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I wonder if Jack would ever sit down with Shepard, and point out each tattoo, telling the meaning behind it. Would make for some very interesting hours together.


She would probably reveal the significance of each one over time.  It would show that Shepard truly cares about her if he remembers the meaning of each and every one.

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I think her facial features are prettier in the in game version, but her complexion is better in the CGI version.
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Her complexion is different based on video settings and your TV. If you look at the picture I posted from when you reject her, she is much more tan, because it's from a different video than the one with Shepard's hand next to her face.

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I'll try not to sound sappy but I have a feeling deep down Jack is a very artistic person. The double slash in her eyebrow, the shaved patterns in her hair, the way her tattoos run parallel to each other down her arms and chest, and her lipstick and massacre are all evidence that she does try to be different in her own way despite just being in prison. I think Jacks secret hobby should be painting or drawing.

By the way throughout every play through in ME2 I kept asking myself who shaves those patterns in Jacks hair anyway? I keep thinking she either had her hair removed permanently with laser surgery or she is a very flexible person and puts those patterns in herself.

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Razorsedge820 wrote...

I'll try not to sound sappy but I have a feeling deep down Jack is a very artistic person. The double slash in her eyebrow, the shaved patterns in her hair, the way her tattoos run parallel to each other down her arms and chest, and her lipstick and massacre are all evidence that she does try to be different in her own way despite just being in prison. I think Jacks secret hobby should be painting or drawing.


During her loyalty mission, I actually pictured a young Jack sitting at her desk, drawing a picture of what she thought happiness would be like.

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Pacifien wrote...

Razorsedge820 wrote...

I'll try not to sound sappy but I have a feeling deep down Jack is a very artistic person. The double slash in her eyebrow, the shaved patterns in her hair, the way her tattoos run parallel to each other down her arms and chest, and her lipstick and massacre are all evidence that she does try to be different in her own way despite just being in prison. I think Jacks secret hobby should be painting or drawing.


During her loyalty mission, I actually pictured a young Jack sitting at her desk, drawing a picture of what she thought happiness would be like.

She might have drawn this;)
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Pacifien wrote...

Razorsedge820 wrote...

I'll try not to sound sappy but I have a feeling deep down Jack is a very artistic person. The double slash in her eyebrow, the shaved patterns in her hair, the way her tattoos run parallel to each other down her arms and chest, and her lipstick and massacre are all evidence that she does try to be different in her own way despite just being in prison. I think Jacks secret hobby should be painting or drawing.


During her loyalty mission, I actually pictured a young Jack sitting at her desk, drawing a picture of what she thought happiness would be like.


Now I'm sad.  Gee, thanks :crying:

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Firmijn wrote...
She might have drawn this;)
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Broccoli? Why would she think broccoli is the path to happiness? :P

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Now I'm sad.  Gee, thanks :crying:


Turns out happiness is crashing a space station into a Hanar moon.

Well, the image puts a smile on my face anyway...

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She might have drawn this;)
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Broccoli? Why would she think broccoli is the path to happiness? :P


Get outta here.  Steamed broccoli is a delight.

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yorkj86 wrote...
Now I'm sad.  Gee, thanks :crying:


Turns out happiness is crashing a space station into a Hanar moon.

Well, the image puts a smile on my face anyway...


You don't quite understand why that image makes me sad, or maybe you're just being silly.

I'm imagining Jack's poor, despaired child's-mind trying to fabricate what happiness looks like, feels like, etc. 

The human brain can't fabricate things out of nothing.  All of the things in our dreams and imagination are somehow based on things we've sensed.  But Jack hasn't sensed anything that makes her happy, maybe only indifferent, and perhaps that's when she's not being forced to fight other children, or put under for another surgical procedure.  Her relative "happy" state, then, is when she's left alone in her cell to cower under her desk and cry.

That's what makes me sad.

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I'm so curious as to what Jack looked like as a kid, or even what she looked like just a few years before you first meet her. It would be pretty interesting in ME3 to run into footage of a younger Jack committing a crime. And it would be really crazy to find footage of her when she was a kid in the Teltin facility. I wouldn't be surprised if the scientists in the Teltin facility took video footage of Jack's fights with other kids to study how far her biotics had developed. It's possible that a scientist escaped the facility when the riot started, and he took important data with him including some video footage of Jack.

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I forgot to mention that picture is amazing.

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Quite tragic, but she has the future to look forward too. What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. I happen to believe this also from tragic events in my own life. If one is willing to improve upon oneself and stay positive, than anything is possible. She is free in a physical sense and is no longer held captive. She is now in control of her own life.

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yorkj86 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
Now I'm sad.  Gee, thanks :crying:


Turns out happiness is crashing a space station into a Hanar moon.

Well, the image puts a smile on my face anyway...


You don't quite understand why that image makes me sad, or maybe you're just being silly.

I'm imagining Jack's poor, despaired child's-mind trying to fabricate what happiness looks like, feels like, etc. 

The human brain can't fabricate things out of nothing.  All of the things in our dreams and imagination are somehow based on things we've sensed.  But Jack hasn't sensed anything that makes her happy, maybe only indifferent, and perhaps that's when she's not being forced to fight other children, or put under for another surgical procedure.  Her relative "happy" state, then, is when she's left alone in her cell to cower under her desk and cry.

That's what makes me sad.


It's never mentioned what age she was taken to the facility is it?  Perhaps if old enough she could remember what it was like to be a carefree kid, but overtime forgot while in Teltin?

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It's never mentioned what age she was taken to the facility is it?  Perhaps if old enough she could remember what it was like to be a carefree kid, but overtime forgot while in Teltin?


I thought that she was admitted as an infant or very young child.   Provided that she was admitted to the Facility at an age when she could remember things, I wouldn't be surprised if everything positive has been traumatized right out of her memory, and I don't mean that in an "emo" way.  Proper trauma, as weird as that is to type.

EDIT:  Grammar.

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Quite tragic, but she has the future to look forward too. What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. I happen to believe this also from tragic events in my own life. If one is willing to improve upon oneself and stay positive, than anything is possible. She is free in a physical sense and is no longer held captive. She is now in control of her own life.


Yeah?  That's all true, but I was responding to Pacifien's comment.

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yorkj86 wrote...
You don't quite understand why that image makes me sad, or maybe you're just being silly.


Just being silly. Don't want to make someone's day sad. :unsure:

My own image I had in mind with my comment was little more than a picture of sunlight through a window. Jack sitting in the courtyard with the other kids. Scientists being torn apart in increasingly grotesque manners. Or maybe she was especially good at the fights that day, so they gave her a lollipop and she drew that.

So yeah, my own images of what constitutes a young Jack's version of happiness aren't exactly happy.

I don't figure Jack's time in Pragia was little more than one experiment after another. She learned to read. She knew enough to escape in a shuttle. Was quick to figure out survival in the broader galaxy. Wonder just what kind of biotic soldier they thought they were creating with her.

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yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
@york
Quite tragic, but she has the future to look forward too. What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. I happen to believe this also from tragic events in my own life. If one is willing to improve upon oneself and stay positive, than anything is possible. She is free in a physical sense and is no longer held captive. She is now in control of her own life.


Yeah?  That's all true, but I was responding to Pacifien's comment.

I was merely trying to uplift your spirits, not patronize you.  Didn't mean to offend.

Edit:  I should have made the statement without directing it at you specifically.

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yorkj86 wrote...

Ultai wrote...

It's never mentioned what age she was taken to the facility is it?  Perhaps if old enough she could remember what it was like to be a carefree kid, but overtime forgot while in Teltin?


I thought that she was admitted as an infant or very young child.   Provided that she was admitted to the Facility at an age when she could remember things, I wouldn't be surprised if everything positive has been traumatized right out of her memory, and I don't mean that in an "emo" way.  Proper trauma, as weird as that is to type.

EDIT:  Grammar.


When you first talk to her about her loyalty mission, she tells you that her oldest memory is waking up in a cell in the Teltin facility.

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yorkj86 wrote...

Ultai wrote...

It's never mentioned what age she was taken to the facility is it?  Perhaps if old enough she could remember what it was like to be a carefree kid, but overtime forgot while in Teltin?


I thought that she was admitted as an infant or very young child.   Provided that she was admitted to the Facility at an age when she could remember things, I wouldn't be surprised if everything positive has been traumatized right out of her memory, and I don't mean that in an "emo" way.  Proper trauma, as weird as that is to type.

EDIT:  Grammar.


When you first talk to her about her loyalty mission, she tells you that her oldest memory is waking up in a cell in the Teltin facility.


Either way, then, she was a "blank slate" for her time in Teltin.

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Ah, the BLUR model from the FFTL 3D mini-site thinger - http://masseffect.bioware.com/fftl/

One of their modelers posted it up on cghub.com

Too bad they couldn't post the smoking hot head model they've used in Jack's FFTL CGI trailer.



Amazing, I didn't even know of that mini-site. Is there any chance to download a video version of it? Just Shep's team attacking collectors, bullettime and then back into the action? Looks like they did their best to prevent us from downloading a working swf file (can't blame them).

BTW that article someone posted few pages ago was interesting, just another guy who discovered how misleading is Bioware/EA marketing!

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axl99 wrote...

Ah, the BLUR model from the FFTL 3D mini-site thinger - http://masseffect.bioware.com/fftl/

One of their modelers posted it up on cghub.com

Too bad they couldn't post the smoking hot head model they've used in Jack's FFTL CGI trailer.


Woah, I've never seen that before. Jack is badass in that. Once again showing off her awesome cutscene powers. I like her outfit in that trailer.

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I don't figure Jack's time in Pragia was little more than one experiment after another. She learned to read. She knew enough to escape in a shuttle. Was quick to figure out survival in the broader galaxy. Wonder just what kind of biotic soldier they thought they were creating with her.


You make an interesting point: exactly how much time did they spend educating Jack while she was at Pragia? As you said, she obviously knows how to read and understood something about a shuttle (or at least enough to know how to get it working and leave). If you look around her old room in Teltin, there are old papers with things written on them on her desk, and while you can't really make out what any of them are I like to think that some of them are old homework assignments one of the scientists gave her to work on. There's also a bookcase behind the desk that has a number of books on it, so she possibly read through some of those.

I wonder sometimes just how often their experiments took place. A child's body is rather resilient, but it still needs time to heal after something like invasive surgery. And while she'd be healing, I can't imagine they'd have had her fighting other kids since she'd be in a weakened state and not likely to survive a deathmatch, not to mention the complications that could occur with injecting her with drugs while her immune system is already overtaxed.

However, if one of the scientists was frequently stopping in to be her teacher, I would suspect that they possibly kept her mildly sedated (foggy in the head, but still able to think) so that her ability to use biotics was hampered and thus made the scientist working with her more able to defend himself should she try something.

And so now, on top of the mental image of a poor defenseless child being strapped to a surgical table from time to time and forced to kill other children while hopped up on drugs, I also have a picture of a young Jack in her room, alone, drugged up so she can't fight and barely able to think, watching the world outside her window through blank eyes. And from time to time, one of those bastard scientists comes by to say hello, maybe read her a story or teach her some math, thinking that somehow maybe performing this small courtesy will absolve them of all the bull**** they've done to her.

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Pacifien wrote...

I don't figure Jack's time in Pragia was little more than one experiment after another. She learned to read. She knew enough to escape in a shuttle. Was quick to figure out survival in the broader galaxy. Wonder just what kind of biotic soldier they thought they were creating with her.


You make an interesting point: exactly how much time did they spend educating Jack while she was at Pragia? As you said, she obviously knows how to read and understood something about a shuttle (or at least enough to know how to get it working and leave). If you look around her old room in Teltin, there are old papers with things written on them on her desk, and while you can't really make out what any of them are I like to think that some of them are old homework assignments one of the scientists gave her to work on. There's also a bookcase behind the desk that has a number of books on it, so she possibly read through some of those.

I wonder sometimes just how often their experiments took place. A child's body is rather resilient, but it still needs time to heal after something like invasive surgery. And while she'd be healing, I can't imagine they'd have had her fighting other kids since she'd be in a weakened state and not likely to survive a deathmatch, not to mention the complications that could occur with injecting her with drugs while her immune system is already overtaxed.

However, if one of the scientists was frequently stopping in to be her teacher, I would suspect that they possibly kept her mildly sedated (foggy in the head, but still able to think) so that her ability to use biotics was hampered and thus made the scientist working with her more able to defend himself should she try something.

And so now, on top of the mental image of a poor defenseless child being strapped to a surgical table from time to time and forced to kill other children while hopped up on drugs, I also have a picture of a young Jack in her room, alone, drugged up so she can't fight and barely able to think, watching the world outside her window through blank eyes. And from time to time, one of those bastard scientists comes by to say hello, maybe read her a story or teach her some math, thinking that somehow maybe performing this small courtesy will absolve them of all the bull**** they've done to her.


What was it Mordin said about Teltin?  Something like, "Keeping children in cells.  Unacceptable.  Absolutely unacceptable."

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Jackal - thanks for the welcome.

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And so now, on top of the mental image of a poor defenseless child being strapped to a surgical table from time to time and forced to kill other children while hopped up on drugs, I also have a picture of a young Jack in her room, alone, drugged up so she can't fight and barely able to think, watching the world outside her window through blank eyes. And from time to time, one of those bastard scientists comes by to say hello, maybe read her a story or teach her some math, thinking that somehow maybe performing this small courtesy will absolve them of all the bull**** they've done to her.

It's awful, I can't help but feel some empathy over her character.  To do this to a person is terrible in it's own right to say the least.  To do this to a child is an abomination to say the least.  It just makes it that much more tragic.