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I have to say I agree I wish Jack got as much support as the Tali or Miranda. I like all 3 heck I like every team member but Jack has always been my favorite. She is the only one I could not wait to get to after a mission to see not only more of her emotional walls slowly fall but just what made her tick. Like I have said before out of everyone you see the relationship grow the most with Jack. I wish more people gave her a chance. It is a problem though that femsheps can not even be friends really though.

All 3 bring something good and a different experience
Tali- The nerdy girl that always looked up to Shep also people grown attached more because she was in ME1
Miranda- the perfect one that doubts herself.
Jack- The tortured one. She has learned not to trust anyone but when you get her to trust again you do not see the angry biotic **** but a hurt girl

As far as looks though I say Jack has the best looking face, Samara has the Chest, and Miranda the butt. At least IMO Miranda really just has one hotter aspect but true she is considered the "hot" one.

Modifié par Nastrod, 20 février 2010 - 10:04 .


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Jackal904 wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...

You know, sometimes I get depressed that this thread isn't as popular and doesn't get as many posts as the ones for other characters.  But then I remember what goes on in those other threads and I shuddered.  Could you imagine this thread full of people gushing over their lovey-dubby Jacky-wacky?  Writing fanfics and drawing pictures of her with little pink floating hearts?  Lusting after her bountiful melons or well-proportioned back porch?  Thinking about what her and Shepard's wedding will be like and where they'll end up settling down after the last fight is over?


Well most people are shallow and judgemental and go straight for Miranda, which is obvious and I think BioWare knew that would happen. The way she acts in the beginning is supposed to put people off from her, that's what makes her different and that's just how she is. And since players have to pick between Jack and Miranda during that fight, it's obvious most people will pick Miranda and unless they get 100% paragon or renegade then they won't be able to talk to Jack and learn more about her, so they don't know just how much depth she has.

The people that are really into Miranda like her because of her looks only. The people that are into Jack like her because she has depth, not just because they find her attractive. And that Miranda thread is full of a bunch of spam. The people that post in that thread treat it like an offtopic chatroom. Miranda's name hardly even pops up in that thread.


You can get both without 100% paragon. 

And I liked Miranda because she was a cool character. Not just because she looks good. <_<

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Nastrod wrote...

I have to say I agree I wish Jack got as much support as the Tali or Miranda. I like all 3 heck I like every team member but Jack has always been my favorite. She is the only one I could not wait to get to after a mission to see not only more of her emotional walls slowly fall but just what made her tick. Like I have said before out of everyone you see the relationship grow the most with Jack. I wish more people gave her a chance. It is a problem though that femsheps can not even be friends really though.


Ya I wish you could just be friends with Jack as female Shepard. The fact that me talking to her a lot as female Shepard makes Jack think I want a romance with her, makes me not want to play as female Shepard as much. I hope in ME3 you can talk to your squadmates often and be nice to them without forming a romantic relationship with them, so that you can just be friends.

77boy84 wrote...
And I liked Miranda because she was a cool character. Not just because she looks good. Image IPB


I doubt most people think that.

Modifié par Jackal904, 20 février 2010 - 10:15 .


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I like all 3 LI for maleshep, but I find myself going back to Jack. There is just something about her.

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Jackal904 wrote...


77boy84 wrote...
And I liked Miranda because she was a cool character. Not just because she looks good. Image IPB


I doubt most people think that.



ah, that's not really fair, man. i don't care for Miranda myself but i wouldn't go so far as to say that (most) everyone who does just does because of her assets.

Modifié par Console Cowboy, 20 février 2010 - 10:46 .


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I think her character is the best written. First time i saw her i thought she was some ugly skank ho. After awhile i thought she was some annoying unstable emo chick. Now i think she is a very interesting and compelling character, not to mention beautiful. I think im going to have her as the love interest for my "main" shepard to be imported into ME3 in the future.



So yeah, im a Jack fan and would like to see her kept around for ME3

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I really liked the sad emotional side of Jack and I thought we had a thing going when she was opening up to me, only to discover that she wasn't romance-able for my femshep. The fact she talked about former female romances actually made me think it was a possibility. I played pretty much the entire game with her as my primary squad mate and didn't invest in any other romance option besides the one I had from ME1.

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I have finished the Jack romance. I also liked the emotional side but there was all of about 5 seconds of it, annoying me greatly. There should have been more build up to the romance scene. Jack remains my least favorite LI, or possibly tied with Miranda for second.

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RighteousRage wrote...

I have finished the Jack romance. I also liked the emotional side but there was all of about 5 seconds of it, annoying me greatly. There should have been more build up to the romance scene. Jack remains my least favorite LI, or possibly tied with Miranda for second.


She shows emotion during later conversations with her, not just during the sex scene. I have no idea how you can have a soul and find Jack's romance plot uninteresting. What LI is your favorite out of curiousity?

RE0305 wrote...

I think her character is the best written. First time i saw her i thought she was some ugly skank ho. After awhile i thought she was some annoying unstable emo chick. Now i think she is a very interesting and compelling character, not to mention beautiful. I think im going to have her as the love interest for my "main" shepard to be imported into ME3 in the future.

So yeah, im a Jack fan and would like to see her kept around for ME3


Lol wow that's quite the leap. Ugly skank hoe to beautiful and compelling. I'm sure most people had the same first impressions about her as you. I can't specifically remember how I initially percieved her but at first I didn't care about her. Now she's my favorite Mass Effect character by far. She's unique and has a lot of depth.

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Jack is fun, and there's some great character development. Miranda was really a bit more interesting to me, though, since I despised her in the beginning and gradually grew to like her. Jack I pretty much liked from the start, just not in a romantic sense.


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Jack is really growing on me. The only thing that bothers me is seeing that belt bra and thinking about how painfully uncomfortable it would be. The girls need support, ya know? You can't just stick something rough, non-supportive and burlap-like over them and go about your day. We don't have hardware. Harnesses aren't good for software.



The bald thing actually reminded me of Safiya from Neverwinter Nights 2 Mask of the Betrayer. She was a very practical character that I grew to like quite a bit.



My first response to Jack was one of dislike until I learned her story and started to understand that she'd never been treated with dignity or respect her entire life and didn't respect someone who wasn't 'hardened' like her. The way she responded to my Shep's polite introduction was off-putting. On subsequent playthroughs, I'm starting to take her places with me and finding her much more interesting than Miranda. Honestly, I don't think I'll ever romance Miranda with any male Sheps of mine, but my current male Shep is going to give Jack a paragon-mance. Miranda reminds me of those 'perfect' girls in high school that always looked down on me and wore painted on skirts.

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Jackal904 wrote...

RighteousRage wrote...

I have finished the Jack romance. I also liked the emotional side but there was all of about 5 seconds of it, annoying me greatly. There should have been more build up to the romance scene. Jack remains my least favorite LI, or possibly tied with Miranda for second.


She shows emotion during later conversations with her, not just during the sex scene. I have no idea how you can have a soul and find Jack's romance plot uninteresting. What LI is your favorite out of curiousity?


She has like one or two conversations at most with some kind of emotion besides total hatred. My favorite is Tali, but not because it's really that emotional, just because she was the only one that wasn't mean to me, haha.

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RighteousRage wrote...

She has like one or two conversations at most with some kind of emotion besides total hatred. My favorite is Tali, but not because it's really that emotional, just because she was the only one that wasn't mean to me, haha.


You got a point there... Tali really gives her love freely to Shep. There's no question about it being returned, it just spills out of her. Tali the love-fountain :)

Maybe I'm odd, but I never took anything Jack said as being mean, I just saw it for what it was; a defense mechanism. I was never sold on her being sociopathic - she only ticks about half the boxes for that. A criminal, certainly, but one made by circumstance rather than nature.

Poor thing just needed a hug... then again, I get the same urge to hug Witches in L4D, sooooo...

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I would have liked Jack a lot more if they gave the character time to drop her defenses and actually allow me to get to like her without her calling me a ****er every time I talked to her, haha.

Actually I would have liked 4-5 more conversations with all of the LIs

Modifié par RighteousRage, 21 février 2010 - 05:27 .


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Mondo47 wrote...

RighteousRage wrote...

She has like one or two conversations at most with some kind of emotion besides total hatred. My favorite is Tali, but not because it's really that emotional, just because she was the only one that wasn't mean to me, haha.


You got a point there... Tali really gives her love freely to Shep. There's no question about it being returned, it just spills out of her. Tali the love-fountain :)

Maybe I'm odd, but I never took anything Jack said as being mean, I just saw it for what it was; a defense mechanism. I was never sold on her being sociopathic - she only ticks about half the boxes for that. A criminal, certainly, but one made by circumstance rather than nature.

Poor thing just needed a hug... then again, I get the same urge to hug Witches in L4D, sooooo...


Haha exactly. You can't take offense so easily with Jack. You have to be understanding of her past. She's been through a lot so you can't expect her to be so trusting and nice. She finally begins to trust you when she realizes you are being genuinely nice.

RighteousRage wrote...

I would have liked Jack a lot more if they gave the character time to drop her defenses and actually allow me to get to like her without her calling me a ****er every time I talked to her, haha


That's just how she is. That is what makes her so interesting. At first she tries to push you away but later she starts to let her gaurd down.

Modifié par Jackal904, 21 février 2010 - 05:42 .


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I actually liked that part of the conversation, when she calls you a ****er. That is totally her character, and she says it with a grin. Cute as ****.

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Also she seems most likely to have HIV so I hope Shepard put up a few kinetic barriers on that thing

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It's more than a defense mechanism, though. The scene where she talks about Mirtock (the dead ex) is illuminating in a variety of ways. The only love she ever felt for another human being ended up with him dying on her behalf. So when Shepard sincerely makes advances, she ramps up her act and actually becomes more abrasive. Because all she knows is that anyone who genuinely cares (and whom she might care for in return) has tragedy befall them.



She;s not belittling Shepard or even trying to defend herself. Or at least she isn't JUST trying to defend herself.



Through her own prism of experience, she's trying to save Shepard's life. For someone so entrenched in trauma, this is the closest she's capable of coming to love and nobility to date.

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I think the interesting thing about Jack is that her defining character trait is hatred.  Not of other people, but of herself.  Every action she takes is coldly calculated to make other people hate her and, in this way, help feed into her own low self-image.

When you think back to all the initial reactions when she was first revealed: "Ugh, she's ugly.  Why doesn't she grow some hair?  And what's with those ugly tattoos?  Why doesn't she put on a shirt?"  In a way, I'm sure that's exactly what she's going for.  While she would probably claim that it's just her style, everything about her is calculated to be as initially off-putting as possible.

But suppose you get past that, or maybe find that kind of unconventional look attractive?  Well, that's where her attitude comes in.  As abrasive and vulgar as possible, because she doesn't see herself as any better than that.  Nobody could possibly care about somebody as horrible as her, and even if they managed to fool themselves for a while into thinking they could, she'll set them straight.

The significance of Jack's loyalty mission didn't really strike me right away, but upon further reflection, it really says everything there is to say about her character in a short span of time.  Pretty much all the evidence you find shows that Jack was kept separate and treated differently than the other children because she was special.  She was stronger than the rest of them, and the most important subject there.

But Jack can't accept this.  Obviously she was treated the worst, because everyone there hated her.  They enjoyed tormenting her and treating her like garbage, because that's really all she deserves.  When she broke out, obviously everyone attacked her because they just couldn't wait to show how much they hated her.  The idea that that hatred might have been because she was the important one, and was regarded as something special, just doesn't compute with the image of herself she's built up over the years.

And that's why she does her best to turn away Shepard.  She needs to believe that she's as worthless and horrible as her own self-image.  The idea that someone could look past all the walls she's built up and see that's there's something of worth underneath it all makes her confront her own image of herself.  And the scariest thought of all: not only that somebody could actually care about the piece of trash she thinks she is, but would be willing to DIE to keep her alive, throws her entire world-view out of whack.

This is why, in a lot of ways, I think the Jack romance is one of the best.  It's easy to go after the slightly-nerdy, shy girl with a long-hidden crush.  Or the well-built, genetically perfect exotic vixen.  But to keep persisting against somebody who is trying with all her might to make you hate her, and force her to see that she could be cared about... even loved, that's a little harder.

And if there's anything a guy like Shepard likes, it's a challenge.;)

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@BobbyTheI - ^ This.



There's a reason why Jack's loyalty achievement is called "Catharsis" after all.



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It's interesting to note that taking the renegade path with Jack becomes a completely one-sided affair, as she will use Shepard and dump him before he could do the same to her. It screams of "let's get this over with already." In her mind, both of them ultimately get what they want in a one time only deal. No strings attached.



The only consequence is her refusing to let him touch her again, let alone pry anything else other than a "F*** off" from her. Cause let's face it, he deserved it.



On the other hand, taking the Paragon path with her is also just as one-sided as she trusts Shepard enough to let him be on top - which is funny since the other girls practically go have their way with the guy. One thing she has over the rest of them is she got the most kissing out of Shepard in both of her scenes. We see her connect with Shepard on a purely emotional level, and it didn't have to result in clothes flying off. Her motivations didn't lean on "big suicide mission is coming up in a couple hours and there might not be a chance for a victory quickie afterwards".



And bonus, that was the first time we saw her smile for real.


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bad girls bad girls what ya gonna do what ya gonna do when they come for you.

Well...either love jack or hate the girl.. 

wait jack.. no.. Jack i didn't say that..

RUNN KELLY!!! Image IPB

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I thought Jacks romance was the most complex. With Tali and Miranda I felt they just threw themselves at Shepard but Jack was different. You can tell she tries to keep as much distance as possible from Shepard but is constantly conflicted with her want for him. Since this is all to new to Jack she is probably waiting for the knife in the back from Shepard (like every other friend she had do to her) but finally gives into him towards the end of the game. Jack is a emotional wreck and hopefully in ME3 we can help her more.

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My favorite is Miranda but I really like Jack aswell and feel she is a valuable character. I love her "In your face" shooting style, her funny comments and dialogue. To me Jack and Miranda have the best/more meaningful romances. Tali (as a love interest)  seems awkward and boring, she's like Sheps little sister. 

Her loyalty mission was sad and made me wish there was a way to get her to open up even if you don't romance her, as Shep or FemShep. My first playthrough I sided with Miranda in their argument (didn't have enough Paragon or Renegade) even though I knew Miranda was wrong! I felt so bad afterwardsImage IPB After Shepard accompanies her and better understands what she went through, then still not siding with her is pretty F'ed up...and it reaffirms her belief that no one gives a f*** ,so she remains bitter, which sucks.

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If she didn't hate me for being into her I'd be her BFF.



Too bad. </3

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I love Jack. I mean Miranda is nice and all but I loved getting to know Jack. I wanted to see her true nature not the "Hurr, I'm a ****" nature. Her past is sad.