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[Mondo47]

Actually, having bailed Jack out of Purgatory yet again tonight, has anyone noticed the line Jack has when Shep finally confronts her, she says something along the lines of "I'm not going anywhere with you - you're Cerberus," and the dialogue wheel has something akin to 'What's wrong with Cerberus?' as a response... Jack explains that every time she escapes from a prison, Cerberus hires mercs to bring her back in because they track her.

Never heard that line before today... shows that TIM really does keep an eye on all his resources.

And makes you wonder how rogue Teltin was...

[Errationatus]

EDIT:  Irrelevancy.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 25 avril 2010 - 09:40 .

[LiquidGrape]

Mondo47 wrote...

Actually, having bailed Jack out of Purgatory yet again tonight, has anyone noticed the line Jack has when Shep finally confronts her, she says something along the lines of "I'm not going anywhere with you - you're Cerberus," and the dialogue wheel has something akin to 'What's wrong with Cerberus?' as a response... Jack explains that every time she escapes from a prison, Cerberus hires mercs to bring her back in because they track her.
Never heard that line before today... shows that TIM really does keep an eye on all his resources.
And makes you wonder how rogue Teltin was...

Interesting...I never chose those dialogue options since my opinion of Cerberus is pretty-damned-clear.
Honestly, I virtually cruised the neutral selections throughout the whole game.

[Errationatus]

Mondo47 wrote...

Actually, having bailed Jack out of Purgatory yet again tonight, has anyone noticed the line Jack has when Shep finally confronts her, she says something along the lines of "I'm not going anywhere with you - you're Cerberus," and the dialogue wheel has something akin to 'What's wrong with Cerberus?' as a response... Jack explains that every time she escapes from a prison, Cerberus hires mercs to bring her back in because they track her.
Never heard that line before today... shows that TIM really does keep an eye on all his resources.
And makes you wonder how rogue Teltin was...

I had mentioned this - sorta - a couple of days ago, but it pretty much
bombed.  Hope you have better luck.

[Razorsedge820]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Back on topic...

Anyone ever pondered the idea that Jack might be a covert weapon for Cerberus?  As is, "just waiting to be activated"?  I had put forward the idea earlier, as I thought it a valid area of exploration, but was apparently alone in it.

Still, It's still one of those things that would have rather interesting repercussions in ME3 - especially, if you denied TIM the Collector base, IMO.    It could be an interesting twist, if done well.

Sweet - kept it under a hundred words. 

Interesting idea but Jack has way too much hate for Cerberus and the Illusive man especially since their the ones that screwed her up so much. 

[Errationatus]

Razorsedge820 wrote...

Interesting idea but Jack has way too much hate for Cerberus and the Illusive man especially since their the ones that screwed her up so much. 

If that hate was part of the design, it wouldn't matter how much she hated them.   Does she know all of what they did to her head?

[Razorsedge820]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

Actually, having bailed Jack out of Purgatory yet again tonight, has anyone noticed the line Jack has when Shep finally confronts her, she says something along the lines of "I'm not going anywhere with you - you're Cerberus," and the dialogue wheel has something akin to 'What's wrong with Cerberus?' as a response... Jack explains that every time she escapes from a prison, Cerberus hires mercs to bring her back in because they track her.
Never heard that line before today... shows that TIM really does keep an eye on all his resources.
And makes you wonder how rogue Teltin was...

Interesting...I never chose those dialogue options since my opinion of Cerberus is pretty-damned-clear.
Honestly, I virtually cruised the neutral selections throughout the whole game.

If TIM likes keeping an eye on his investments he is going to be a real pain to shake off in ME3 if you chose to destroy the collector base. I bet TIM considers Shepard his property.

[Jackal904]

Mondo47 wrote...

Now now, no need to get bent out of shape over a poll-thingy. Let it be. No need to start some huge flamewar thing (because this is fandom, we know it'll kick off faster than the Cuban Missile Crisis). Not my style, and it's not our style either - we're more grown up than that :happy:

At least we know the vote's not actually rigged - it's just organised voting blocks. That's what happens in reality, after all.

Yeah I know I was just joking. I guess the "dis ****" and my late edit didn't clearly convey that I wasn't being serious.

[Razorsedge820]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Razorsedge820 wrote...

Interesting idea but Jack has way too much hate for Cerberus and the Illusive man especially since their the ones that screwed her up so much. 

If that hate was part of the design, it wouldn't matter how much she hated them.   Does she know all of what they did to her head?

You watch to many spy movies, Jack would never take orders from Cerberus.

[InStereoWhereAvailable]

yfhfrg wrote...

Razorsedge820 wrote...

Interesting idea but Jack has way too much hate for Cerberus and the Illusive man especially since their the ones that screwed her up so much. 

I think something like that could be an interesting twist. It could be a subliminal trigger. Best keep Jack away from the Fruity Oaty Bars.

"Would You Kindly kill every ****er you see?"  "No, **** you!" *Biotic (Falcon) Punch* *Dead*

Modifié par InStereoWhereAvailable, 25 avril 2010 - 10:19 .

[Errationatus]

Razorsedge820 wrote...

You watch to many spy movies, Jack would never take orders from Cerberus.

You're assuming she has a choice in the matter, if it comes down to that.  How many implants does that girl have?  She knows what each and every one does, does she?

Cerberus didn't invest billions in Shepard to have him fail.  Period.  There are many ways of measuring failure and may ways to measure success.  It all depends on  your ultimate goal.   Bounty hunters cost money.  Tracking Jack costs money.  How long was Jack in cryo on Purgatory?  A day?  A month?  Just under two years or so?  Be interesting to know exactly how long, no?

They also didn't invest however much in Teltin and risk as much as they did experimenting on and murdering children to simply let Jack roam free and unfettered.

That paints Cerberus as being run by someone exceedingly shortsighted, and TIM is anything but.  Watch his face at the end of ME2, regardless of what choices you make. 

You'd think he'd be much angrier than he is, wouldn't you - and being alone as he is, he'd show it, wouldn't he?  If not, why not?

You're simply failing to give Cerberus the credit it deserves, it being 'evil' or otherwise.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 25 avril 2010 - 10:26 .

[Mondo47]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...
I don't know... I don't think Jack would really cut loose the first time, or even the second time. I think it's something that happens with time... you don't break out the riding crop, handcuffs and strapon on the first night in case he freaks out and runs

Though once you've been with a woman like that... ohboy are you changed forever 

Whoa wait a second now.  Yeah, "freaks out" to say the least.

You got the perfect look on Jack for that motivational Mondo.  Look at that smirk on her face.

Yep kids, your Auntie Jack knows the score - sometimes leaving your comfort zone is damn good! And if your man won't play, find one that will (or a gal for that matter - and send him the vid afterwards).

Just have a safety word all ready, 'kay?

[Razorsedge820]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Jack can be a little aggressive at times. Yesterday when I was playing, I visited her in the engineering and she pulled out a trunk from underneath her bed. The contents of the trunk really surprised me. She ordered me to get undressed.

[Dominus5412]

Mondo47 wrote...

And if your man won't play, find one that will (or a gal for that matter - and send him the vid afterwards).

Whew, ouch.

[Jackal904]

Mondo47 wrote...

Actually, having bailed Jack out of Purgatory yet again tonight, has anyone noticed the line Jack has when Shep finally confronts her, she says something along the lines of "I'm not going anywhere with you - you're Cerberus," and the dialogue wheel has something akin to 'What's wrong with Cerberus?' as a response... Jack explains that every time she escapes from a prison, Cerberus hires mercs to bring her back in because they track her.
Never heard that line before today... shows that TIM really does keep an eye on all his resources.
And makes you wonder how rogue Teltin was...

Hmmmm. Did she say specifically that they try to capture her after she gets out of a prison? Or does she say they've been trying to capture her in general? That's really interesting though. Maybe TIM sent you to get her because he believed you would be successful unlike everyone else he has hired to try and recapture Jack. He might as well use Shepard to do his dirty work while he's working with them. TIM is killing two birds with one stone. Have Shepard retrieve Jack for him, and she'll also be able to help with the suicide mission.

And Jake brings up an interesting point about Jack possibly having a control chip in her brain. We know control chips exist and we know they work because Miranda wanted to put one in Shepard. Maybe Cerberus wants to recapture Jack to put a control chip in her brain. I don't think she already has one in her brain because then I'm sure they would have activated it when she escaped the Teltin facility to make retrieving her much easier.

I can see it right now. Jack is being controlled by Cerberus to kill Shepard, and she is totally kicking his ass, and he's trying to convince her to resist their control by reminding her of all the good moments they've had together and all the things he's done for her.

[Jackal904]

JakeMacDon wrote...

How long was Jack in cryo on Purgatory?  A day?  A month?  Just under two years or so?  Be interesting to know exactly how long, no?

I think she was in cryo just to get her under control and ready to be picked up by Shepard. Take her to the Dark Star Lounge bathrooms and she tells you about when she was attacked on Purgatory in the latrines, so that means she wasn't in cryo the whole time. Plus that one prisoner you can talk to acts like he's seen Jack's violentness first hand, so she must have been outside of cryo fairly often.

[Errationatus]

Jackal904 wrote...

I think she was in cryo just to get her under control and ready to be picked up by Shepard. Take her to the Dark Star Lounge bathrooms and she tells you about when she was attacked on Purgatory in the latrines, so that means she wasn't in cryo the whole time. Plus that one prisoner you can talk to acts like he's seen Jack's violentness first hand, so she must have been outside of cryo fairly often.

Not necessarily.

Shepard lets her out - the first thing she does is trash Purgatory. 

Is being slapped in cryo more infuriating than being gang-raped?  We have the Queen of NotGiveAFook here.  Why not trash it then?  The odds are the Warden has his own ship, so Shepard wasn't her only way off Purgatory.  It'd be stupid if there was no way off that prison except escape pods. 

Even with Jack saying she got them "one by one" doesn't mean she couldn't manage to kill them all at the same time "one by one", if you follow me.  That prisoner could have been sitting there when Jack marched in, snapped a guard's neck, grabbed his gun and executed each one in turn as they sat at the mess hall table and bragged about it.  There's suddenly fifty cannons in her face, or vented knockout gas,  or one of those funky barriers and Jack goes slap into stasis.

That could have easily happened a year and half ago. 

Who needs that powderkeg walking about when you just slap her in cryo and wait for a customer?  She must have scads of them lining up for a shot at her.  Or maybe not. 

My point is, without definitive say-so officially, Jack's timeline is rather iffy, and a lot has gone on that we simply don't know about.

'Tis why she's so bleed'n interesting, after all. 

EDIT:  To add this:

I was pondering that that thingy about the difference between cutscene abilities and in-game abilities, and Jack's proficiency at mech-smashy and door removal/wall-punchery on Purgatory.

If that power level were blind-rage induced, it may be a manifestation of her abilities she can only access in that particular state of mind.  Would explain why she can do it then, and not any other time. She flinging that shield bubble at the Collectors could have been along the same lines.  Could also explain Samara too and her biotic glide down to the Eclipse merc.  We see it there and nowhere else simply because it doesn't come up.  She doesn't need to do it or doesn't bother.  Doesn't mean she can't.

It might be a decent ability of Jack's part to maybe fold in when ME3 rolls around, though.  Somnething she's learned to gain conscious control over under Shep's tutelage by then.  "Biotic Ram", unique to Jack, hits very, very hard , has a barrier effect on Jack at the end of it (so she doesn't get summarily wasted) and a half-minute recharge time.  Good for rooms of enemies.
Just a thought.  Sorry for the long-windedness.  Like little bugs in my head! 

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 25 avril 2010 - 11:55 .

[Mondo47]

I always use the tale of Wu Sung the Tiger Killer for demostrations of never again seen potency.



Very long and funny story short, Wu Sung gets hammered in an inn but still opts to cross the mountains drunk - even though there is a deadly man-eating tiger on the loose. Staggering about in the woods he meets the tiger. He's way to drunk to do anything other than wag his club at it. He feels a bit sick, bends over to puke as the tiger pounces, and it knocks itself a good one on the tree behind him. Wu Sung turns around and the tiger leaps again. This time Wu Sung slips in his puke and falls over. He gets up, can't find his club or the tiger. He finds the tiger with the club jammed in its throat - poor thing's choking to death. So Wu Sung puts one foot on the tiger's head and yanks the club out to save the poor thing. Breaks its neck. Wu Sung thinks the tiger is asleep for a while, figures out its dead and staggers back down the mountain to get it skinned and sell the hide. In the morning everyone thinks he's some kind of hero, when the facts are he was lucky. Didn't stop him making the story impressive for everyone he told it to... naturally the drunkness gets left out.



A wizard in a bottle can do anything

[Jackal904]

JakeMacDon wrote...

My point is, without definitive say-so officially, Jack's timeline is rather iffy, and a lot has gone on that we simply don't know about.

I think it would have been brought up if she was kept in cryo for a long time. There would have been some mention of her missing years spent in cryo. I'm assuming she knows the current date, and if she were to suddenly see it's several years from when she was first put into cryo, she probably would have said something. 

Look at Aresh, I'm assuming he was about the same age as Jack when he escaped Teltin, and he's not old. Also, In one of the video logs during Jack's loyalty mission, a scientist says he'll piggy back onto the Ascension program which started up like 9-10 years before the events of ME2 I believe. So I think the most she would have spent in cryo is a few months.

[Razorsedge820]

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Modifié par Razorsedge820, 26 avril 2010 - 01:13 .