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[Mondo47]

That PC Gamer cover... my head hits the desk like I'm Udina and Anderson just smacked me one.

Let's just keep selling the myth and reinforcing the stereotype...

[gneissguy2003]

Mondo47 wrote...

That PC Gamer cover... my head hits the desk like I'm Udina and Anderson just smacked me one.

Let's just keep selling the myth and reinforcing the stereotype...

Would you prefer it was Miranda instead with her bulbous rear sticking out? Or perhaps Tali, the faceless wonder? The fact that they chose Jack still makes me happy. Is it pushing the stereotype? Yeah, maybe... but Jack would want you to think she fits that stereotype to a "T". Let the people who don't know any better think what they will.

[Mondo47]

I've never been a great fan of PC Gamer... I remember waaaay back in the day having a very... vocal debate on their forums about the graphics vs. gameplay thing and generally being told I was an idiot for prefering to play old games like UFO because the graphics sucked and because I had ****** I wasn't qualified to speak on the subject. Forum full of sexist twentysomething virgins worshipping at the altar of that dolt Keiron Gillen... a man I wouldn't sleep with if I was dead (and trust me, there aren't many people on that list)... my corpse would spontaniously reanimate and walk out in disgust.

Wow... my blood would melt holes in the floor today! Looks like someone bagged one of Ripley's bad guys here.

[LiquidGrape]

Sexism and perpetual stereotyping is still pretty widespread in these circles.
- And it'll continue to be until the industry stops catering to these a**holes.
We need more people like Heather Chaplin.

"It's not that the medium is in its adolescence, it's that you're a bunch of ****ing adolescents, and It's even worse because you're technically supposed to be adults."

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 26 avril 2010 - 06:16 .

[gneissguy2003]

yorkj86 wrote...

Would you prefer that Jack not be shown on the cover at all?  Would you prefer that we see Jack as the player does upon first meeting her, or that we see Jack nervous, or crying as she does during the final romance scene?  (Hint: The latter is a bit of a spoiler, so it wouldn't be done.)

Maybe I'm the only person, but  I don't mind that cover.

You're not the only person.

[LiquidGrape]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

What sexist, myth, stereotype are we talking about here? Seriously.....

Oh, just the general sexism of the video game industry.
The usual.

[Errationatus]

MHRazer wrote...

I don't think york or anyone else was claiming you weren't speculating; we all are, and at this point that's all there is to really do. I think the point is that since we're trying to form an overall larger picture of our gal Jack, and trying to understand her better within the overall story, we should try to focus our speculation on the parts of the game where the game actually takes itself seriously. We were speculating a little while back about how Jack's cutscene strength would come into play if she were fighting Samara and other squadmates, but those were hypothetical situations, not actually using the cutscene discrepancies to justify an entirely new take on Jack's past.

That being said it could be possible that she has had extended stints in cryo, I just don't see much evidence for it.  

Cutscenes are story.   That's why ME2 has so many of them. 

From the sounds of things, some are to be taken seriously as points of contact and actual story, and some aren't.  I'm afraid I don't do that unless they are completely ridiculous and obvious, and nothing either Jack or Samara did is beyond their abilities. 

It harms no one and nothing to play and pretend there's a reason - in context with the story - why they can do it then and not any other time. 

But, if no one wants to actually pursue anything speculative about her past other than she's had a hard life,  deserves our sympathy/empathy and how magnificient a biotch she is -  and what she might jam up Shepard's ass on a Saturday night after a few green drinks, then that's cool. 

Not really my thing, though.  I can't see how that's any different from what the Talimancers dribble all over the place.

Still and all, thanks.  I had no idea it was going to upset people so much, and I'll just drop it. 

Here, to keep the ball rolling:  www.stockroom.com/

[Epantiras]

That cover does reinforce the stereotype and makes people think that ME2 is about naked female punks showing their middle finger. Remember the "Sex and violence" trailer for Dragon Age? The one with the Marylin Manson song? Dragon Age is quite different from that.



But I can't deny that that cover is made of awesome ;-)

[Jackal904]

Mondo47 wrote...

That PC Gamer cover... my head hits the desk like I'm Udina and Anderson just smacked me one.

Let's just keep selling the myth and reinforcing the stereotype...

Is it promoting her as a stereotype? Probably. But c'mon. You cannot tell me that cover is not ****ing awesome. And like gneissguy said, I'm just glad they made Jack the focus of the cover.

[OneDrunkMonk]

Yah know...I get the tats thing. Looks cool, she's making a statement, tellin a story. But really, unless you got a full time biotic barrier going it really doesn't make sense for her to have that much exposed skin in combat. I mean sure, you meet her, see the tats, each one tells a story, cool. In a firefight with the Geth, she better have armor on. In fact they should have done custom armors for the team members as oppose to just their casual clothes.

[SpiderFan1217]

It's a decent cover. They should have made the censor bigger so that it actually looked like she was flipping you off.

Modifié par SpiderFan1217, 26 avril 2010 - 07:01 .

[Jackal904]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Cutscenes are story.   That's why ME2 has so many of them. 

From the sounds of things, some are to be taken seriously as points of contact and actual story, and some aren't.  I'm afraid I don't do that unless they are completely ridiculous and obvious, and nothing either Jack or Samara did is beyond their abilities. 

It harms no one and nothing to play and pretend there's a reason - in context with the story - why they can do it then and not any other time. 

But, if no one wants to actually pursue anything speculative about her past other than she's had a hard life,  deserves our sympathy/empathy and how magnificient a biotch she is -  and what she might jam up Shepard's ass on a Saturday night after a few green drinks, then that's cool. 

Not really my thing, though.  I can't see how that's any different from what the Talimancers dribble all over the place.

Still and all, thanks.  I had no idea it was going to upset people so much, and I'll just drop it. 

Here, to keep the ball rolling:  www.stockroom.com/

Relax. No one is upset with you, and there is no need for you to get upset. It's just that cutscene powers are so common and accepted that they're hardly worth dicussing. Jack is not the only character who shows a significant power increase in cutscenes from normal combat. Thane takes out a whole room of mercs in 5 seconds before anyone knew he was there. Samara goes crazy on the mercs when you first see her, and she goes super saiyan when she fights her daughter, and she doesn't do anything like that in real combat. Miranda launches that one asari across the room during her loyalty mission, and once again she can't do anything like that in real combat. It's there and you just have to deal with it. It makes little sense, but it exists anyway.

[SpiderFan1217]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Epantiras wrote...
That cover does reinforce the stereotype and makes people think that ME2 is about naked female punks showing their middle finger. Remember the "Sex and violence" trailer for Dragon Age? The one with the Marylin Manson song? Dragon Age is quite different from that.

But I can't deny that that cover is made of awesome ;-)

If this is the case, then I would think that you would not care much for the Jack character,  and that you consider her character a stereotype of a female punk.  Unless I am missing something here (which is entirely possible).  The cover picture matches up with Jack's personality style I think.

Kind of hard not to see her that way when that's how she portrays herself. That's not me saying she is a sterotype. 

[Pacifien]

Mondo47 wrote...
I've never been a great fan of PC Gamer... I remember waaaay back in the day having a very... vocal debate on their forums about the graphics vs. gameplay thing and generally being told I was an idiot for prefering to play old games like UFO because the graphics sucked and because I had ****** I wasn't qualified to speak on the subject.*snip*

Wonder what they'd say if I mentioned my love of Zork.

It is dark. You are likely to be eaten by a...

[Booglarize]

Mondo47 wrote...

That PC Gamer cover... my head hits the desk like I'm Udina and Anderson just smacked me one.

Let's just keep selling the myth and reinforcing the stereotype...

I don't know, I kind of liked that cover myself; I think it's a fair enough representation of Jack's actual personality. Hell, I'm pretty much happy with any representation of jack that avoids the "Psychopath" label. 

[SpiderFan1217]

Booglarize wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

That PC Gamer cover... my head hits the desk like I'm Udina and Anderson just smacked me one.

Let's just keep selling the myth and reinforcing the stereotype...

I don't know, I kind of liked that cover myself; I think it's a fair enough representation of Jack's actual personality. Hell, I'm pretty much happy with any representation of jack that avoids the "Psychopath" label. 

What's wrong with the phychopath label? Jacks ****ing crazy. I totally like that about her, but she's definatly one seriously crazed up fruitloop.

[epoch_]

That cover art is bad ass. Wish we had it without all the words.

[drunken pyromaniac]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...


What's wrong with the phychopath label? Jacks ****ing crazy. I totally like that about her, but she's definatly one seriously crazed up fruitloop.

*peeks in*
I believe the problem is that Psychopaths are incurable. They're completely broken. Jack clearly is still capable of healing and feeling emotions.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 26 avril 2010 - 07:16 .

[Epantiras]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Epantiras wrote...
That cover does reinforce the stereotype and makes people think that ME2 is about naked female punks showing their middle finger. Remember the "Sex and violence" trailer for Dragon Age? The one with the Marylin Manson song? Dragon Age is quite different from that.

But I can't deny that that cover is made of awesome ;-)

If this is the case, then I would think that you would not care much for the Jack character,  and that you consider her character a stereotype of a female punk.  Unless I am missing something here (which is entirely possible).  The cover picture matches up with Jack's personality style I think.

I meant that I think the cover is part of Bioware's misleading and stereotypical advertising - which I don't like since, as I said, it's misleading. I'm not talking about Jack being a stereotype punk girl or not, I'm talking about WHAT Bioware wants us to believe.
On the other hand, the cover itself is totally badass.

[SpiderFan1217]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...


What's wrong with the phychopath label? Jacks ****ing crazy. I totally like that about her, but she's definatly one seriously crazed up fruitloop.

*peeks in*
I believe the problem is that Psychopaths are incurable. They're completely broken. Jack clearly is still capable of healing and feeling emotions.

Who says they're incurable? (Sorry if that reads a little rude.)

[Booglarize]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

What's wrong with the phychopath label? Jacks ****ing crazy. I totally like that about her, but she's definatly one seriously crazed up fruitloop.

Well, technically a psychopath is someone that has a personality disorder that renders them incapable of empathy and lack various normal human emotions, but are nonetheless capable of seeming outwardly normal (faking it, basically). Jack is essentially the opposite of that - there's no evidence that she lacks empathy, and she doesn't seem to be very good at blending in (though she doesn't seem to care much about it either).

I don't know, maybe it's the way popular usage of the term has evolved or something, but it still annoys me. Just strikes me as fairly misleading (and pretty lazy) to characterize anyone who seems slightly aberrant as a "psychopath".