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[Mondo47]

Pacifien wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

It makes no sense that Miranda would outlive Wrex. Wrex is a freaking krogan. Miranda is a biotic and I guess the big arguement against Jack was that she was a biotic therefore she requires a lot of food. Yeah well so does Miranda.

Pfffft, and the way Jack dies in that stupid contest is that Miranda kills her. Jack would wipe the floor with Miranda. And they voted off Grunt too even though he is also a damn Krogan. Logic would state that if anything, Grunt and Wrex would easily out-live everyone else.

I always forget that Miranda is a lot more popular than I'd ever give her credit for. I can't really fathom it: don't have the right chromosomes, brain in the wrong place to truly appreciate her, I guess. Do think Jack would win in a fight. While I think someone with fighting discipline could get the better of Jack (Shepard, Samara, Thane), I don't see Miranda being in quite that same league.

I did vote off the Krogans. And it's my plan to vote off the Biotics. This is where my love of a certain Salarian comes into play.

If it's any consolation, there's a Mass Effect Hurt or Heal game going on in the off-topic forum where Jack is doing quite well in comparison to Miranda.

The only way Miranda would make her way out as the winner of a season of Survivor would be if she was banging the producer...

[Mondo47]

And here's a nice pic I got last night, just to give us some Jack to look at...

[Pacifien]

She looks like she's processing a comment to determine if she should take it as an insult.

[royceclemens]

Pacifien wrote...

[I always forget that Miranda is a lot more popular than I'd ever give her credit for. I can't really fathom it: don't have the right chromosomes, brain in the wrong place to truly appreciate her, I guess. Do think Jack would win in a fight. While I think someone with fighting discipline could get the better of Jack (Shepard, Samara, Thane), I don't see Miranda being in quite that same league.

I'll give you Samara and Shepard, but Thane?  No.  Thane go crunch.  In fact, if I had to call fights for everyone against Jack...

THANE: Crunch.

MIRANDA: Ha.

JACOB: Double Ha.

LEGION: Interesting, but I'd imagine that its thinking is too concrete and wouldn't allow for abstraction and improvisation like Jack could.

SAMARA: Close, but I think Samara takes it as long as she stays at mid-range.  Up close, the fight gets more interesting.

GRUNT: Thrives on closing the gap (charging Krogan and all), which is the opposite of what you want to do with Jack.

KASUMI: Relies too much on stealth.  In a stand-up fight, she's done.

TALI: Don't count her out, and no, not for the stupid reasons I mentioned a few days ago.  I figure if she can overload FENRIS mechs and Geth, she can overload that light-up hearing aid Jack wears.  Kinda like taping a live grenade to your face.  In Jack's second alternate outfit, though, Tali's toast.

MORDIN: This fight would be less "interesting" and more "funny."

GARRUS: Far enough away and he could stand a chance.  Up close, he's mincemeat.

ZAEED: The only human on the ship who could give her a run for her money.  Deadly at long and mid-ranges and could last a while up close.  It's a coin flip.  Too close to call.

Modifié par royceclemens, 21 avril 2010 - 06:29 .

[Pacifien]

royceclemens wrote...
I'll give you Samara and Shepard, but Thane?  No.  Thane go crunch.

Well, I figured Thane would be smart enough to use the sniper rifle on Jack.

[Ultai]

Wrex is down, and now it seems Miranda is neck and neck with Garrus, ugh. I'm channeling my inner villain when I say "Why can't you just die!?!?!"

[Epantiras]

Mondo47 wrote...

Already voted - I've voted for Miranda every single time and it is all for naught - it seems there is a large block of voters out there using strategic voting to screw the whole thing. It's pointless - whoever they are, they hold all the power, and resistance truly is futile.

Why do I (almost) always agree with what you write? My whole forum activity could be simply quoting what you write and then type "this" beneath ;-)
I've noticed the same, every squad member gets aroud 10 votes excet one or two who get something like 80 votes. It's clear that there's either a group of voters using strategic voting or a single individual who managed to vote mulltiple times. It would be interesting to analyze the voting trend of the Survivor polls, but luckily I have better things to do in my life :-P

[royceclemens]

Pacifien wrote...

royceclemens wrote...
I'll give you Samara and Shepard, but Thane?  No.  Thane go crunch.

Well, I figured Thane would be smart enough to use the sniper rifle on Jack.

Provided he's sneaky, yeah it could work.  But in a straight-up fight?  Crunch.

[Nightwriter]

Hello Jack fans.

I love Jack and I've created a topic about her in my character discussion group, which I'm now inviting you all to if you'd like to talk about Jack and any and all other characters you have opinions about.


group

It'd be awesome to hear from you, concerning Jack as well as others.

[adriano_c]

royceclemens wrote...

THANE: Crunch.

If you're going to give Garrus a chance based on keeping his distance, then the same must be applied to Thane. He's what? The most deadly assassin in the galaxy or something? Can use sniper rifles?

SAMARA: Close, but I think Samara takes it as long as she stays at mid-range.  Up close, the fight gets more interesting.

What gives Samara the advantage at mid-range? Assault rifle use? Lol...

KASUMI: Relies too much on stealth.  In a stand-up fight, she's done.

I'd say the stealth is what gives her a distinct advantage. Catching Jack off-guard, discerning vulnerabilities, striking at the most opportune time.

TALI: Don't count her out, and no, not for the stupid reasons I mentioned a few days ago.  I figure if she can overload FENRIS mechs and Geth, she can overload that light-up hearing aid Jack wears.  Kinda like taping a live grenade to your face.  In Jack's second alternate outfit, though, Tali's toast.

Considering Tali's complete inability to get herself out of any sticky situation at all...I'd say thinking on her feet isn't a strong suit.

ZAEED: The only human on the ship who could give her a run for her money.  Deadly at long and mid-ranges and could last a while up close.  It's a coin flip.  Too close to call.

If Jack is destroying mechs with her bare hands up close, then by default Zaeed's a grease stain...up close.

[Firmijn]

royceclemens wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

royceclemens wrote...
I'll give you Samara and Shepard, but Thane?  No.  Thane go crunch.

Well, I figured Thane would be smart enough to use the sniper rifle on Jack.

Provided he's sneaky, yeah it could work.  But in a straight-up fight?  Crunch.

I would give the best chances to Zaeed, Garrus, Legion, and Thane. Just for their sniper rifles. Up close everyone dies by biotics. Those long range weapons are the best chance of taking her out.

Its getting an interesting discussion btw:P  "How would you kill your favorite character?"

[royceclemens]

adriano_c wrote...

If you're going to give Garrus a chance based on keeping his distance, then the same must be applied to Thane. He's what? The most deadly assassin in the galaxy or something? Can use sniper rifles?

I'm not giving Garrus a chance for hs sniper rifle.  I'm giving it to him for his assault rifle, which Thane doesn't have. A sniper rifle, while useful, is useless if someone is less than twenty feet away.  He has a submachine gun, which he can use at mid-range, but that's not his default weapon.  And if he's close enough to use it, he's close enough to get taken out by shotgun.

adriano_c wrote...

What gives Samara the advantage at mid-range? Assault rifle use? Lol...

Well, yeah.  The Vindicator is, for my money, the best weapon in the game that isn't the Widow.  It's practically a sniper rifle with no scope and eight deadly accurate and highly powerful bursts before reload, which can free it up for any number of ranges.  Plus Reave is an x-factor, as it's instantaneous.  All of Jack's powers have to travel.

adriano_c wrote...

I'd say the stealth is what gives her a distinct advantage. Catching Jack off-guard, discerning vulnerabilities, striking at the most opportune time.

Stealth only works if you don't know the other person is there.  In a stand-up fight, that advantage is lost.  If someone tactical cloaked in front of me, I'd start firing wildly, and being that Jack has an Eviscerator with a wide spread, you could tag Kasumi before she got to you.  Yeah, Kasumi could use the tali-defense, but you know as well as I do that wouldn't be her first resort.

adriano_c wrote...

Considering Tali's complete inability to get herself out of any sticky situation at all...I'd say thinking on her feet isn't a strong suit.

I'm not saying that T-Bone is a tactical mastermind by any stretch of the imagination.  She can't lead a squad to save her wide, space-elf ass (then again, neither could Jack).  But I am saying that she's a whiz with electrical devices, which Jack would do well not to attach to her skull if she wanted to fight Tali.

adriano_c wrote...

If Jack is destroying mechs with her bare hands up close, then by default Zaeed's a grease stain...up close.

And I'd agree with you if this were a cut-scene and not a fight.

Modifié par royceclemens, 21 avril 2010 - 07:29 .

[adriano_c]

Wait a second, is this all based on in-game combat mechanics?

-edit. I was speaking more in general terms, while you seem to be using in-game stuff for some arguments, but not for others...?

Modifié par adriano_c, 21 avril 2010 - 07:36 .

[Mondo47]

Epantiras wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

Already voted - I've voted for Miranda every single time and it is all for naught - it seems there is a large block of voters out there using strategic voting to screw the whole thing. It's pointless - whoever they are, they hold all the power, and resistance truly is futile.

Why do I (almost) always agree with what you write? My whole forum activity could be simply quoting what you write and then type "this" beneath ;-)
I've noticed the same, every squad member gets aroud 10 votes excet one or two who get something like 80 votes. It's clear that there's either a group of voters using strategic voting or a single individual who managed to vote mulltiple times. It would be interesting to analyze the voting trend of the Survivor polls, but luckily I have better things to do in my life :-P

Well, I've had a look at the previous polls... it seems the mystery voting block appeared after the third day of voting - just in time to overwhelmingly eliminate Jack. Less than 24 hours after Tali was eated up. Now I'm not one to wag accusations willy-nilly, nor am I jumping up and down saying that the Talimancers are rat-soup-eating melon-pickers (most of the ones I've spoken with seem like standup people), but it does look a little Colonel Mustard in the Study with the Revolver...

Unless someone else is pullin' strings.

Anyways, that's all my negativity done for one day - have a saucy Motivational to perk you up

[Mak999]

Mondo47 wrote...
Anyways, that's all my negativity done for one day - have a saucy Motivational to perk you up

Thanks, this is just a ray of light in the darkness.

[Epantiras]

Mondo47 wrote...
Unless someone else is pullin' strings.

It's CEILING TIM!!

[royceclemens]

adriano_c wrote...

Wait a second, is this all based on in-game combat mechanics?

-edit. I was speaking more in general terms, while you seem to be using in-game stuff for some arguments, but not for others...?

Pretty much, yeah.

I'm trying to use in-game stuff while compensating for some of the x-factors, like the T-Bone Defense.  Yeah, my proposition is a cheap-shot wing-and-a-prayer, but sometimes that's all you need.  I'm not saying T-Bone would have the presence of mind to go straight for the hearing aid, but on the off-chance she does, Jack is at best incapacitated and at worst dead.

And just as a rule, I don't trust cutscenes. 
http://tvtropes.org/...nePowerToTheMax

[Mondo47]

royceclemens wrote...

adriano_c wrote...

Wait a second, is this all based on in-game combat mechanics?

-edit. I was speaking more in general terms, while you seem to be using in-game stuff for some arguments, but not for others...?

Pretty much, yeah.

I'm trying to use in-game stuff while compensating for some of the x-factors, like the T-Bone Defense.  Yeah, my proposition is a cheap-shot wing-and-a-prayer, but sometimes that's all you need.  I'm not saying T-Bone would have the presence of mind to go straight for the hearing aid, but on the off-chance she does, Jack is at best incapacitated and at worst dead.

And just as a rule, I don't trust cutscenes. 
http://tvtropes.org/...nePowerToTheMax

If you go by cutscene power, Jack should be able to slaughter just about everything and everyone; she destroys a series of heavy mechs, a small army of mercs and causes critical damage to a space platform just making for the exit sign. Thane can take down small groups in close combat using guns elegantly and mixed melee abilities. Legion can blow heads off at range (yet a right hook can deactivate him). Samara can levitate herself and others... oh, and furniture too. Zaeed can shoot well even when pissed off and beat up unarmed batarians. Garrus can hold off an army of mercs for several days at a choke point. Kasumi does impossible acrobatics and deactivates high tech. Tali cries. Miranda slings asari about, executes traitors and takes her top off. Grunt beats Shep up, beats Uvenk up, headbutts windows and in one questionable medium at least one-shot a thresher-maw. Jacob can shoot light mechs up and show them the "good stuff." Mordin has a mean right hook and has no qualms about shooting pupils in the face.

Looking at that lot, Jack is deadlier that almost the entire crew combined. It also demonstrates cutscene disparity - with powers like that, why bother bringing Shep back from the dead?

[royceclemens]

Mondo47 wrote...

If you go by cutscene power, Jack should be able to slaughter just about everything and everyone; she destroys a series of heavy mechs, a small army of mercs and causes critical damage to a space platform just making for the exit sign. Thane can take down small groups in close combat using guns elegantly and mixed melee abilities. Legion can blow heads off at range (yet a right hook can deactivate him). Samara can levitate herself and others... oh, and furniture too. Zaeed can shoot well even when pissed off and beat up unarmed batarians. Garrus can hold off an army of mercs for several days at a choke point. Kasumi does impossible acrobatics and deactivates high tech. Tali cries. Miranda slings asari about, executes traitors and takes her top off. Grunt beats Shep up, beats Uvenk up, headbutts windows and in one questionable medium at least one-shot a thresher-maw. Jacob can shoot light mechs up and show them the "good stuff." Mordin has a mean right hook and has no qualms about shooting pupils in the face.

I laughed.  I'm man enough to admit it.

[Mondo47]

royceclemens wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

If you go by cutscene power, Jack should be able to slaughter just about everything and everyone; she destroys a series of heavy mechs, a small army of mercs and causes critical damage to a space platform just making for the exit sign. Thane can take down small groups in close combat using guns elegantly and mixed melee abilities. Legion can blow heads off at range (yet a right hook can deactivate him). Samara can levitate herself and others... oh, and furniture too. Zaeed can shoot well even when pissed off and beat up unarmed batarians. Garrus can hold off an army of mercs for several days at a choke point. Kasumi does impossible acrobatics and deactivates high tech. Tali cries. Miranda slings asari about, executes traitors and takes her top off. Grunt beats Shep up, beats Uvenk up, headbutts windows and in one questionable medium at least one-shot a thresher-maw. Jacob can shoot light mechs up and show them the "good stuff." Mordin has a mean right hook and has no qualms about shooting pupils in the face.

I laughed.  I'm man enough to admit it.

I'm still in ****-mode, obviously

Seriously though, based on cutscene power, if you throw just Jack, Grunt and Garrus at the Collectors, the bugboys are, to use a popular turn of phrase, ****ed - good and hard. Shepard can go retire to Rannoch with Boo Bubblehead for all the galaxy cares, because with those three on the job, any foe is boned. They're like The A Team on crack... a truckload of it.

Just imagine that Fight for the Lost trail with Grunt, Thane and Shep, only with Garrus doing the mid to long range, Grunt doing the short with his shotgun, and Jack doing the close and personal with biotics. Poor, poor Collectors. Total frigging bloodbath, ending with that shot of the Collector ship:

Garrus, Grunt and Jack look at the Collector vessel, hovering with evil intent over the colony...

Garrus: That's... big.

Grunt: Hah! More bugs to crush!

Jack: (cracking knuckles) Oh yeah... I can break that. Gimme ten minutes in there.

Garrus: Shall we? No time like the present...

The trio draw weapons and advance.

With cutscene powers like that, who ever needed Shepard?

[Torrential]

Okay this is a semi serious, but hopefully slightly original question to anyone who cares about the character.



Name three bands, groups or artists, you could see Jack listening too if she showed up in your apartment, room, house, wherever. What I'm after is an angle that isn't all business to the character, in a form I can relate too, moreover other peoples opinions on that side of her personality.



I wanted to ask movies as well, but I struggle to see her taking any movie seriously enough to be worth it .