This is a thread I can believe in... At first I was iffy on who my first LI would be... I LOVE Tali as a character but I felt like that would be lame seeing as how i didn't use her in ME1 till my second male playthrough and wanted to save her for him. Miranda had a nice bod but her attitude was so stank and annoying... and we all know her hair looked like Michael Jackson. That left Ashley, Kelly, and Jack. Ashley made me sad... so I was totally cheating. Kelly was such a hoe lol. So by default I was left with Jack. I had thought she was the most pretty anyway and her extremeness didn't really effect me at all. Tats are fine by me. The bald head, the cursing, and the casualness of sex were all obvious defence mechanisms... meant to offend the meek or self righteous. But I dug... and I knew after the first breakthrough conversation that this she was the best choice. A wonderful character! Funny, conflicted, vulnerable but strong... representing a real and tragic part of the human population battered by the world... pure poetry. You have found yourselves another Jack lover my friends.
Into the Bad Girl: Jack Fans
Débuté par
Average Gatsby
, févr. 05 2010 03:24
Retour en haut
#5227
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 08:03
Mondo47
-
- Members
- 3 485 messages
Welcome to Mondo's Horrible Thought for the Day.
After reading through all your thoughts on Jack wondering what happiness might be, or what being normal might be, consider this... Jack's uplifting escape story "[...] the crew used me, then sold me."
This is a child that has known nothing but pain; cramps in fingers and toes as surgery heals, being unable to lie down or stand up because it hurts too much, waking from sleep with new canyons carved into her skin, and the sharp needle of electric shocks and the fat, warm feeling of an eye swollen shut or another burst lip. Her only comfort in life comes from a piece of furniture that has become her cave; a place she can hide from this vile existance, a place she can be the small, frightened child she is.
Then she escapes; she lets all her anger go at anything that crosses her path. She manages more by luck than judgement to get a vehicle off the ground and gets into space. Where to go? Her world of a couple of rooms and intense pain is bigger than anything she can imagine. It's impossible to comprehend. She's even smaller and more scared than she was before. She floats like a bottle in the Pacific until the other ship comes.
Now it is only implied as to what happens to Jack on the ship, but we know they would have found a half-starved girl barely into her teens (if that), probably covered in as much blood as scar tissue and medical tattooing. They clean her up, feed her, maybe not everyone on the ship was bad to her, but someone probably took advantage. Any pain she suffered there would have been nothing compared to what she went through under the knife. Besides, she wouldn't have known it was wrong. Maybe after the first time she was willing. Poor kid might have actually thought they loved her as they passed her around. Maybe it made her happy for the first time in her life; it'll have been the first affection, the first closeness, she'll have ever felt.
Go on, feel sick. It gets worse.
Maybe there's some incident that triggers it, or maybe they just get bored, no longer want to care for this child, or maybe someone thinks she'll be better off away from the ship and does it to get her away from the rest of the crew. So they sell her, probably to Batarians, since they're so hot on it (****ing Squints - bomb the ****ers into the stone age or let the Krogan invade all their colonies, see how they like it). She's told to go with these other people. Jack doesn't like the new people; they're not the ones that have looked after her so well. Maybe she puts up a fight, but whatever goes down, she ends up another slave in the belly of the slaver's vessel... more alone and bereft than she has ever been. The people that cared for her, loved her (nauseating, insn't it), cast her aside. Abandoned her. And suddenly she wishes she was back under her desk, because she is smaller, more alone, and more hurt than she has ever been in her whole life... and it doesn't get any better.
As she gets older she understands what the first crew did to her, how wrong it was. "Love" becomes a wrong thing. Sex, well, as she matures she enjoys it, but there's no "love" in it. She's not even sure that thing's real. She learns by example; everyone uses her and abandons her, so she does it first. Anyone who crosses her, especially as her powers grow, dies. Anyone that might hurt her is pushed away, sometimes terminally. Either way, it stops anyone hurting her. To Jack, there's no such thing as love. She bounces from one set of thieves and cutthroats (and prisons terms) to another. And then she meets Murtock.
She thinks he's just in it for what he can take, what he can use. They have sex, they rip off people, Jack enjoys the physicality and the buzz of criminal activity (all sweet conditioned leftovers from Teltin). And then he dies. Jack shrugs, prepares to move on... and then the message he left plays. The mountain of broken glass, ice, razorwire and jagged stone almost crushes her; someone really loved her, the right way, the proper way, and thought more of her than she thought anyone ever would. She probably screamed and cried more that day than she did in the whole of her time in Teltin. She didn't know, couldn't have known. Her life had made her blind. She had had happiness, love, in her hands. And never knew. Jack's heart breaks, all the old fractures worse than before. And because she didn't see it, she thinks she's stupid, that she maybe somehow earned it.
Eventually, who knows how long it takes, but she eventually puts what's left of her heart back together. Her eyes dry up - she's never going to cry again. She fills all the cracks in her being with hate, more than before - she's never going to let herself feel that kind of pain again. Better to push everyone away. Better to just fight the galaxy to the death, because there's nothing else for her to live for; she's just existing from moment to moment. She dies, ****ing on/off switch. All there is is that black hole in the middle of her being; a woman who has suffered her whole life, had a shot at happiness, and lost it.
There's your Horrible Thought for the Day - you're ****ing welcome. Remember it the next time some Miridian tells you Miranda has had it bad. She can't even spell bad. They try and argue, unleash the little slice of Jack's black hole.
There is a happy ending though: one day someone special finds her...
Feel free to let your eyeliner run, friends.
After reading through all your thoughts on Jack wondering what happiness might be, or what being normal might be, consider this... Jack's uplifting escape story "[...] the crew used me, then sold me."
This is a child that has known nothing but pain; cramps in fingers and toes as surgery heals, being unable to lie down or stand up because it hurts too much, waking from sleep with new canyons carved into her skin, and the sharp needle of electric shocks and the fat, warm feeling of an eye swollen shut or another burst lip. Her only comfort in life comes from a piece of furniture that has become her cave; a place she can hide from this vile existance, a place she can be the small, frightened child she is.
Then she escapes; she lets all her anger go at anything that crosses her path. She manages more by luck than judgement to get a vehicle off the ground and gets into space. Where to go? Her world of a couple of rooms and intense pain is bigger than anything she can imagine. It's impossible to comprehend. She's even smaller and more scared than she was before. She floats like a bottle in the Pacific until the other ship comes.
Now it is only implied as to what happens to Jack on the ship, but we know they would have found a half-starved girl barely into her teens (if that), probably covered in as much blood as scar tissue and medical tattooing. They clean her up, feed her, maybe not everyone on the ship was bad to her, but someone probably took advantage. Any pain she suffered there would have been nothing compared to what she went through under the knife. Besides, she wouldn't have known it was wrong. Maybe after the first time she was willing. Poor kid might have actually thought they loved her as they passed her around. Maybe it made her happy for the first time in her life; it'll have been the first affection, the first closeness, she'll have ever felt.
Go on, feel sick. It gets worse.
Maybe there's some incident that triggers it, or maybe they just get bored, no longer want to care for this child, or maybe someone thinks she'll be better off away from the ship and does it to get her away from the rest of the crew. So they sell her, probably to Batarians, since they're so hot on it (****ing Squints - bomb the ****ers into the stone age or let the Krogan invade all their colonies, see how they like it). She's told to go with these other people. Jack doesn't like the new people; they're not the ones that have looked after her so well. Maybe she puts up a fight, but whatever goes down, she ends up another slave in the belly of the slaver's vessel... more alone and bereft than she has ever been. The people that cared for her, loved her (nauseating, insn't it), cast her aside. Abandoned her. And suddenly she wishes she was back under her desk, because she is smaller, more alone, and more hurt than she has ever been in her whole life... and it doesn't get any better.
As she gets older she understands what the first crew did to her, how wrong it was. "Love" becomes a wrong thing. Sex, well, as she matures she enjoys it, but there's no "love" in it. She's not even sure that thing's real. She learns by example; everyone uses her and abandons her, so she does it first. Anyone who crosses her, especially as her powers grow, dies. Anyone that might hurt her is pushed away, sometimes terminally. Either way, it stops anyone hurting her. To Jack, there's no such thing as love. She bounces from one set of thieves and cutthroats (and prisons terms) to another. And then she meets Murtock.
She thinks he's just in it for what he can take, what he can use. They have sex, they rip off people, Jack enjoys the physicality and the buzz of criminal activity (all sweet conditioned leftovers from Teltin). And then he dies. Jack shrugs, prepares to move on... and then the message he left plays. The mountain of broken glass, ice, razorwire and jagged stone almost crushes her; someone really loved her, the right way, the proper way, and thought more of her than she thought anyone ever would. She probably screamed and cried more that day than she did in the whole of her time in Teltin. She didn't know, couldn't have known. Her life had made her blind. She had had happiness, love, in her hands. And never knew. Jack's heart breaks, all the old fractures worse than before. And because she didn't see it, she thinks she's stupid, that she maybe somehow earned it.
Eventually, who knows how long it takes, but she eventually puts what's left of her heart back together. Her eyes dry up - she's never going to cry again. She fills all the cracks in her being with hate, more than before - she's never going to let herself feel that kind of pain again. Better to push everyone away. Better to just fight the galaxy to the death, because there's nothing else for her to live for; she's just existing from moment to moment. She dies, ****ing on/off switch. All there is is that black hole in the middle of her being; a woman who has suffered her whole life, had a shot at happiness, and lost it.
There's your Horrible Thought for the Day - you're ****ing welcome. Remember it the next time some Miridian tells you Miranda has had it bad. She can't even spell bad. They try and argue, unleash the little slice of Jack's black hole.
There is a happy ending though: one day someone special finds her...
Feel free to let your eyeliner run, friends.
#5228
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 08:21
Jackal904
-
- Members
- 2 244 messages
gneissguy2003 wrote...
And so now, on top of the mental image of a poor defenseless child being strapped to a surgical table from time to time and forced to kill other children while hopped up on drugs, I also have a picture of a young Jack in her room, alone, drugged up so she can't fight and barely able to think, watching the world outside her window through blank eyes. And from time to time, one of those bastard scientists comes by to say hello, maybe read her a story or teach her some math, thinking that somehow maybe performing this small courtesy will absolve them of all the bull**** they've done to her.
I've been thinking about the same thing. I like to run these scenarios through my head that may have occured during her time at Teltin. It's why I'm so curious to actually see video of her as a child in the Teltin facility. I have all these ideas and scenarios in my head, and I'm so curious to see if any of them are true. I know some people have said that they don't want to rehash over Jack's traumatic childhood in ME3. That it's already dealt with during her loyalty mission. But I can't help but wonder about specific situations and events that occured there. There is so much about it we don't know.
Modifié par Jackal904, 22 avril 2010 - 08:22 .
#5229
Guest_yorkj86_*
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 08:24
Guest_yorkj86_*
Guest_yorkj86_*
-
- Guests
Mondo47,
Now I'm sad, again, but I now have renewed desire to write more of my (tasteful) Jack fanfic. Thanks for all of that. The thought you put in to it is very apparent. You always post the most thoughtful stuff.
Now I'm sad, again, but I now have renewed desire to write more of my (tasteful) Jack fanfic. Thanks for all of that. The thought you put in to it is very apparent. You always post the most thoughtful stuff.
Modifié par yorkj86, 22 avril 2010 - 08:39 .
#5230
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 08:43
Razorsedge820
-
- Members
- 565 messages
I think its obvious Jack doesn't even know her own birthday or have any knowledge of her life before arriving at the Teltin facility. Perhaps in Mass Effect 3 Jack would want to discover her origins.
Now that I think about what if Jack did have parents? What if they sold her to Cerberus for whatever reason? How would she react to them if she found them? How would your Shepard react? If anything Jacks parents are equally wrong as those scientist at Teltin for selling their daughter for experimental purposes. Perhaps they did not even know what fate their daughter would face. Maybe she was kidnapped from them and it wasn't their fault at all. So much mystery and suspense. This would be a great scenario in ME3 IMO.
Now that I think about what if Jack did have parents? What if they sold her to Cerberus for whatever reason? How would she react to them if she found them? How would your Shepard react? If anything Jacks parents are equally wrong as those scientist at Teltin for selling their daughter for experimental purposes. Perhaps they did not even know what fate their daughter would face. Maybe she was kidnapped from them and it wasn't their fault at all. So much mystery and suspense. This would be a great scenario in ME3 IMO.
Modifié par Razorsedge820, 22 avril 2010 - 08:46 .
#5231
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 08:53
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
-
- Guests
This was the most touching part to me. Unfortunatley I can see something similar to these circumstances happening in the real world that we live in.Mondo47 wrote...
Now it is only implied as to what happens to Jack on the ship, but we know they would have found a half-starved girl barely into her teens (if that), probably covered in as much blood as scar tissue and medical tattooing. They clean her up, feed her, maybe not everyone on the ship was bad to her, but someone probably took advantage. Any pain she suffered there would have been nothing compared to what she went through under the knife. Besides, she wouldn't have known it was wrong. Maybe after the first time she was willing. Poor kid might have actually thought they loved her as they passed her around. Maybe it made her happy for the first time in her life; it'll have been the first affection, the first closeness, she'll have ever felt.
#5232
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 09:49
MHRazer
-
- Members
- 325 messages
Thank goodness you put that picture at the end of your post Mondo, otherwise I would have been very sad.
#5233
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 10:05
Ultai
-
- Members
- 685 messages
Jesus Mondo, way to tug hard onto the heart strings. 
The way you put the Murtock situation into that perspective...one can only imagine the wave of emotion that swept over her as they embraced in that screenshot. I guess her "missed opportunity" at love the first time, she was so close, but now she could literally hold onto it and feel that it was in fact real...you could say.
I have to say I like how Meer did his dialog with Jack, from the very first "Tell me about you Jack"...the way he delivered it conveyed to me a genuine interest in her, since he's never met someone like her for the most part...while all the others were something more along the lines of "Got time to talk?" or "Got a minute?"...to me it says alot...the others were just normal conversations...but Jack...it was different.
And no need to remember, I copied it down if you don't mind, credits due of course
The way you put the Murtock situation into that perspective...one can only imagine the wave of emotion that swept over her as they embraced in that screenshot. I guess her "missed opportunity" at love the first time, she was so close, but now she could literally hold onto it and feel that it was in fact real...you could say.I have to say I like how Meer did his dialog with Jack, from the very first "Tell me about you Jack"...the way he delivered it conveyed to me a genuine interest in her, since he's never met someone like her for the most part...while all the others were something more along the lines of "Got time to talk?" or "Got a minute?"...to me it says alot...the others were just normal conversations...but Jack...it was different.
And no need to remember, I copied it down if you don't mind, credits due of course
#5234
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 11:06
Jackal904
-
- Members
- 2 244 messages
Wow Mondo way to be a Debbie Downer 
. That post was like half analysis half sad fanfic. Speaking of; you haven't wrote one in a while. I miss those.
. That post was like half analysis half sad fanfic. Speaking of; you haven't wrote one in a while. I miss those.
#5235
Guest_Iron Man195_*
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 11:25
Guest_Iron Man195_*
Guest_Iron Man195_*
-
- Guests
Damn, Mondo. That was intense. Great picture at the end to.
#5236
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 11:26
Pacifien
-
- Members
- 11 527 messages
This thread now needs a little bit of red sand and some Pink Floyd.
#5237
Posté 22 avril 2010 - 11:46
iNixiRir
-
- Members
- 565 messages
Mondo47 wrote...
Welcome to Mondo's Horrible Thought for the Day.
...
There is a happy ending though: one day someone special finds her...
W
o
w
Well done, well done indeed
#5238
Posté 23 avril 2010 - 12:07
Mondo47
-
- Members
- 3 485 messages
Jackal904 wrote...
Wow Mondo way to be a Debbie Downer
Yeah, I've been out of it for a week, largely because my new classes started and I've been feeling a mite overwhelmed. Writing that though got me fired up again, so I'll be going back to Northwest after I get back in tomorrow afternoon/evening.
I just got thinking about it, and filled in a few blanks with a little logical extrapolation... like I said before, I've seen some real unpleasant things doing counselling, so I just applied one to the other. I got rather angry and a little teary writing it, so it worked for me. Besides, I was still trying to get the splinters out of my back after reading some of the didn't-Miranda-have-it-tough pish in that thread... maybe she wasn't happy, but there's a ****ing difference between unhappy and tragedy. Thought I'd draw a line in the sand
#5239
Posté 23 avril 2010 - 12:33
Jackal904
-
- Members
- 2 244 messages
Mondo47 wrote...
Jackal904 wrote...
Wow Mondo way to be a Debbie Downer
Yeah, I've been out of it for a week, largely because my new classes started and I've been feeling a mite overwhelmed. Writing that though got me fired up again, so I'll be going back to Northwest after I get back in tomorrow afternoon/evening.
I just got thinking about it, and filled in a few blanks with a little logical extrapolation... like I said before, I've seen some real unpleasant things doing counselling, so I just applied one to the other. I got rather angry and a little teary writing it, so it worked for me. Besides, I was still trying to get the splinters out of my back after reading some of the didn't-Miranda-have-it-tough pish in that thread... maybe she wasn't happy, but there's a ****ing difference between unhappy and tragedy. Thought I'd draw a line in the sand
Yeah that's totally understandable, school comes first
. I'm glad you're feeling back in the mood though.I try and stay away from the Miranda thread. I'm not even going to try to argue with the people who think she had it rough. I'd get too frustrated, which would lead to a series of arguements that I don't feel like getting wrapped up in.
This is totally offtopic, but royce, you need to watch this. ****ing hilarious.
#5240
Guest_yorkj86_*
Posté 23 avril 2010 - 12:38
Guest_yorkj86_*
Guest_yorkj86_*
-
- Guests
I want to know why Mondo47 is taking classes, and hasn't already been employed as Jack's writer already by Bioware. Not to offend if you're passionate about your studies, but you do know how to write her character perfectly.
Modifié par yorkj86, 23 avril 2010 - 12:38 .
#5241
Posté 23 avril 2010 - 12:41
Dominus5412
-
- Members
- 581 messages
And it's educational! I had to look up what a pessary was.
#5242
Posté 23 avril 2010 - 12:49
SpiderFan1217
-
- Members
- 1 859 messages
That was a little depressing. Good writing though.
#5243
Posté 23 avril 2010 - 12:50
MHRazer
-
- Members
- 325 messages
As long as the guy who wrote and created the Jack we all know and love sticks around to write her for ME3 as well, I'm all for Mondo teaming up with him to create a super-duo to churn out as much Jack content as possibleyorkj86 wrote...
I want to know why Mondo47 is taking classes, and hasn't already been employed as Jack's writer already by Bioware. Not to offend if you're passionate about your studies, but you do know how to write her character perfectly.
#5244
Guest_Iron Man195_*
Posté 23 avril 2010 - 12:52
Guest_Iron Man195_*
Guest_Iron Man195_*
-
- Guests
MHRazer wrote...
As long as the guy who wrote and created the Jack we all know and love sticks around to write her for ME3 as well, I'm all for Mondo teaming up with him to create a super-duo to churn out as much Jack content as possibleyorkj86 wrote...
I want to know why Mondo47 is taking classes, and hasn't already been employed as Jack's writer already by Bioware. Not to offend if you're passionate about your studies, but you do know how to write her character perfectly.
This would be epic. Keep up the great work Mondo.
#5245
Posté 23 avril 2010 - 12:54
SpiderFan1217
-
- Members
- 1 859 messages
Jack should get her own game. I'd play it.
#5246
Guest_Iron Man195_*
Posté 23 avril 2010 - 12:55
Guest_Iron Man195_*
Guest_Iron Man195_*
-
- Guests
^Me to. She definately has a deep enough back story for a spin off.
#5247
Posté 23 avril 2010 - 12:58
SpiderFan1217
-
- Members
- 1 859 messages
I'd like to see a prequal. It'd be nice to bash some Cerberus heads again.
#5249
Guest_Da Shadow Master_*
Posté 23 avril 2010 - 03:20
Guest_Da Shadow Master_*
Guest_Da Shadow Master_*
-
- Guests
Here's a little gift for all you Jack fans.Enjoy.
../../../../uploads_user/839000/838282/29565.jpg
../../../../uploads_user/839000/838282/29565.jpg
#5250
Posté 23 avril 2010 - 03:25
Jackal904
-
- Members
- 2 244 messages
Da Shadow Master wrote...
Here's a little gift for all you Jack fans.Enjoy.
[snip]
Very nice! That's one of my favorite pictures of her when she has her gun aimed at the Aresh guy from her loyalty mission. She looks so badass there.
