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[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Here is a pretty cool renegade trailer that Balckveldt put together. It is MaleShep with Jack as the LI. I thought it came out pretty good.


What do you think?

Nice trailer. Nice tight editing too. I can't help but think a pure Renegade Shep is a total douche though; he steps way past the gritty antihero role and straight into marginal villain territory.

I tend to agree.  Pure renegade is going overboard IMO.

Now!  Drink it!

That seems a little mean for me.... as does choosing a sociopath rather than a person swarn to protect innocense.

[gneissguy2003]

NICKjnp wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Here is a pretty cool renegade trailer that Balckveldt put together. It is MaleShep with Jack as the LI. I thought it came out pretty good.


What do you think?

Nice trailer. Nice tight editing too. I can't help but think a pure Renegade Shep is a total douche though; he steps way past the gritty antihero role and straight into marginal villain territory.

I tend to agree.  Pure renegade is going overboard IMO.

Now!  Drink it!

That seems a little mean for me....

You obviously haven't heard Bobby's sound edit of the Tupari advertisement, then.

[NICKjnp]

gneissguy2003 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Here is a pretty cool renegade trailer that Balckveldt put together. It is MaleShep with Jack as the LI. I thought it came out pretty good.


What do you think?

Nice trailer. Nice tight editing too. I can't help but think a pure Renegade Shep is a total douche though; he steps way past the gritty antihero role and straight into marginal villain territory.

I tend to agree.  Pure renegade is going overboard IMO.

Now!  Drink it!

That seems a little mean for me....

You obviously haven't heard Bobby's sound edit of the Tupari advertisement, then.

I sure have... he switches it around.  Drink it!  Now!

[Azint]

After completing Jack's romance, both variations, it conjured some thoughts; how do you think it would affect her in the next game?

Now after several playthroughs, I recently did her renegade path, it came off as a fling and she obviously loses respect for you. I think it's a reasonable hypothesis that Jack will not change in Mass Effect 3, she may even become worse, considering she no longer has anyone to trust.

But doing her romance and taking the high road, Jack really opens up to you and she confesses that she has something left to care for. Jack is a very broken person and her romance is the start of her apparent recovery, but how do you think she would be presented after that? It's obvious that Jack needs more than just psychological support, and by loving her she begins to start changing, so I believe that Jack will go through the most radical changes in the next game depending on how she was treated.

I'm also curious as to that your thoughts are on how Jack will be in the next game if you treated her well but did not romance her. My guess is that she will remain the same, but more sympathetic to others now.

So please indulge me, I want some more insight.

[gneissguy2003]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...
Hmmm. That's awesome . I should go load up my renegade Shepard and chat it up with Samara. I wonder what she says if you trying romancing her throughout the game and you're hardcore renegade. So doesn't that mean that Samara will leave you for sure in the beginning of ME3 if you're renegade? That or you'll end up having to kill her because she'll try and kill you.

An interesting scenario in ME3 would be that you run into Samara and if you're renegade you have to try and convince her not to kill you, well, not to fight you because no one can kill Shepard .

She spurns your advances if you try to renegade the romance with her.

As far as fighting Samara for a renegade in ME3, that is the type of scenario that the writers give us.  It will be interesting to see if it really does happen in ME3.

And suddenly I'm sparked by a thought on how Bioware might/could potentially approach the storyline of ME3. So in ME2 we're tasked with whether or not to gain the loyalty of each squadmate to earn their trust. However, on top of this we obviously have seen with several characters (such as Jack, Samara, etc.) that there are more subtle issues that we could potentially deal with. Samara is a good example in that you could be a hardcore Renegade but still earn her loyalty. Similar with Jack, you can earn her loyalty and then go for the one-night stand with her. Each of those interactions has been leaving fans wondering, "What the hell will this do to my Shepard and his/her interactions with these characters come ME3?"

Well, what if the entire premise of ME3 isn't just to gather a strong force for the fight against the Reapers but, on a more personal level, to truly gain the respect of your squadmates beyond just the whole "thanks for helping me with that mission, I guess I owe you one" idea. And then, what if the final fight and its outcome hinges upon those people from both games who's true loyalty you've kept? For instance, you played ME2 as a Renegade but had Samara's loyalty for the suicide mission, she lives, and at some point in ME3 you have to confront her. However, she remembers how you acted and decides that it's her perogative to kill you; you're now forced to fight and kill Samara because of your Renegade status and this has ramifications on the final battle. Similarly to Jack, if you Renegade-romanced her then she ditches you at some point that's convenient for her, and you either never hear from her again or she dies on some crazy escapade of hers or something.

This then could play into how the whole "cheating" on your ME1 love interest could have a "dire" effect as a lot of people believe it will. You're forced to choose between the two LI's, and whichever one isn't picked leaves for good (debate whatever reasons you wish). Thoughts?

[adriano_c]

Somewhat off-topic, but...

Having re-read the last couple of pages of the thread, I noticed (how could you not) that some of the more regular frequenters here were drawn into posting because of the 'Jack' character. A rather atypical habit as such, posting on a gaming-related forum or otherwise, judging by what was said. I've also noticed a little bit of overlap between this and the Samara thread, again, in terms of people involved (mainly due to Johnny "Cousin Oliver" Dollar's spontaneous appearance here).

Anyway, it got me curious as to which other characters were liked by people initially drawn to 'Jack'? To specify, which other characters do/did people like enough to post in their respective threads?

I for one read through this and the Samara thread, almost exclusively (aside from a few one-off screen cap dumps in a couple of others).

[NICKjnp]

I'm a Samara thread poster and I also like Jack.... but I hate Tali.

Also... can anyone link the Jack fan group so I can join it.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 14 avril 2010 - 11:22 .

[Gethforceone]

Jack is really only characters thread I post in.

[MHRazer]

NICKjnp wrote...

I'm a Samara thread poster and I also like Jack.... but I hate Tali.

Also... can anyone link the Jack fan group so I can join it.

social.bioware.com/group/1029/

For me really it's Jack way up top the list, then pretty much everybody else jumbled in between. I don't dislike any of the characters (Except Miranda), and am not particularly attached to any others. Jack is the only character I would  really miss if left out of ME3, though as I said, I do like the rest. Mordin is particularly funny.

Modifié par MHRazer, 15 avril 2010 - 12:45 .

[Ultai]

Mondo47 wrote...



Nice trailer. Nice tight editing too. I can't help but think a pure Renegade Shep is a total douche though; he steps way past the gritty antihero role and straight into marginal villain territory.

Being mostly a main paragade (there are good renegade options) doing this pure renegade playthrough is killing me. The loading screen tip about "being the ultimate badass" sure doesn't match up with how I feel sometimes.  The galaxy feels like such a dark place atm...and I still haven't gotten far enough to choose Morinth yet.  I don't care what anyone says, choosing her isn't renegade, it's just plain stupid and treacherous to Samara.

[gneissguy2003]

Ultai wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...



Nice trailer. Nice tight editing too. I can't help but think a pure Renegade Shep is a total douche though; he steps way past the gritty antihero role and straight into marginal villain territory.

Being mostly a main paragade (there are good renegade options) doing this pure renegade playthrough is killing me. The loading screen tip about "being the ultimate badass" sure doesn't match up with how I feel sometimes.  The galaxy feels like such a dark place atm...and I still haven't gotten far enough to choose Morinth yet.  I don't care what anyone says, choosing her isn't renegade, it's just plain stupid and treacherous to Samara.

That's the reason I will never again play a default Shepard in ME2 instead of a carry-over from ME1. The galaxy the default Shepard lives in is so damn depressing. Wrex is dead, the Council is dead, no one trusts you, everyone is at each other's throats. The whole damn galaxy just seems like it's on the verge of going down the toilet. Never again. It also doesn't make me feel very hopeful for the default Shepard they'll make in ME3 because if they follow the same concept as they did in ME2 then that'll just be about the most depressing galaxy to have to try to save. I'd rather just let the Reapers wipe everyone out so maybe the next big civilization can have a better chance.

[DarthCaine]

Azint wrote...

how do you think it would affect her in the next game?

She'll probably just send you a different email

Personally, I'd really love it if you paragon romanced her she becomes more paragon in ME3

If Liara could go from a nerd to total b!tch, why can't Jack do the opposite ?
(I'm not saying Jack's a b!tch, or that she should be a nerd, I'm just saying that Liara's transormation was big)

Modifié par DarthCaine, 15 avril 2010 - 12:53 .

[DarthCaine]

Gethforceone wrote...

Jack is really only characters thread I post in.

I'm a Jack fan, and I don't normally post in character threads (except when I annoy Tali cultists).

I just don't really see what's there to talk about (except when someone posts some funny stuff or cool artwork)

[GodWood]

Azint wrote...
how do you think it would affect her in the next game?

I paragon romanced her but I barely want her to change at all.
I like the tattoos, the shaved head, the sarcastic bitter attitude, all that I'd want to change is that Jack now knows no matter how much of an arse the world is to her and no matter what she does she'll have someone to support her and watch her back.

Modifié par GodWood, 15 avril 2010 - 01:05 .

[DarthCaine]

GodWood wrote...

I paragon romanced her but I barely want her to change at all.
I like the tattoos, the shaved head, the sarcastic bitter attitude, all that I'd want to change is that Jack now knows no matter how much of an arse the world is to her and no matter what she does she'll have someone to support her and watch her back.

It's not the looks or the swearing (I love the swearing), it's just that I want her to stop robbing ships and going on killing sprees

BTW, heal Jack, everybody:
http://social.biowar...ndex/2071872/19

Modifié par DarthCaine, 15 avril 2010 - 01:09 .

[Booglarize]

yorkj86 wrote...

Nerdy Jack. She would be the token girl in the D&D group, who got invited because the DM has a crush on her. She emasculates everyone, and her character is a total dick. Afterward, when everything has fallen apart, everyone will pretend the whole fiasco never happened, while cradling their character sheets.  Jack watches, from a distance, sneering.

I don't know where that all came from, but I'm quite lucid right now.

Would you say that Jack is the kind of person who would rape a gnome?

/strictly in a D&D game, of course

[royceclemens]

Adriano, I've only ever posted on another character's thread once, and that was only because the guy who voiced Garrus was on JUSTIFIED last week. I thought the kids on the Garrus thread would like to hear that. They seem nice and decidedly not insane.



The thing, though, is that I wasn't really aware that there were factions behind the ME1 characters until a couple of weeks leading up to ME2's release. I mean, I kinda looked on all of the ME1 characters with equal ambivalence as that game was pretty much a test-run for the newfangled conversation wheel. They spent a lot of time talking and a whole lot less time really saying anything. I didn't really care about any of them nearly as much as the band of plucky outsiders in JADE EMPIRE. But that was cool, the draw was that BioWare was trying new things.



So when I found out Tali had this massive, seething throng built up around her, I was like "Really? The walking Quarian history textbook that can open crates for you?" So every once in a while I go to teh Tali thread in the futile hope that I can gain some insight into her ME1 appeal outside of the accent and Dem Hips. I've been tempted to comment, but I don't think my usual method of in-depth analysis would go over well there. It's like the dialogue in a Diablo Cody movie. No one really talks to anyone. They just emit non sequiturs to the open air.



And this is why I stay here.

[BobbyTheI]

yorkj86 wrote...

Nerdy Jack. She would be the token girl in the D&D group, who got invited because the DM has a crush on her. She emasculates everyone, and her character is a total dick. Afterward, when everything has fallen apart, everyone will pretend the whole fiasco never happened, while cradling their character sheets.  Jack watches, from a distance, sneering.

I don't know where that all came from, but I'm quite lucid right now.

Jack at a D&D session puts in the mind of Carlos the Dwarf.

[Jackal904]

GodWood wrote...

Azint wrote...
how do you think it would affect her in the next game?

I paragon romanced her but I barely want her to change at all.
I like the tattoos, the shaved head, the sarcastic bitter attitude, all that I'd want to change is that Jack now knows no matter how much of an arse the world is to her and no matter what she does she'll have someone to support her and watch her back.

I too still want Jack to keep the tattoos, the shaved head, and the in-your-face attitude. But I would also like to see some changes caused by you romancing her. Like she could be less veangeful and a bit less violent. She should feel more comfortable expressing her feelings to Shepard, and she should feel more comfortable socializing with other squadmates.

About the topic of ME2 characters in ME3; There are so many variations of character dispositions that can be carried over to ME3. A character can be dead, loyal, unloyal, romanced, romanced and then broken up with, loyalty lost due to an arguement or failed loyalty quest. Some characters BioWare could get away with not having to make significant differences in their attitude and dialogue in ME3 based on your actions in ME2 that were related to them. Jack on the other hand, she tends to flow along the extremes. There should be a significant difference in her attitude and dialogue based an actions you took with her in ME2. If she is unloyal because you didn't do her loyalty mission, she may or may not leave, she may grow increasingly unstable and anxious, making her become a liability. If you lose her loyalty because you took Miranda's side then she would probably leave in ME3. She would also probably leave if you had casual sex with her or romanced her and then broke up with her, especially if you broke up with her when she comes to you in your cabin, that is just harsh. I'm not sure what she would be like if she's loyal and you don't romance her. If you do romance her then she would definitely stay and have a better outlook on life now that she has someone who she knows genuinely cares about her.

Booglarize wrote...

Would you say that Jack is the kind of person who would rape a gnome?

/strictly in a D&D game, of course

Lmao that was hilarious.

Modifié par Jackal904, 15 avril 2010 - 02:12 .