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[OneDrunkMonk]

I love the CGI Hi-Rez Jack trailer. She looked great, better than ingame. My only beef is that all the trailers pre game release make all the team members appear to be one dimensional "I love to fight...For Shepard." It's like Bioware or EA really wanted to sell people on the whole bad-@ss 'tude and 3rd person shooter action so all those Modern Warfare kiddies would pick up a copy of ME2. Glad to discover that the characters had way more depth.

[royceclemens]

MHRazer wrote...

JakeMacDon wrote...

Those moments of Jack's - stepping off the shuttle on Pragia, her trepadacious and suspicious looks at Shepard when he's "wooing" her, and my favorite: when she's at the end of her confession about Murtock and asks Shepard if he's "ever seen her flinch", and a few moments later he steps closer and she flinches.  Gets me every time.

How have I not noticed that yet? 

Will make a point of looking out for that next time I have that conversation.

And welcome to the thread! Generally a good sign when someone's first post is that insightful. Hope you stick around=]

Indeed.  Now I have to play through again.  Not that it's any trouble at all.  Damn if Jack ain't the gift that keeps on giving.

And if I may say, Jake, that my worries about "saving" vs. "romance" are a little less than yours.  Remember that it's never about what Jack says, but what Jack means.  She asks derisively if you "have feelings" for her.  Being that Jack's declarative statements provide more misdirection than truth, that is her way of bald-facedly stating that she has feelings for you.  Healing is a complex process, and whether or not she's ready for a textbook relationship is a question that we can't answer for her.  She has to answer it for herself.  If she wants to be with you and you want to be with her, I don't see as there's a real problem.

But yeah, come on by more often.  Thanks for the shout-out.  We'll throw something on the grill for ya.

[Cypher0020]

Does Jack really flinch during the mission? I remember her remarks about her old child hood cell was really moving...



I can't imagine Jack as a kid crying under her desk....

[Mak999]

The video with Jack there is no scar on his upper lip?

[Gethforceone]

I prefer the in-game model.

[Errationatus]

MHRazer wrote...
How have I not noticed that yet? 

Will make a point of looking out for that next time I have that conversation.

And welcome to the thread! Generally a good sign when someone's first post is that insightful. Hope you stick around

Thank you, I just may. 

I'll save you the long playthrough (unless you really wanna):  - that's the Paragon version though - to get her saying it and that flinch/step back at the end of it, you have to pick the Renegade options.

[Errationatus]

royceclemens wrote...

Indeed.  Now I have to play through again.  Not that it's any trouble at all.  Damn if Jack ain't the gift that keeps on giving.

Indeed she is.  In my opinion, the more nuances I find, (or think I find) the more my satisfaction at having spent good money on a good game grows.

And if I may say, Jake, that my worries about "saving" vs. "romance" are a little less than yours.  Remember that it's never about what Jack says, but what Jack means.  She asks derisively if you "have feelings" for her.  Being that Jack's declarative statements provide more misdirection than truth, that is her way of bald-facedly stating that she has feelings for you.  Healing is a complex process, and whether or not she's ready for a textbook relationship is a question that we can't answer for her.  She has to answer it for herself.  If she wants to be with you and you want to be with her, I don't see as there's a real problem.

Well, Royce, as you have ably demonstrated often enough in this thread, your analysis is very likely correct.   It's one of those "things" - and it very likely goes back to those nuances I was speaking of - that kinda crawls into my craw and won't go away - and one of those fecking annoyances that likes to whisper all along with me being unable to put my finger on exactly where or why it keeps suggesting itself.  It may tie into that "did they or didn't they" discussion (which i think is fairly irrelevant - who cares?  Relationships built solely on sex usually involve either Republicans or the exchance of cash or both - I'm more interested in these people as people, people!), and it may not.  Or it could simply be my dissatisfaction that the relationship arc between them wasn't four hours like I would have liked, and it's subconsciously flitting through my echoing noggin as a 'fault' wherein none actually exists.
Or I could be insane.  I've discounted none of it.  <_<

Oh, one other thing - and I don't know if anyone's talked about this yet, but it's something that just occured to me, and it points again to the great work done on this character: 

Despite it all, despite the rape, the murder, the slaughter, the torture and all the self-crappifying; internal torture, flaying and recriminations real or imagined - despite all the things she's lost, had taken from her or self-discarded, there is one thing Jack never gave up:  hope.  It's not strong and it's deeply buried, but it's there.  Because no matter how mighty Big Shep's mojo is, or how silvery smooth his tongue, if Jack had lost all hope, she would have been a corpse a long bleed'n time ago, one way or another, and no one could have saved her from it.

I think it's true, and it does nothing but point to the true depth of character this character possesses.
Just me outgassing - don't worry about it. 

But yeah, come on by more often.  Thanks for the shout-out.  We'll throw something on the grill for ya.

Thank you kindly.  Provided I have something of substance to say, I shall try to be a tad more active.  Otherwise, I'll just do what me mum told me and enjoy y'all until then.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 22 avril 2010 - 07:03 .

[Errationatus]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Does Jack really flinch during the mission? I remember her remarks about her old child hood cell was really moving...

I can't imagine Jack as a kid crying under her desk....

It's not a "flinch" in the way you might think - more an emotional one that translated out into a moment of indecision and hesitation on Jack's part whilst struggling to figure out just WTF Shepard's up to and why he keeps at it. 

For Jack, shockwaving thirty blue-clad jagoffs straight to hell is nowhere as unnerving as one man doing something as simple as (metaphorically) saying:  "Believe it or not, you can have this - if you want it, on your own terms.  And it's as real as it gets."

Like she said, death is easy - relationships are frigg'n hard.

[iNixiRir]

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[Mondo47]

Ultai wrote...
I wonder what her ink looks like on her legs

I've not gone hairless about the tamer love scenes in ME2, but for the reason we only ever see half of her, I think a nude scene (tastefully done, mind you) would be worthwhile... just enough to give some tantalizing glimpses of the other scars, implant points and tattoos she must have. We've all seen how naked she looks without the ink, so it'd probably not really register as being overly naughty... Jack's body is her own illustrated biography, and I think for those reasons alone we're not "bad" people if we want to see more of her.

[scmadsen]

I've thought about this some. I'd really like to see what she looks like without pants. I want to see the rest of her tattoos.

[LiquidGrape]

Heck, I still think that Miranda's outfit was by far the most tasteless thing about Mass Effect 2; seeing Jack in the nude would actually just have improved my impression of the game.

If done right, it could've been a quite intimate moment.

[MHRazer]

scmadsen wrote...

I'd really like to see what she looks like without pants.

I'm sorry, that sentence made me laugh 

I know what you meant, but it just read funny. Unfortunately I think part of the reason it will never happen is the amount of work it would likely require. I can't imagine creating all of those tattoos was easy or quick... it's not like Miranda showing some skin in her scene, since that's all she has... skin. Doing Jack's legs might be as much work as her torso, if they wanted to keep the same level of detail. (And it's Bioware; they would.)

Edit: If they ever did show what she's got on her legs, I'd rather it be through an alternate outfit, and not a sex scene. It's a video game, and I've never been much of a fan of those scenes. Makes me feel weird. Which is the reason I like Jack's so much in this game, it can be interpreted so many ways because they didn't show much. (Or, if all they did was make kissy, then they did show most of it I suppose)

Modifié par MHRazer, 22 avril 2010 - 01:31 .

[Rocket Weazle]

miranda's and Samara's outfit did make me "Wtf!"

Didn't bother me with Jack not wearing much, mainly because she wasn't "conventional" in her attractiveness, which is why she isn't as popular...

[scmadsen]

MHRazer wrote...

scmadsen wrote...

I'd really like to see what she looks like without pants.

I'm sorry, that sentence made me laugh 

I know what you meant, but it just read funny. Unfortunately I think part of the reason it will never happen is the amount of work it would likely require. I can't imagine creating all of those tattoos was easy or quick... it's not like Miranda showing some skin in her scene, since that's all she has... skin. Doing Jack's legs might be as much work as her torso, if they wanted to keep the same level of detail. (And it's Bioware; they would.)

Hehe, yes well I was trying to be a bit naughty there, wondering if anyone would notice. But really, it's not about nudity at all, it's about seeing her tattoos as a work of art. Besides, she could be wearing panties and not show anything.

[LiquidGrape]

I've actually heard some decent arguments for Samara's outfit lately (matriarchal confidence etcetera) but I never found a reasonable explanation for Miranda's.
- Bad sign if your choice of attire is less rational than a vinyl leotard. Or Jack's dungaree-bra.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 22 avril 2010 - 01:34 .

[Derumiel]

Sqeebee wrote...

i would really want to know what all her tattoos mean!

Yes, i'd love to see all tatoos and know their meaning but on the other hand: then she would lose a bit of her "mysterious appearance".

[scmadsen]

I wonder if Jack would ever sit down with Shepard, and point out each tattoo, telling the meaning behind it. Would make for some very interesting hours together.

[Derumiel]

scmadsen wrote...

I wonder if Jack would ever sit down with Shepard, and point out each tattoo, telling the meaning behind it. Would make for some very interesting hours together.

That would be a quite interesting thought. But i doubt that she'd do that directly and tell Shepard her life in detail, thats just not her character, imo.
But eventually she might open after a time and tell Shepard...

Modifié par Derumiel, 22 avril 2010 - 01:59 .

[MHRazer]

scmadsen wrote...

I wonder if Jack would ever sit down with Shepard, and point out each tattoo, telling the meaning behind it. Would make for some very interesting hours together.

I think eventually she would. Not all at once, she might get a bit... antsy... but he'd get it out of her over time.