quite liked the 'Tali' character after playing the first game,
yet now, it's become somewhat tainted to me.[/quote]
I find that idea
hilarious.  Do you also stop liking bands when they get popular?
Letting other people dictate your tastes is pretty wishy-washy.  I like
characters based on their own merits, not the merits of their fans.