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[royceclemens]

adriano_c wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

I've come to the conclusion that Jack is suicidal, which leads me to at least hypothesize (not believe, mind you) that if Jack does not spare Aresh, then she will commit suicide between ME2 and ME3.  She says herself in that scenario that she's the only one who knows what happened at Teltin, and when she dies, it's gone. 

Disagree on this. While she's certainly plotted herself on a self-destructive path (as many victims of abuse do), I don't think she's outright suicidal. She prides herself in being a survivor, and I think, she'd view suicide as weak.

And I'd agree with that up to a point, but after Teltin and killing Aresh, who's to say?  Just the way she said it, combined with the fact that her first instinct is to pull a gun when confronted with the prospect of "another Jack" kinda gives me the chills.  This isn't something I believe myself, but I'm just forming a hypothetical.

But as for Miranda and Jack's relationship going into ME3, I'd say "none," given the level of intersquad activities thus far, but I could see it mellowing out if they both take down the Collectors and live.  They won't be seated next to each other at the Roland Park Ladies' Tea, but they'd know each other well enough to say hi. 

And I still want to hitch my trailer to the Jack-Miranda sisterhood theory, because if that's the case, then Jack has storyline immunity and I could take all the Jack-hate in stride. 

[BobbyTheI]

royceclemens wrote...
But as for Miranda and Jack's relationship going into ME3, I'd say "none," given the level of intersquad activities thus far, but I could see it mellowing out if they both take down the Collectors and live.  They won't be seated next to each other at the Roland Park Ladies' Tea, but they'd know each other well enough to say hi.

And I still want to hitch my trailer to the Jack-Miranda sisterhood theory, because if that's the case, then Jack has storyline immunity and I could take all the Jack-hate in stride. 

Yeah, I wouldn't mind the whole, "Oh, they hated each other, but they've grown to have a mutual respect and trust after being under fire together" thing happening.  But, as you said, the Mass Effect games haven't been all that huge for inter-party interactions.  All ME1 really had was the elevator conversations, in the end, and the only major interactions in ME2 were the arguments.  There were a few minor exceptions, but for the most part, all the squadmates were sort of divided off from each other.

That's something I wouldn't mind seeing more of in ME3: break down the walls between party members and actually have them talk to each other.  While I think ME2 has the better characters and is the more superior game, Dragon Age has it beat for party interactions six ways from Sunday.  If they give us some more DA:O style banter between party members and the more in-depth conversation paths like that, plus the personalities and gameplay of ME2, ME3 would be almost perfect.

Or, you know, just guarantee that Jack is back.  Then the rest of the game could be crap and it wouldn't matter.

Modifié par BobbyTheI, 04 avril 2010 - 03:37 .

[NovenseiWarden]

I completely agree - it was the only thing missing in ME2. It was great in DAO if you romanced someone your other party members started talking about it. Some more party banter would help the Mass Effect series a great deal.

[Dominus5412]

Imo, party banter was the only good thing in DAO.

[achegal]

Yep agree party banter would be great for ME3 especially the scenes between characters like Miranda / Jack or Legion / Tali would be extremely funny

[Gethforceone]

achegal wrote...

Yep agree party banter would be great for ME3 especially the scenes between characters like Miranda / Jack or Legion / Tali would be extremely funny

 I'd be more interested in Jack and Ashley banter in ME3.

[Barrendall]

Gethforceone wrote...

achegal wrote...

Yep agree party banter would be great for ME3 especially the scenes between characters like Miranda / Jack or Legion / Tali would be extremely funny

 I'd be more interested in Jack and Ashley banter in ME3.

I gotta go for the Jack and Grunt show folks.  I've always thought there was such potential chemistry between these two.  Grunt would never try to get too close and get touchy feely with Jack's emotions.  After Mondo's most gracious little scene I'm even more convinced they could be buds.  
I enjoyed DA:O's party interaction but I still think it could be better in both games.  My wishlist consists of more cutscenes between party members that don't involve them at each other throats or just arguing points of the mission with Shepard.  Hell even if it means some inter-party romance, I would be ok with it.

[Neccrid]

Mondo47 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

@Mondo47

I just have to say that avatar is awsome!

When does she make that face?

Right at the end of the biotic bubble section in the final mission where she blasts the collectors right before they close the door.

Yeah... "In theory any biotic could do it," eh, Miranda? In theory a lobster can solve a rubik's cube too...

So what were you going to do exactly if Shepard hadn't broken up that fight, other than bleed out?

No one else fits that scene as good as Jack does.  That biotic burst of fury is obviously tailored to fit her attitude. 

And I love that little look shepard gives Jack after she blasts those collectors.  That look of 'Damn, she's a badass'.  

[Urdaniel]

Barrendall111 wrote...

I gotta go for the Jack and Grunt show folks.  I've always thought there was such potential chemistry between these two.  Grunt would never try to get too close and get touchy feely with Jack's emotions.  After Mondo's most gracious little scene I'm even more convinced they could be buds.  
I enjoyed DA:O's party interaction but I still think it could be better in both games.  My wishlist consists of more cutscenes between party members that don't involve them at each other throats or just arguing points of the mission with Shepard.  Hell even if it means some inter-party romance, I would be ok with it.

Speaking of inter-party romance, I'd vote for Jacob/Miranda myself; every time I hear him say that Miranda deserves better than him I get annoyed.  I know it's the devs' not-so-subtly nudging MeerSheps towards Miranda, but I think Jacob (for all his blandness) deserves a break in that arena if Shepard doesn't go for the ice queen.  Besides, it's a waste of perfectly good past history to just leave it like that.

Also, just to go a bit off-topic for a second, I think that if Shepard doesn't romance Tali, that something should develop between her and Kal'Reegar.  I can't be the only person who noticed how he acts around her.  I'm not fooled by the cooler-and-more-professional-than-thou shtick he cops.  And just to be a little inflammatory, how about Tali/Veetor?  Shepard's little quip about "all it took was a pretty woman" might give Veetor ideas.  Yes, I know these aren't intra-party romances, but there's certainly some groundwork for them depending on how much time passes between ME2 and ME3.

Finally, I agree that DA:O's party banter needed some work, but compared to ME2's almost utter lack of it., I'd welcome even that limited amount.  Heck, I'd even prefer to have some elevator conversations.  It's too damn quiet running around with the squad most missions.  And to cap things off with just one more bit of off-topic ranting, after suffering through 1.5 playthroughs of DA:O's "story," I reached the conclusion that the party members, their banter, and most of their VA's were the best thing about the game.  Just my opinion.

[royceclemens]

Oddly enough, for not being a BioWare game, KOTOR II pulled this kind of thing off perfectly. In between every central mission there were scenes between squaddies and nine times out of ten, they weren't talking about you.



Though if I had to pair any of my squaddies romantically, it'd be Tali and Thane. Good criminy, that guy needs some serious cheering up.

[achegal]

Urdaniel wrote...

Barrendall111 wrote...

I gotta go for the Jack and Grunt show folks.  I've always thought there was such potential chemistry between these two.  Grunt would never try to get too close and get touchy feely with Jack's emotions.  After Mondo's most gracious little scene I'm even more convinced they could be buds.  
I enjoyed DA:O's party interaction but I still think it could be better in both games.  My wishlist consists of more cutscenes between party members that don't involve them at each other throats or just arguing points of the mission with Shepard.  Hell even if it means some inter-party romance, I would be ok with it.

Speaking of inter-party romance, I'd vote for Jacob/Miranda myself; every time I hear him say that Miranda deserves better than him I get annoyed.  I know it's the devs' not-so-subtly nudging MeerSheps towards Miranda, but I think Jacob (for all his blandness) deserves a break in that arena if Shepard doesn't go for the ice queen.  Besides, it's a waste of perfectly good past history to just leave it like that.

Also, just to go a bit off-topic for a second, I think that if Shepard doesn't romance Tali, that something should develop between her and Kal'Reegar.  I can't be the only person who noticed how he acts around her.  I'm not fooled by the cooler-and-more-professional-than-thou shtick he cops.  And just to be a little inflammatory, how about Tali/Veetor?  Shepard's little quip about "all it took was a pretty woman" might give Veetor ideas.  Yes, I know these aren't intra-party romances, but there's certainly some groundwork for them depending on how much time passes between ME2 and ME3.

Finally, I agree that DA:O's party banter needed some work, but compared to ME2's almost utter lack of it., I'd welcome even that limited amount.  Heck, I'd even prefer to have some elevator conversations.  It's too damn quiet running around with the squad most missions.  And to cap things off with just one more bit of off-topic ranting, after suffering through 1.5 playthroughs of DA:O's "story," I reached the conclusion that the party members, their banter, and most of their VA's were the best thing about the game.  Just my opinion.

The first thought I had when i saw Kal and Tali together was that they have a little something going on there. Just the way the act and talk but maybe it´s just my imagination. Can´t really see Tali and Veetor together  though Romances between squadmates would be a funny thing too. 

[Collider]

Tali and Kal I don't think would work. She's not receptive at all to him, especially since she's being treated as an admiral's daughter (which she already said she dislikes) and not just Tali. I've also spoken to people in the military who have stated that Kal's behavior is likely professional and not a crush.



Jacob and Miranda had their chance to shine, it did not work and there does not even appear to be any lingering feelings, at least on the part of Miranda.



I think Grunt respects Jack, but a relationship seems farfetched. What Jack really needed was someone who would listen for her and care for her, Grunt could be a friend but would he could he really be the shoulder that Jack may want?

[Barrendall]

Collider wrote...

Tali and Kal I don't think would work. She's not receptive at all to him, especially since she's being treated as an admiral's daughter (which she already said she dislikes) and not just Tali. I've also spoken to people in the military who have stated that Kal's behavior is likely professional and not a crush.

Jacob and Miranda had their chance to shine, it did not work and there does not even appear to be any lingering feelings, at least on the part of Miranda.

I think Grunt respects Jack, but a relationship seems farfetched. What Jack really needed was someone who would listen for her and care for her, Grunt could be a friend but would he could he really be the shoulder that Jack may want?

Grunt?  Shoulder?  No, it's not that kind of relationship sorry if I wasn't clear on that.  Grunt and Jack could be friends but definitely not the touchy feely type.  More of the drinking, fighting , gambling type of buds.  

[Chaos-fusion]

IccaRa wrote...

While she's part of an archetype that I've
never much liked and while I did feel her loyalty mission was something
of a letdown (the mercs felt... tacked on, for lack of a better word. I
was more interested in seeing her struggle illustrated rather than told
to me) I enjoy the character herself and would love to see her again.

(Pulling this back up from afew pages back) I think I've
mentioned it afew dozen pages back, but I know exactly how you feel on
that. I wasn't dissapointed by it exactly, but I would have loved it it
had been more about atmosphere, and some more exposure on Jack's
history. In other words, less pewpew, more talk! But, I know that
requires more time and money than just throwing in some already existing
enemies, and having alot less talk, and you also run the risk of boring
some players, or making it too verbose.

But still, the other
all-talk loyalty missions (Samara, Thane) were my favourites.

Mondo47 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

Right at the end of the biotic bubble section in the final mission where she blasts the collectors right before they close the door.

Yeah... "In theory any biotic could do it," eh, Miranda? In theory a lobster can solve a rubik's cube too...

Heh, I picked Miranda for it yesterday. Even when she was in the middle of a fight, unable to keep it up, she ended up on her hands and knees sticking that 'genetic perfection' up in the air for my screenshot. Err, it made me giggle. Alot.

And in 7 playthroughs I've never picked Jack for that section, huh.. I must remedy that..

royceclemens wrote...

Oddly enough, for not being a
BioWare game, KOTOR II pulled this kind of thing off perfectly. In
between every central mission there were scenes between squaddies and
nine times out of ten, they weren't talking about you.

Though if I
had to pair any of my squaddies romantically, it'd be Tali and Thane.
Good criminy, that guy needs some serious cheering up.

ME3 needs
more of this. Would be interesting to see the romance conflicts get a
little build-up with the Kotor2 way of doing it. If they'd have done it in ME2 though, it would've been interesting to see how the Jack/Miranda conflict played out without your intervention.

[royceclemens]

I'm with you on the LM, Chaos-fusion. In fact I'm going to go so far as to say that Jack's was probably my least favorite loyalty mission, and the only thing I wasn't a really big fan of concerning Jack overall.



The combat just wasn't called for. On the other hand you have Thane's mission, which was BEGGING for some gunplay. No gunplay.



If we switched the approaches with a public gunfight on the Citadel with Jack going deeper and deeper into Teltin, discovering new horror after new horror, finding Aresh at the center like Willard finding Kurtz? That would have been awesome.

[Mondo47]

Inter-party romances... oh, Albion.

I don't know if any of you ever played an old PC RPG called Albion, but that was one of the things I loved about that game the most... for all its low-tech mid 90's computer graphics, the party genuinely felt like a party because everyone had their own things going on.

Long story short, it was a sci-fi adventure where a colony ship travels to a mysterious planet, only to find that it already has inhabitants (including six-foot cat people and humans) living in a pre-industrial age, and using 'magic' (read psionic powers) to do advanced stuff. The hero was a pilot who crashed on the planet and had to find a way to get back to the colony ship before it started trying to stripmine the planet. He had a *****y girlfriend who he argued with a lot (largely becasue he was a bit of a jerkass himself) and once he got stranded, did he screw around? No. He stayed faithful and used getting back to her to spur himself on (though he didn't have to if you played him that way, he did feel guilty about cheating on her and he would own up to being unfaithful).

Point was, one of the best things was that two of your party (one of the cat people who tags along with you in the beginning and a mute 'druid') discover they can talk to each other telepathically, and evolve into a fairly grotesque-but-sweet (they weren't cute cat poeple by any stretch of the imagination) relationship. You could even pay for them to have a hotel room together so they could consumate the relationship. And in party banter (yes, the game even had that) they tended to go on about sex a lot (in a poetic flowing-together-as-streams-into-a-river kinda way).

It really, really made that game something special to me. Back in those days, all I played was Syndicate and UFO, with a little Doom 2 or Quake on the side. That game showed me how good a computer RPG could be. It felt like a really epic adventure. Nowadays we take even the slightest hint of that stuff for granted, and yet here was a mid 90's game absolutely rocking on the little details so many RPGs we fall over and worship miss.

I felt exactly the same way about Miranda and Jacob... just don't suggest that in the Miranda thread... leads to foaming fanbois trying to bite you

royceclemens wrote...

I'm with you on the LM, Chaos-fusion. In fact I'm going to go so far as to say that Jack's was probably my least favorite loyalty mission, and the only thing I wasn't a really big fan of concerning Jack overall.

The combat just wasn't called for. On the other hand you have Thane's mission, which was BEGGING for some gunplay. No gunplay.

If we switched the approaches with a public gunfight on the Citadel with Jack going deeper and deeper into Teltin, discovering new horror after new horror, finding Aresh at the center like Willard finding Kurtz? That would have been awesome.

Indeed. This would have been amazing... maybe finding grim things like little child-sized skeletons, more unpleasant logs, maybe an occasional need to put down roaming varren or other nasty wildlife, but much more pathos over the tacked-on action stuff.

Oh, Royce, go back a page and read my entry at the bottom in case you missed it - I modified it but I think it got lost as we reached Tali-Factor 2 and moved on a page - interested in your opinion, fella

Modifié par Mondo47, 04 avril 2010 - 10:09 .

[royceclemens]

What, about Jack's future potential?



Us Yanks have this expression in baseball called "the sweet spot," which is the part of the bat you really want to hit the ball with because it's pretty much a guaranteed home run every time. Old pros say that they know the ball hit the sweet spot of the bat because when they swung, the bat didn't vibrate.



Where the ME characters are concerned, Jack is firmly in the sweet spot. Anywhere she goes from here is gonna be golden. Her character is defined but her motives are somewhat hazy and still being formed. If any or all of us can argue that she may go pirate, or she may go Robin Hood, or she may get a teaching job, or she may settle down and have kids or she may end up ending it all and every last one of these explanations is going to be at least a little in character? I've been wracking my brain and outside of her joining a ballet company I see no way in hell BioWare could screw this character up.



Future fiction? Hell yeah. I'll be picking up my copy of Mass Effect: Retribution in July hoping she makes an appearance. But no game spinoffs, though. It kinda goes against the point of ME, as Shepard is the only character in flux. I don't want to control Jack, otherwise it would just be a silly action game. An AWESOME silly action game, but not something we've grown accustomed to.

[Mondo47]

royceclemens wrote...

What, about Jack's future potential?

Us Yanks have this expression in baseball called "the sweet spot," which is the part of the bat you really want to hit the ball with because it's pretty much a guaranteed home run every time. Old pros say that they know the ball hit the sweet spot of the bat because when they swung, the bat didn't vibrate.

Where the ME characters are concerned, Jack is firmly in the sweet spot. Anywhere she goes from here is gonna be golden. Her character is defined but her motives are somewhat hazy and still being formed. If any or all of us can argue that she may go pirate, or she may go Robin Hood, or she may get a teaching job, or she may settle down and have kids or she may end up ending it all and every last one of these explanations is going to be at least a little in character? I've been wracking my brain and outside of her joining a ballet company I see no way in hell BioWare could screw this character up.

Future fiction? Hell yeah. I'll be picking up my copy of Mass Effect: Retribution in July hoping she makes an appearance. But no game spinoffs, though. It kinda goes against the point of ME, as Shepard is the only character in flux. I don't want to control Jack, otherwise it would just be a silly action game. An AWESOME silly action game, but not something we've grown accustomed to.

My other half is a Yank, so I'm pretty familiar with most American coloquialisms. It's also led to me having a "Reese's problem" and every time we go back to the Motherland I OD on your one-step-shy-of-meth energy drinks and swill down gallons of your, let's face it, weak-ass domestic beer and look like an alcoholic - an uncomfortably energetic one

Spin off game - ah, I was just throwing out ideas as they came into my head. A game revolving around Jack would just end up being Wet with more swearing and less hair. It'd probably be a laugh for us fans to play, but not for anyone else. How would a game like that even work?

Oh, back up! It literally just popped into my head now an idea that would work - the big inverted-y scar? What if, while she was full of drugs at the ass-end of the experiments, she was old enough and saturated with enough E-Zo to mean any child concieved was going to end up with a similar level of power. So they inseminated her and removed the foetus at four months to finish the job in a tank, stuff even more crap in there. Jack was so full of drugs she'd probably not remember, but she finds a record of the experiment and - off she goes looking for her kid. Cue the explosions - Jack's daughter is Alma/Uranus Damn, I should have a job doing this ****, it's easy!

Ok, insane ideas aside, I was thinking more of a prose expansion of her story. What Jack Did Next. I'd lap it up, even if it took a 'canon' route that didn't involve her shacking up with Shep (because those things are so dull it's already written in stone Shep has a fling with Miranda but goes back to Liara). Jack has room to go have adventures other characters don't really have... Mordin will retire most likely, Grunt'll go home to Tuchanka, Thane'll cark it, Legion and Tali will usher in the new 'golden age' of Quarian/Geth co-existance, Garrus becomes a Spectre and follows in Shep's footsteps... because her skies are open, she can go anywhere, do anything, but as a changed woman; dangerous, a little off-kilter, but with that notion that not everyone is out to get her and that some people actually are good. So she settles into a little settler community, grows her hair, keeps her skin covered up and helps out a bit here and there. Then the Batarian bad guys turn up, set fire to ****, Jack shaves her hair off again and goes all killing-machine on them...

Anyone wanna buy the rights off me for this action movie cliche?

[Barrendall]

Mondo47 wrote...

<snip>

Anyone wanna buy the rights off me for this action movie cliche?

don't suppose you would write it out as a novel first?  I'd be happy to buy a copy of that!  

[royceclemens]

Whatever we may disagree on, one thing we have in common: American beer is terrible. I'd move to England so I could get Newcastle and Dunhills cheap, but that means trading off Mexican food and getting episodes of Justified a few months too late, so no dice.



An interim Jack comic series would be nice, though, but given the art budget for something like that, it couldn't be too detailed. So basically, she'd be wearing a parka the whole time.

[Jackal904]

Gethforceone wrote...

achegal wrote...

Yep agree party banter would be great for ME3 especially the scenes between characters like Miranda / Jack or Legion / Tali would be extremely funny

 I'd be more interested in Jack and Ashley banter in ME3.

My main maleShep romanced Ashley in ME1 and Jack in ME2 and I'm so anxious and excited to see the confrontation between them in ME3 . I picture Ashley being shocked and enraged that I chose this crazy tatoo'd chick with a shaved head over her. Ashley will be ****ing at me, and at first Jack won't say anything but then Ashley will make some nasty remark about Jack and Jack we'll be like, "Woah b1tch, excuse me? Wtf did you just call me?", and then an awesome catfight will ensue .

But on the topic of party banter. I agree that ME3 needs a big injection of party banter and some inter-squadmate conversations. It would so kool to be walking through the Normandy and see two squadmates having a conversation. The only time one squadmate will ever acknowledge another squadmates existence is during a recruitment mission and the meetings after. I like it when you tell the asari cop during Samara's recruitment mission to follow stupid suicidal orders, and then your party actually semi-converses with eachother. Even though I think the joke the make ("that's about twice a day") is really stupid, I really like how they are talking to eachother.

Squadmates feel more distant from eachother in ME2 than in ME1. While the elevator rides in ME1 were a pain in the ass, I really enjoyed listening to my party have a short conversation with eachother. And there was generally more inter-squadmate talking in ME1 which was great. If they can pull off as much party banter in ME3 as there is in DA:O then I will be happy. Party banter and inter-squadmate conversations are my biggest wishes for ME3, besides Jack returning as a squadmate of course .

[Mondo47]

Barrendall111 wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...



Anyone wanna buy the rights off me for this action movie cliche?

don't suppose you would write it out as a novel first?  I'd be happy to buy a copy of that!  

Back when I did film studies at college there was this basic contest we had with films where we'd try and turn every movie we studied into a western. My little capsule Jack-story there is pure western. I've never liked westerns much; they lack any kind of complexity, folk get shot by bad guys, good guys shoot bad guys. Then I saw High Plains Drifter. Wow. Mind blown. That film is amazing in ways you can't imagine if you've never seen it.

So I started doing it. I turned Alien into a western by having some frontier miners follow a map to a lost mine, they get trapped by a cave-in, and there's a mountain lion in there with them. Night of the Living Dead - substitute indians for zombies. It's dead easy, and as much as I thought it was bull**** when I started, it's a rule I stick to now. Take your story idea and try and translate it into three genres - swords & sandals, western, sci-fi. If you can change it three times, it's a winner. If you can just turn it into a western, it'll do just fine

Characters like Jack work especially in westerns; as men they're two a dozen, but as women... that's one helluva twist. Plus I always wanted to write a 70's style exploitation pic in the old West... I Spit On Your Grave, with extra sixguns, maybe. Or a rehash of Witchfinder General in the same genre...

royceclemens wrote...

Whatever we may disagree on, one thing we have in common: American beer is terrible. I'd move to England so I could get Newcastle and Dunhills cheap, but that means trading off Mexican food and getting episodes of Justified a few months too late, so no dice.

Too true. I love Mexican food so I like going over that side of the pond and finding it all over the place for next to nothing. If you want to try a couple of really fine English ales, see if you can find Theakstons Old Peculiar, or Wells Bombardier (which is a lot like Broon Dog - which is what us clued in Northern-types call Newcastle Brown Ale ). Some of your west-coast microbrewery beers are great though... I got addicted to Drop Top last time I went to Seattle. Lovely pint.

Modifié par Mondo47, 04 avril 2010 - 12:49 .

[Firmijn]

I was once on holiday in America (ok, officially the US of A) an Canada. Seriously, the beer on your continent is horrible. Do yourself a favor and start drinking Dutch, or German beer. Preferably Grolsch ^^

[Mondo47]

Firmijn wrote...

I was once on holiday in America (ok, officially the US of A) an Canada. Seriously, the beer on your continent is horrible. Do yourself a favor and start drinking Dutch, or German beer. Preferably Grolsch ^^

If you want something from the Continent, drink Hoegaarden. Most smooth, elegant, refreshing beer you'll ever have. Plus the enormous glasses make sensational improvised weapons - they're practically indistructable and weigh about a pound! Or Chimay. There are no words for Chimay other than... okay, imagine kissing the most beautiful movie star you can think of, and then he/she unexpectedly slips their hand into your underwear. That's Chimay

[royceclemens]

There are some things about my country I will not apologize for, but our beer (besides Pete's Wicked Ale and Gennesee Cream Ale) is not one of them. I like my beer either English or Japanese, back in the days when I drank. Sapporo rules. The Japanese should put all their money in beer production, since they can't make a decent RPG anymore.



So tying in England and Jack, who got weird chills during last night's Doctor Who? "PRISONER ZERO HAS ESCAPED!