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[Mondo47]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Booglarize wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

That PC Gamer cover... my head hits the desk like I'm Udina and Anderson just smacked me one.

Let's just keep selling the myth and reinforcing the stereotype...

I don't know, I kind of liked that cover myself; I think it's a fair enough representation of Jack's actual personality. Hell, I'm pretty much happy with any representation of jack that avoids the "Psychopath" label. 

What's wrong with the phychopath label? Jacks ****ing crazy. I totally like that about her, but she's definatly one seriously crazed up fruitloop.

I don't know, I think most of us here are a bit funny about that label... it's not like she's Garland Green. It's a little too negative. Dangerous, sure. Deadly, certainly. Lawless, damn right. She's not going to eat your kids and use your cat as a golfclub warmer though

As for the cover image... I think my issue is it's got that whole stereotypical angry counter-culture thing laid on it. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, I dunno. It just seems like another girl from the Ozfest with painted ****** - the whole "**** you, I'm hardcore" thing. Christ, I sound like her mother

You get the idea though, I hope. Flippin' the bird is just too... you know.

Something like this is more to my tastes of badassery... maybe that's too cliche?

Modifié par Mondo47, 26 avril 2010 - 07:26 .

[adriano_c]

Yeah, it was a lazy labeling. The average connotation for 'psychopath' is being a crazed killer, not much beyond that.

-edit. I swear, every time I think I can get away replying without directly quoting something...I'm interrupted!

-edit. Oh, and Jack differs explicitly from a true psychopath by way of her deliberately abnormal outward behavior, used to push others away. Meanwhile the pyschopath is using deliberately normal outward behavior, to draw others in.

Modifié par adriano_c, 26 avril 2010 - 07:35 .

[drunken pyromaniac]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...


Who says they're incurable? (Sorry if that reads a little rude.)

Most mainstream scientists and doctors. They're missing the ability to empathize and feel compassion. You can't force those traits into someone.

[Jackal904]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Booglarize wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

That PC Gamer cover... my head hits the desk like I'm Udina and Anderson just smacked me one.

Let's just keep selling the myth and reinforcing the stereotype...

I don't know, I kind of liked that cover myself; I think it's a fair enough representation of Jack's actual personality. Hell, I'm pretty much happy with any representation of jack that avoids the "Psychopath" label. 

What's wrong with the phychopath label? Jacks ****ing crazy. I totally like that about her, but she's definatly one seriously crazed up fruitloop.

Because Jack is not even close to a psychopath. Hannibal Lecter is a psychopath, not Jack. If Jack were truely a psychopath she would kill everyone in their sleep and take over the Normandy as soon as she could. There were prisoners on the Purgatory that were far crazier than Jack. Prisoners that would definitely be considered psychopathic. Like the one prisoner who sends you an email after you recruit Jack. In the email he talks about how he's waiting for a family to get home so he can kill them. Now that guy is nuts.

[SpiderFan1217]

Booglarize wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

What's wrong with the phychopath label? Jacks ****ing crazy. I totally like that about her, but she's definatly one seriously crazed up fruitloop.

Well, technically a psychopath is someone that has a personality disorder that renders them incapable of empathy and lack various normal human emotions, but are nonetheless capable of seeming outwardly normal (faking it, basically). Jack is essentially the opposite of that - there's no evidence that she lacks empathy, and she doesn't seem to be very good at blending in (though she doesn't seem to care much about it either).

I don't know, maybe it's the way popular usage of the term has evolved or something, but it still annoys me. Just strikes me as fairly misleading (and pretty lazy) to characterize anyone who seems slightly aberrant as a "psychopath".

So we just label her a *itch? I like the Psychopath trailer. I think it fits. And Jack pretty much is "incapable of empathy." For instance, even if you convice her not to kill whats-his-face, It's not because she feels any empathy for him. It's because she wants to get on with her life. As for "lack[ing] various normal human emotions." I doubt if i ever saw her genuinly happy the entire game. Sure she smiled and joked, but most of those were just her being a *itch. Admittedly, you got me on the "seeming outwardly normal." Can't explain that.

Modifié par SpiderFan1217, 26 avril 2010 - 07:37 .

[SpiderFan1217]

They probably used Psycopath for lack of a better description.

[drunken pyromaniac]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

They probably used Psycopath for lack of a better description.

I think they just used it for it's popular implications. Not it's real medical ones.

[SpiderFan1217]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

They probably used Psycopath for lack of a better description.

Scratch that. They could have just called her a Convict for the trailer. Psycopath does sound a little cooler though.

[epoch_]

Mondo47 wrote...

Ok, hauling the anchors on this kink train with some breaking news -  remember the thoughts we voiced on why people suddenly got axed left and right in the Mass Effect: Survivor game? Weeeeell,  it's funny what you find when you swing by the Tali thread...



I knew it! It's the bloody xenophobes union!

[Mondo47]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Booglarize wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

What's wrong with the phychopath label? Jacks ****ing crazy. I totally like that about her, but she's definatly one seriously crazed up fruitloop.

Well, technically a psychopath is someone that has a personality disorder that renders them incapable of empathy and lack various normal human emotions, but are nonetheless capable of seeming outwardly normal (faking it, basically). Jack is essentially the opposite of that - there's no evidence that she lacks empathy, and she doesn't seem to be very good at blending in (though she doesn't seem to care much about it either).

I don't know, maybe it's the way popular usage of the term has evolved or something, but it still annoys me. Just strikes me as fairly misleading (and pretty lazy) to characterize anyone who seems slightly aberrant as a "psychopath".

So we just label her a *itch? I like the Psychopath trailer. I think it fits. And Jack pretty much is "incapable of empathy." For instance, even if you convice her not to kill whats-his-face, It's not because she feels any empathy for him. It's because she wants to get on with her life. As for "lack[ing] various normal human emotions." I doubt if i ever saw her genuinly happy the entire game. Sure she smiled and joked, but most of those were just her being a *itch. Admittedly, you got me on the "seeming outwardly normal." Can't explain that.

Bear in mind that a very large number of normal people who don't decapitate strangers have many textbook psychopathic\\sociopathic traits resident in their psych makeup. Relatively few people give in to them or simply channel the traits in other directions; so your friend who gets really riled up when he's drunk and gets in brawls, but when he's sober he's fine has triggered sociopathic behaviour, or your friend that tends to manipulate people with tantrums and tears has associated sociopathic behaviour. The nuts/normal line really depends on which school of psychology you prescribe to, but a lot of them do seem to agree that these days we're all a little crazy sometimes...

[SpiderFan1217]

Mondo47 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Booglarize wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

What's wrong with the phychopath label? Jacks ****ing crazy. I totally like that about her, but she's definatly one seriously crazed up fruitloop.

Well, technically a psychopath is someone that has a personality disorder that renders them incapable of empathy and lack various normal human emotions, but are nonetheless capable of seeming outwardly normal (faking it, basically). Jack is essentially the opposite of that - there's no evidence that she lacks empathy, and she doesn't seem to be very good at blending in (though she doesn't seem to care much about it either).

I don't know, maybe it's the way popular usage of the term has evolved or something, but it still annoys me. Just strikes me as fairly misleading (and pretty lazy) to characterize anyone who seems slightly aberrant as a "psychopath".

So we just label her a *itch? I like the Psychopath trailer. I think it fits. And Jack pretty much is "incapable of empathy." For instance, even if you convice her not to kill whats-his-face, It's not because she feels any empathy for him. It's because she wants to get on with her life. As for "lack[ing] various normal human emotions." I doubt if i ever saw her genuinly happy the entire game. Sure she smiled and joked, but most of those were just her being a *itch. Admittedly, you got me on the "seeming outwardly normal." Can't explain that.

Bear in mind that a very large number of normal people who don't decapitate strangers have many textbook psychopathic\\\\sociopathic traits resident in their psych makeup. Relatively few people give in to them or simply channel the traits in other directions; so your friend who gets really riled up when he's drunk and gets in brawls, but when he's sober he's fine has triggered sociopathic behaviour, or your friend that tends to manipulate people with tantrums and tears has associated sociopathic behaviour. The nuts/normal line really depends on which school of psychology you prescribe to, but a lot of them do seem to agree that these days we're all a little crazy sometimes...

  That is a creepy pic. 
And I still think psycopath sounds cooler.

[Mondo47]

Anthony Perkins - King of the Loveable Headcases!

[SpiderFan1217]

Mondo47 wrote...

Anthony Perkins - King of the Loveable Headcases!

*clicks wikipedia link*

Well, I gues they were going for creepy then. They did a good job.

[Mondo47]

Don't worry Spider, we won't chase you out of here with a flamethrower for disagreeing with us - as you can see we don't always agree with one another and we can get to levels where folk passing by might think we're getting a bit aggro, but it's not the case. We all just have strong opinions, and the whole butting-of-heads thing gets us off a little I think.

And then occasionally we all go a bit nuts and start raving about BDSM, what Jack would think of our collective record collections and coffee as a metaphore for sexuality... though that's not common thankfully

Modifié par Mondo47, 26 avril 2010 - 08:00 .

[Mondo47]

[gneissguy2003]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
Who says they're incurable? (Sorry if that reads a little rude.)

Most mainstream scientists and doctors. They're missing the ability to empathize and feel compassion. You can't force those traits into someone.

I think that there has been extensive study on murderers, in particualar serial killers.  The  proper development of the frontal lobe area of the brain, seems to be what stops most human beings from acting on their inherent violent tendencies.  It also AFAIK plays a role in the persons ability to feel empathy for others.  I think that sustaining injuries to the brain in particular in childhood, or just the lack of the proper development of the pre frontal area plays a large role as to whether a criminal is violent or not, and also as to whether that person feels any empathy towards others.

If I remember correctly, there have actually been some studies that came out recently concerning how the mind of a teenager works, and that the reason, it seems, they make so many boneheaded decisions is because the connections between a teenager's frontal cortex and the rest of the brain are not solidified. Taking into account that the frontal cortex/lobe is apparently the section of the brain attributed with making decisions based on logic and potential consequences, then you have some idea of how having an under-developed frontal lobe could be attributed to someone being capable of some rather heinous crimes. 

[SpiderFan1217]

Mondo47 wrote...

  And then everyone takes a moment to "Awwwwww."