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[MHRazer]

Jackal904 wrote...

MHRazer wrote...

Now maybe if she got Samara to a point where she had beaten her, Samara was defenseless, and all that was left was to deal the final blow - then Jack might hesitate. But I imagine that would only be if Shepard had changed her a bit through the Paragon romance, because if not Jack says she always does "the smart thing," and letting Samara live to try and kill you again another day would definitely not be the smart thing. 

That's what I'm refering too. Once the fight gets going I don't think Jack will suddenly stop right in the middle of the fight. But if Jack were to get Samara in a position where Samara is down for the count, and all Jack would need to do is deal the killing blow, then I think Jack would hesitate, and then Samara would probably take that opportunity to knock Jack in a position where she can deal the final blow.

It's like in the fight between Samara and Morinth where Samara knocks Morinth to the ground and walks over her and deals that final, killing blow.

Of course Jack could kill Samara outright before a scenario like that even pops up.

Yeah, I agree it's possible that she'd hesitate before killing her. But I was talking more where Samara is bloodied on the ground, in a state where she couldn't strike back at Jack if she wanted to. If she could get up and fight back, Jack would never stop. But that's assuming Jack could beat Samara like that, which is still up in the air. 

Either way, my guess is that jack wouldn't hesitate regardless. Her will to survive is extremely powerful, and I still think she'd do "the smart thing" and just finish it, rather than leaving her to fight another day. 

Modifié par MHRazer, 16 avril 2010 - 04:45 .

[royceclemens]

Jackal904 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

To be honest?  I wouldn't count Tali out.  And yes, I'm dead serious.

Lol really? Would you mind elaborating? Unless she creates an army of drones I don't she how she stands a fraction of a chance against Jack. In fact if all squadmates were to just have a giant free for all, I'd say Tali would be the first to go. Well, actually probably Jacob would die first, then Tali.

I'm not saying Tali definitely would win.  I'm saying Tali technically could win.  Is my reasoning on this convoluted, wacky and potentially stupid?  Probably, but let's see if I can't lay it out as best I can.

1. Tali has AI Hacking.

2. This means she can overheat an AI's circuitry and central processors remotely, so that it couldn't distinguish friend from foe.  This is different from Overload, which is just an electrical pulse.

3. Which means, technically (as I don't know the game's science behind AI hacking) that she can heat metal from across the room.

4. The protein transferrin carries an element absorbed in the duodenum to cells in the human bloodstream... The element in question being iron.

5. So technically, Tali could kill Jack, Miranda, Jacob or any other human being on board the Normandy by essentially boiling them alive inside their own skin.

I could be wrong, my assessment of the principles of AI Hacking could be mistaken (as there's no such thing as AI and thus, no such way to hack it) and I could have failed four different science classes simply writing all this down and Jack would win in a walk... But if I'm right, then essentially it's a quick-draw contest.

The question being could Jack raise her arm quicker than Tali could move her finger on an omni-tool?

Modifié par royceclemens, 16 avril 2010 - 05:45 .

[royceclemens]

yorkj86 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...
overheat

It's a virus, or something that remotely hijacks control of any/all system(s).

My God, it all makes sense now.  Tali is Jeff Goldblum.

Which means if Jacob says "Welcome to Earf" at anytime during ME3, I will crap my pants.

[Epantiras]

Wow I'm loosing track of the conversation! So many posts every day :-)

And... wtf Samara hijacked the thread?

[Jackal904]

royceclemens wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

To be honest?  I wouldn't count Tali out.  And yes, I'm dead serious.

Lol really? Would you mind elaborating? Unless she creates an army of drones I don't she how she stands a fraction of a chance against Jack. In fact if all squadmates were to just have a giant free for all, I'd say Tali would be the first to go. Well, actually probably Jacob would die first, then Tali.

I'm not saying Tali definitely would win.  I'm saying Tali technically could win.  Is my reasoning on this convoluted, wacky and potentially stupid?  Probably, but let's see if I can't lay it out as best I can.

1. Tali has AI Hacking.

2. This means she can overheat an AI's circuitry and central processors remotely, so that it couldn't distinguish friend from foe.  This is different from Overload, which is just an electrical pulse.

3. Which means, technically (as I don't know the game's science behind AI hacking) that she can heat metal from across the room.

4. The protein transferrin carries an element absorbed in the duodenum to cells in the human bloodstream... The element in question being iron.

5. So technically, Tali could kill Jack, Miranda, Jacob or any other human being on board the Normandy by essentially boiling them alive inside their own skin.

I could be wrong, my assessment of the principles of AI Hacking could be mistaken (as there's no such thing as AI and thus, no such way to hack it) and I could have failed four different science classes simply writing all this down and Jack would win in a walk... But if I'm right, then essentially it's a quick-draw contest.

The question being could Jack raise her arm quicker than Tali could move her finger on an omni-tool?

Yeah..... I think it just takes control of computers by wirelessly gaining control of them. If what you're saying is possible I think it would be usable on organics. And combat would become trivial since you could just flick your wrist and the enemy melts. I highly doubt BioWare even thought that deep when designing the ability. I think you just made some science geeks cry .

[Mondo47]

royceclemens wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...
overheat

It's a virus, or something that remotely hijacks control of any/all system(s).

My God, it all makes sense now.  Tali is Jeff Goldblum.

Which means if Jacob says "Welcome to Earf" at anytime during ME3, I will crap my pants.

"PEACE!"

Seriously, I've not heard a fat lady yet.

Actually, I can shunt in another ID4 quote, if we want to roll this back to the Jackmance -

"All you need is love. John Lennon. Smart man, shot in the back, very sad."

Honestly, I've seen that movie about four times, I can remember almost the whole of the script (because it's on a par with dialogue from a commercial).

Elvis has left the building.

[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

Wow I'm loosing track of the conversation! So many posts every day :-)
And... wtf Samara hijacked the thread?

No, it was relevant to the discussion.  Samaratans wouldn't do such a thing!

Yeah it was relevant, believe it or not. We were analyzing Samara and her devotion to the Code to speculate whether or not she would try and kill Jack when she isn't sworn to Shepard anymore.

[Mondo47]

Jackal904 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

Wow I'm loosing track of the conversation! So many posts every day :-)
And... wtf Samara hijacked the thread?

No, it was relevant to the discussion.  Samaratans wouldn't do such a thing!

Yeah it was relevant, believe it or not. We were analyzing Samara and her devotion to the Code to speculate whether or not she would try and kill Jack when she isn't sworn to Shepard anymore.

And whether the grand old lady of merciless executions could actually polish off our favorite little firecracker

There was a little more talk on other Godzilla Vs. Megalon what-if battles, but I vetoed the naturally-arising Jack Vs. Miranda prizefight after seeing what happened to it in another thread last night (it went into bondage territory shockingly fast)... not that I had anything to do with that... nonononono

Modifié par Mondo47, 16 avril 2010 - 06:46 .

[Epantiras]

Jackal904 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

Wow I'm loosing track of the conversation! So many posts every day :-)
And... wtf Samara hijacked the thread?

No, it was relevant to the discussion.  Samaratans wouldn't do such a thing!

Yeah it was relevant, believe it or not. We were analyzing Samara and her devotion to the Code to speculate whether or not she would try and kill Jack when she isn't sworn to Shepard anymore.

Uhm, my Bioware senses tell me that we'll have to choose one of them or paragon/renegade talk them into giving up fighting each other.
As someone else has already said, in the latest Bioware game no character has pulled a Sagacious Zou. Dammit, I wished I could have romanced him instead of Sky 9_9

[LiquidGrape]

Epantiras wrote...
As someone else has already said, in the latest Bioware game no character has pulled a Sagacious Zou. Dammit, I wished I could have romanced him instead of Sky 9_9

I second that notion.
With a vengeance.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 16 avril 2010 - 06:51 .

[Jackal904]

What about handicap matches? Like Jacks vs. two or more other squadmates. Because one on one I think Jack would destroy everyone except Samara. Or! What about Jack vs. Liara? Liara has kind of become beastmode in ME2. But I'm assuming her biotics are not near Samara's, therefore I think Jack would whoop Liara.

[Mondo47]

I'm sensing a potential beat-'em-up game here!

I've never been a huge fan of those games, but while I was at university one of the guys I lived with loved them; he had four consoles on the go at any one time (including a Dreamcast) and he was a diva at them. Until he got Bloody Roar 3. And I discovered the character Uranus. One night I hammered him 37 rounds to nil because that character was so OTT it wasn't true. And oddly enough, she was an engineered science experiment running amok.

I sense a gamebreaker here too

Modifié par Mondo47, 16 avril 2010 - 07:15 .

[Ilzairspar]

Jackal904 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

Wow I'm loosing track of the conversation! So many posts every day :-)
And... wtf Samara hijacked the thread?

No, it was relevant to the discussion.  Samaratans wouldn't do such a thing!

Yeah it was relevant, believe it or not. We were analyzing Samara and her devotion to the Code to speculate whether or not she would try and kill Jack when she isn't sworn to Shepard anymore.

OK here we go with my IMHO.

Samara has no reason to kill Jack after she is no longer sworn to Shepard for one reason.

Shepard got Jack from Purgatory, a prison.  Therefore she was paying for all her previous crimes when she was recruited.  Since she has already paid for her previous crimes, Jack would need to break NEW crimes for Samara to have to go after her.  

Keep Jack out of "trouble" and no fighting after the fact.  Pragia doesn't count because no one owned it anymore and the mercs shot first.

[Kudara]

I honestly think alot of people here have the wrong idea about Samara and the Code.



If you speak to the Asari around the spaceport you find out the Code is intertwined with Asari morality and ethics. Officer Dara tells you that no just Asari would ever argue with an Justicars actions, and the Code represents the Asari's highest ideals.



Samara is an enforcer of Asari ideals, nothing more nothing less. She acts in complete accordance with Asari cultural ideals. And the first thing she does when going out of Asari space is to take the Oath of Subsumation to Shepard which conveniently allows her to not have to enforce Asari ideals on other races.



I know she talks about doing stuff outside of Asari space but I really think the writers dropped the ball on their own feet with those comments. Following the Code she should go right back into Asari space and continue on with stopping the unjust and protecting the innocent.



Jack is most likely perfectly safe.

[Ultai]

I wonder, if Samara wasn't sworn to Shep and she found out about the warden's dirty secret, would she kill him and the blue suns? And what would she do with the prisoners?

Nvm, I haven't ran through a modded version yet by getting Samara, Thane and etc and taken them to the early recruits, york answered that question sorta ;p

Modifié par Ultai, 16 avril 2010 - 07:54 .

[Kudara]

Ultai wrote...

I wonder, if Samara wasn't sworn to Shep and she found out about the warden's dirty secret, would she kill him and the blue suns? And what would she do with the prisoners?

Nvm, I haven't ran through a modded version yet by getting Samara, Thane and etc and taken them to the early recruits, york answered that question sorta ;p

She would try and kill him because he was being unjust.  If you take her early she mentions when she sees the guards beating up on that guy that if it weren't for her oath to you the (the guards) would already be dead.

[Pacifien]

Well, how a Justicar would use the Code outside of Asari space was the greatest worry other Asari had about a Justicar working outside of Asari space. There doesn't seem to be a precedent. Conversations with Samara would indicate that she'd uphold the Code just as strongly with non-Asari, so I'd say Warden Kuril wouldn't have much chance.

As for Samara vs. Jack, I actually lean more toward Samara. Jack is powerful, but undisciplined. Samara doesn't have to defeat Jack on raw biotic power, which I think is comparable, just has to wait for Jack to make a mistake.

The real question that Wrex wants to know is who'd win a fight: Jack or Shepard?

[Mak999]

Pacifien wrote...
The real question that Wrex wants to know is who'd win a fight: Jack or Shepard?

Why Jack fight with him?

Modifié par Mak999, 16 avril 2010 - 08:06 .

[Ultai]

Mak999 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
The real question that Wrex wants to know is who'd win a fight: Jack or Shepard?

Why Jack fight with him?

Guess you haven't played ME1 or if you have, you might remember some of Wrex's "who'd win in a fight" elevator conversations ;p

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Ultai, 16 avril 2010 - 08:15 .

[Mondo47]

Ultai wrote...

Mak999 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
The real question that Wrex wants to know is who'd win a fight: Jack or Shepard?

Why Jack fight with him?

Guess you haven't played ME1 or haven't heard the elevator conversations in that game

www.youtube.com/watch

I somehow imagine that particular fight would be called out as a double forfeit by Wrex, considering such a duel would doubtlessly make both combatants a little hot and bothered, leading to an impromptu outbreak of the proverbial peacetime makeout session

[gneissguy2003]

Mondo47 wrote...

Ultai wrote...

Mak999 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
The real question that Wrex wants to know is who'd win a fight: Jack or Shepard?

Why Jack fight with him?

Guess you haven't played ME1 or haven't heard the elevator conversations in that game

www.youtube.com/watch

I somehow imagine that particular fight would be called out as a double forfeit by Wrex, considering such a duel would doubtlessly make both combatants a little hot and bothered, leading to an impromptu outbreak of the proverbial peacetime makeout session

Yes, but which one has reach and which has flexibility?