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[adriano_c]

Understanding this modding stuff...slowly.







Still unable to use her head while on the Normandy, however.

[Chaos-fusion]

Add another vote to the "It wasn't sex" side. If whoever wrote it decides to say it was, then I shall feel the need to throttle my sheperd for being an arse. (Almost as bad as Femshep's with "I want you thane" right after he's told you about his dead wife. Real tactful Shep..)

Glad you're getting somewhere with it adriano_c. Hope it's not giving you too many problems so far either.

Jackal904 wrote...

Don't be so hard on yourself, I think it's really good. Everything looks very proportional and you did a nice job with her face. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

Aww, thanks Jackal. :happy:

Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 09 avril 2010 - 10:45 .

[Jackal904]

NovenseiWarden wrote...

C4551DY wrote...

Well, im romancing Jack on my current playthrough. Only one thing bugs me though....the name. Did she give herself that name?

Yep. http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Jack.

Maybe she didn't even remember her real name.

That page is incorrect about where she got her name from. She didnt give herself that name afaik. A scientist on one of the audio logs in the Teltin Facility referred to Jack and 'Jack'. So her name was indeed Jack before the escaped the Teltin Facility. I don't understand how the author, who obviously knows a lot about Jack, could get the detail wrong. Also no one is sure if she got raped in that scenario she mentions in the Dark Star Lounge bathrooms, although it does seem likely.

[NovenseiWarden]

Jackal904 wrote...

NovenseiWarden wrote...

C4551DY wrote...

Well, im romancing Jack on my current playthrough. Only one thing bugs me though....the name. Did she give herself that name?

Yep. http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Jack.

Maybe she didn't even remember her real name.

That page is incorrect about where she got her name from. She didnt give herself that name afaik. A scientist on one of the audio logs in the Teltin Facility referred to Jack and 'Jack'. So her name was indeed Jack before the escaped the Teltin Facility. I don't understand how the author, who obviously knows a lot about Jack, could get the detail wrong. Also no one is sure if she got raped in that scenario she mentions in the Dark Star Lounge bathrooms, although it does seem likely.

Hmmm... yeah, that is weird. I think then it's more likely that Jack is her real name. The only other possiblity is that she was an orphan when taken or didn't know her name originally, so Cerberus gave her the name. Strange that there's so much misinformation there.  Her name does coorespond with her personality though, and her attempt to be sound/appear more masculine. Nice catch Jackal904

[exterminator_]

basicly i just take the new dlc and i like Jack with bike suit and glasses



Even more rocking babe

[adriano_c]

Some sort of bizarre, new gestalt therapy?

[Jackal904]

Ha that's so weird. It's got to be even weirder actually playing through that mission looking like Jack.

Modifié par Jackal904, 09 avril 2010 - 11:16 .

[Mondo47]

God, that screenie is like being drunk! Seein' double FTW

[achegal]

Jackal904 wrote...

NovenseiWarden wrote...

C4551DY wrote...

Well, im romancing Jack on my current playthrough. Only one thing bugs me though....the name. Did she give herself that name?

Yep. http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Jack.

Maybe she didn't even remember her real name.

That page is incorrect about where she got her name from. She didnt give herself that name afaik. A scientist on one of the audio logs in the Teltin Facility referred to Jack and 'Jack'. So her name was indeed Jack before the escaped the Teltin Facility. I don't understand how the author, who obviously knows a lot about Jack, could get the detail wrong. Also no one is sure if she got raped in that scenario she mentions in the Dark Star Lounge bathrooms, although it does seem likely.

Or maybe the devs just made a mistake, u know **** happens. Maybe they didn´t really care or thought it trough who knows. Cause I think it´s weird that she insists that her name is Jack and not SuZe during her loyalty mission,  if the Cerberus people used both names during her time on Pragia why keep that name. If she wanted to cut all ties to her past it would make sense that she gave herself a new name one, that isn´t Pragia related. My point of view.

[BobbyTheI]

achegal wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

NovenseiWarden wrote...

C4551DY wrote...

Well, im romancing Jack on my current playthrough. Only one thing bugs me though....the name. Did she give herself that name?

Yep. http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Jack.

Maybe she didn't even remember her real name.

That page is incorrect about where she got her name from. She didnt give herself that name afaik. A scientist on one of the audio logs in the Teltin Facility referred to Jack and 'Jack'. So her name was indeed Jack before the escaped the Teltin Facility. I don't understand how the author, who obviously knows a lot about Jack, could get the detail wrong. Also no one is sure if she got raped in that scenario she mentions in the Dark Star Lounge bathrooms, although it does seem likely.

Or maybe the devs just made a mistake, u know **** happens. Maybe they didn´t really care or thought it trough who knows. Cause I think it´s weird that she insists that her name is Jack and not SuZe during her loyalty mission,  if the Cerberus people used both names during her time on Pragia why keep that name. If she wanted to cut all ties to her past it would make sense that she gave herself a new name one, that isn´t Pragia related. My point of view.

Yeah, I can't help but wonder if that audio log just had him use the name Jack so that we, the audience, would understand that that was who he was talking about.  Even though it doesn't really fit with the continuity of the whole thing.

I have to go with the whole theory that Jack was a name she gave herself, because I doubt that Cerberus would care about her enough to give her a name, other than her official designation of Subject Zero.  And since she doesn't have any memories from before Teltin, chances are Jack isn't the name she was born with.

[Mondo47]

BobbyTheI wrote...

achegal wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

NovenseiWarden wrote...

C4551DY wrote...

Well, im romancing Jack on my current playthrough. Only one thing bugs me though....the name. Did she give herself that name?

Yep. http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Jack.

Maybe she didn't even remember her real name.

That page is incorrect about where she got her name from. She didnt give herself that name afaik. A scientist on one of the audio logs in the Teltin Facility referred to Jack and 'Jack'. So her name was indeed Jack before the escaped the Teltin Facility. I don't understand how the author, who obviously knows a lot about Jack, could get the detail wrong. Also no one is sure if she got raped in that scenario she mentions in the Dark Star Lounge bathrooms, although it does seem likely.

Or maybe the devs just made a mistake, u know **** happens. Maybe they didn´t really care or thought it trough who knows. Cause I think it´s weird that she insists that her name is Jack and not SuZe during her loyalty mission,  if the Cerberus people used both names during her time on Pragia why keep that name. If she wanted to cut all ties to her past it would make sense that she gave herself a new name one, that isn´t Pragia related. My point of view.

Yeah, I can't help but wonder if that audio log just had him use the name Jack so that we, the audience, would understand that that was who he was talking about.  Even though it doesn't really fit with the continuity of the whole thing.

I have to go with the whole theory that Jack was a name she gave herself, because I doubt that Cerberus would care about her enough to give her a name, other than her official designation of Subject Zero.  And since she doesn't have any memories from before Teltin, chances are Jack isn't the name she was born with.

Or maybe someone gave her the name in the first couple of years she spent on the run after the escape... maybe that in itself could make an interesting little story "How Jack got her Name"...

[achegal]

But if someone gave her that name after she escaped Teltin how can they call her Jack in the video logs ???

[Ilzairspar]

Mondo47 wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...

achegal wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

NovenseiWarden wrote...

C4551DY wrote...

Well, im romancing Jack on my current playthrough. Only one thing bugs me though....the name. Did she give herself that name?

Yep. http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Jack.

Maybe she didn't even remember her real name.

That page is incorrect about where she got her name from. She didnt give herself that name afaik. A scientist on one of the audio logs in the Teltin Facility referred to Jack and 'Jack'. So her name was indeed Jack before the escaped the Teltin Facility. I don't understand how the author, who obviously knows a lot about Jack, could get the detail wrong. Also no one is sure if she got raped in that scenario she mentions in the Dark Star Lounge bathrooms, although it does seem likely.

Or maybe the devs just made a mistake, u know **** happens. Maybe they didn´t really care or thought it trough who knows. Cause I think it´s weird that she insists that her name is Jack and not SuZe during her loyalty mission,  if the Cerberus people used both names during her time on Pragia why keep that name. If she wanted to cut all ties to her past it would make sense that she gave herself a new name one, that isn´t Pragia related. My point of view.

Yeah, I can't help but wonder if that audio log just had him use the name Jack so that we, the audience, would understand that that was who he was talking about.  Even though it doesn't really fit with the continuity of the whole thing.

I have to go with the whole theory that Jack was a name she gave herself, because I doubt that Cerberus would care about her enough to give her a name, other than her official designation of Subject Zero.  And since she doesn't have any memories from before Teltin, chances are Jack isn't the name she was born with.

Or maybe someone gave her the name in the first couple of years she spent on the run after the escape... maybe that in itself could make an interesting little story "How Jack got her Name"...

I can see a few situations where the slip up can work.

I can see her asking some scientist why her name is different than everyone else's and decided to give herslef a name.  Didn't she have a few books in her room?  Perhaps she chose Jack from a book.

I can also see her occasionally rebelling at her handlers.  I wouldn't be suprised if someone called her "Subject Zero" and she answered back that her name was Jack.

She also was the most inportant experiement so I can also see the scientists occasionally calling her that under a "oh how cute, it thinks it can name itself" sort of thing. 

All it takes is the guy doing that report to personally think of her as Jack and not Subject Zero to cause a slip of the tongue during an "official report". 

Heck for all we know she could have dug her heels in and refused to answer to Subject Zero.  All those scientist might have had to call her Jack normally.  I don't see that likely though.  Gives her a bit too much power

Just an idea.

Modifié par Ilzairspar, 10 avril 2010 - 12:41 .

[Jackal904]

I think she gave herself that name during her time in the Teltin Facility. She probably didn't like being refered to as "Subject Zero" so she made up a name for herself.

[Neccrid]

It makes sense that she would give herself the name. Being called Subject Zero is just another prime example of people not caring about Jack as a person but as a tool. Would explain why she gets angry when people call her SuZe.

[Booglarize]

adriano_c wrote...

Some sort of bizarre, new gestalt therapy?

This picture is blowing my mind. 

[achegal]

Well we never can tell for sure how she got the name Jack unless the we get some kind of uber-DLC in which we learn about her past, which would be awesome. One thing is sure there´s a lot of potential for DLC or additional conversations and quest in ME 3.

[MHRazer]

Do we know for sure that she remembers nothing from before Teltin? Is it possible that her real name is actually Jack, and being one of the few things she does remember from before the experiments, she is holding onto it? I would think if you're going to remember anything from an early age it would be your name, although I can't recall the exact dialog that lets us know she doesn't remember her past. So I'm not sure if it's possible she would remember something like a name.



If it's possible, it would explain why she forcefully defends being called Jack, and why the Teltin logs might call her Jack.

[achegal]

I´m pretty sure she says her oldest memory is her room on Pragia or something like that.

[Ilzairspar]

MHRazer wrote...

Do we know for sure that she remembers nothing from before Teltin? Is it possible that her real name is actually Jack, and being one of the few things she does remember from before the experiments, she is holding onto it? I would think if you're going to remember anything from an early age it would be your name, although I can't recall the exact dialog that lets us know she doesn't remember her past. So I'm not sure if it's possible she would remember something like a name.

If it's possible, it would explain why she forcefully defends being called Jack, and why the Teltin logs might call her Jack.

I vaguely remember her saying something about her first memory being her cell door.  So I'm guessing if she has any memories before then they are subconscious.

[MHRazer]

Would you consider knowing your name a memory though? My earliest memory is from about when I was 5, but I know I knew my name before then.

[achegal]

 Remembering her name is just another thing depending on how old she was when she was captured by Cerberus IF she was captured as a little kid. As far as we know Cerberus could have taken her away from her mother right after birth . We can discuss stuff like that till eternity but we´ll never know for sure

[Jobrill]

royceclemens wrote...

Glad to help.

I've just realized that with Kasumi out now, I'm gonna have to replay my two MainSheps and six MiniSheps to factor her in. I think I'll work on Frank (who has the Jack romance) next.  That one usually makes me feel better.

But going back to up at the top of the page, concerning FemShep's apparent lack of bonding and MaleShep's inability to just be friends with her, it's never really presented a problem with me.  She actually gives you outs.

-For FemSheps, she gives you the girl's club speech after you've proven your loyalty.  She tells you it's a good place to stop, and given her screaming fit if you try to talk to her again, I wholeheartedly agree.

-For MaleSheps, it's the Dumbsh*t Love Affair option, where you can point-blank tell her you're not interested, and furthermore that you'll be upstairs and not bugging her.  And this is the point where I stop talking to her if I'm romancing someone else.

I can see that it's frustrating, but even with her limited non-romantic dialogue options she gets one more NR conversation than Tali, and a full THREE more than Garrus.  Jack is so well-written that she comes off as a real person and if she says she doesn't want to talk, I won't talk to her.  If I tell her that I respect what she tells me she wants, I won't bug her anymore.

To me, it's all about backing off and providing space, giving her the tools she needs to fix herself and not interfering (in a Starfleet Prime Directive sort of way).  But then there's a romantic entanglement but in a way, that's entirely up to her.  You've still given her the tools to fix herself, and part of that is meaning something to someone else.  She's a smart, independent girl and doesn't need us for a crutch.  And given she's so well-written, I can say that about a video game character and not come off as a raving loon.

I actually quite agree with this, and this is where I've ended it on FemSheps and Male Sheps who are romancing someone else. What I love too, and what gives me hope for her, is when the suicide mission is over, and you're walking across the bridge toward Joker, she's there, and she sort of turns and looks at you, and I swear she slightly nods her head, like, "Hey. Sup buddy." That always makes me giddy, romancing her or not. I sorta wish I could over and fist bump her right then. It makes me think she's gonna be alright though, even without a romance.

[Jackal904]

Ya I thought that was kool when she nodded at me in the last cutscene. I thought it was because I romanced her and I thought, "oh that's kool, BioWare must have your LI give you some extra acknowledge in the last cutscene." But then I beat it with my femShep and she still nodded at me lol. I guess it's good though that she always nods at Shepard though. People might think, "Hm, Jack nodded at me, maybe she's not that bad."

[achegal]

I´m quite sure there´s always someone who nods at you. During my "no-upgrades" play-trough one of the others took her place. At least that´s what I remember but it´s been a while though, maybe I should play the end again to be sure...

Modifié par achegal, 10 avril 2010 - 03:42 .