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That is also why I like Samara as a character. IMO Samara is the deepest in the game with Jack right behind her.
Hm I like Samara too, but imo I didn't feel she is that deep. Why?
The whole thing with the code kind of disturbs me, because it's so motivated by religion. Catholic church, celibacy. She is the ideal typos of that idea, given the ability that she can put her feelings succesfully aside even when confronted. That even carries over in her loyalty mission, she is killing her own daugther for killing other people, but the interesting thing, killing other people in an act of sexual passion. Something, she can not experience because of the code.
Maybe that's why my opinion towards religion in general is a bit, would not call it radical, but I do not really support it either.
So, I like Samara, but for what I just said I don't have the feeling she is a deep character.
The code does not forbid sexual realtions, that it what she has chosen not to do. Have you exhausted all dialog with her?
I'm not sure if I did all dialogue with her to be honest, and I didn't want to attack any, just my thoughts about it. And I knew it did not forbid, but also the restraining of the own sexuality, even when done by own will, is a motive that reminds me a lot of what I said.
But know you made me curious, on my renegade playthrough which I just started I will suck every detail out of Samara (no, not even as renegade I will choose Morinth, after watching the "shep romance scene" with her I can't take this serious anymore ^^)
I didn't take it as an attack. That stuff doesn't bother me. They are just characters in a story in a video game. I have no obsession over any aspect of the game. I do like to talk and discuss them though.
If you are interested, come over to the Samara thread and post a couple of questions and give your thoughts. There are several members over there that will give you a clinical rundown on the character. Different views are welcome. I don't want to eat into the Jack thread.
Edit: Also if you immerse yourself in the game and exhaust all dialog with her, you may respect the character a little more.
I've actually been a fan of Samara since my first playthrough. To be brutally honest, if Samara had been truly romanceable I don't know how I would feel about Jack today. They're practically tied for first place in my mind. Maybe it's because I see so many parallels between them besides the fact that they're both badass biotics.
For instance, they both seclude themselves from the rest of the crew and are more accustomed to being alone; Samara is just more social and welcoming of company than Jack is, but that's more due to their different histories. But even their histories are similar; they're both full of events that leave you questioning deep down who that person really is even if Samara's lurid past was mostly comprised of her own choices while Jack's was of other people making choices for her.
They are both tragic figures. Jack's tragedy is facing down her past and coming to terms that maybe, just maybe, Shepard is an honest and caring person who is willing to see her for who she is, shrug off the bull****, and get his hands dirty to help her attain some genuine sense of belonging. Samara's tragedy is, obviously, the conflict of her fealty to the Code versus her instincts as a mother of the person she hunts. Samara, however, also deals with the conflict of the importance of the Code in her life in the pseudo-romance Shepard can have with her. Can she be more than the stalwart, stone-hearted warrior? Is she willing to open up those few cracks we see in her defenses to let Shepard and herself have something more intimate?
And in the end, they make two different choices, but I think I can understand each one. Jack decides to open up more because deep down I think she understands that it's breaking her down, and she needs it to change for
herself as much as for anything else. For Samara, while I see her as being genuinely interested in Shepard, I think she's more afraid of anything. Not necessarily afraid of having another Ardat-Yakshi child since she's sworn to not have children anyway, but rather that she doesn't want to become so emotionally involved with him in case she has to go through with him what she just went through with Morinth. That is to say, she doesn't want to have to kill someone she loves ever again. One of my favorite lines for Samara that I think supports this is this bittersweet sentence she says when you talk to her on the Normandy after killing Morinth; she says, "For the first time in 400 years, I am free. I am a ruined vessel of sorrow and regret, but I am free."
I respect both characters and enjoy the story behind each because I think both of them demand more attention to the subtle details. I think they both emphasize more about what isn't said than what we end up hearing from their lips. In the end, they're both fantastic characters, in my opinion, and I truly hope we're blessed to have both of them return in ME3.
Sorry for veering so far off-topic with this. I just haven't posted a whole lot lately, and I've taken to trying to make what few posts I make actually be worthwhile if I can help it.
Now back to your regularly scheduled Jack.
Edit: Darn formatting glitches.
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And yes, pretty much all the squadmates have "teammate fallen" dialogue. Not all of them have responses to every other possible teammate; there are a few generic "friendly down!" quotes that I assume would have been used in their place. Even if they weren't in the game, I'm glad they're there, because they're a good source of teammates saying other teammates' names for use in my audio edits.
