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[Jackal904]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

And I still think psycopath sounds cooler.

It does sound kool, but it's innacurate to call Jack a psychopath. I agree that "the convict" or "the sociopath" do not sound as kool. I wish BioWare didn't give all the squadmates titles in the first place.

[Jackal904]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

And Jack pretty much is "incapable of empathy." For instance, even if you convice her not to kill whats-his-face, It's not because she feels any empathy for him. It's because she wants to get on with her life. As for "lack[ing] various normal human emotions." I doubt if i ever saw her genuinly happy the entire game. Sure she smiled and joked, but most of those were just her being a *itch. Admittedly, you got me on the "seeming outwardly normal." Can't explain that.

No Jack does hesitate to kill Aresh if you don't choose the charm or intimidate option. Plus if you convince her not to shoot him, when you talk to her back on the Normandy she shows empathy for Aresh and how he was living in the past every day. And she does show normal emotions many times throughout the game, plus she shows legitament happiness at the end of her paragon romance scene where she's laying in bed with Shepard smiling.

[Mondo47]

Jackal904 wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

And Jack pretty much is "incapable of empathy." For instance, even if you convice her not to kill whats-his-face, It's not because she feels any empathy for him. It's because she wants to get on with her life. As for "lack[ing] various normal human emotions." I doubt if i ever saw her genuinly happy the entire game. Sure she smiled and joked, but most of those were just her being a *itch. Admittedly, you got me on the "seeming outwardly normal." Can't explain that.

No Jack does hesitate to kill Aresh if you don't choose the charm or intimidate option. Plus if you convince her not to shoot him, when you talk to her back on the Normandy she shows empathy for Aresh and how he was living in the past every day. And she does show normal emotions many times throughout the game, plus she shows legitament happiness at the end of her paragon romance scene where she's laying in bed with Shepard smiling.

And if I remember rightly (going back to my first playthrough here) if you try to Renegade her into killing Aresh she refuses and lets him go.

[adriano_c]

Considering I had her blow his brains out yesterday...nah.

-edit. She even replies with something like "That felt...good!"

Modifié par adriano_c, 26 avril 2010 - 08:51 .

[Booglarize]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

So we just label her a *itch? I like the Psychopath trailer. I think it fits. And Jack pretty much is "incapable of empathy." For instance, even if you convice her not to kill whats-his-face, It's not because she feels any empathy for him. It's because she wants to get on with her life. As for "lack[ing] various normal human emotions." I doubt if i ever saw her genuinly happy the entire game. Sure she smiled and joked, but most of those were just her being a *itch. Admittedly, you got me on the "seeming outwardly normal." Can't explain that.

Well, the nuances of the Aresh thing have already been pointed out, but I'd just like to make a general note on emotions... Basically, you have to distinguish between people who are incapable of being happy and people who are simply unhappy as a result of their circumstances. Jack strikes me as one of the latter - I don't think too many normal people, if they experienced the things that Jack did, would be much happier than she is. 

[drunken pyromaniac]

A note, true psychopaths are also incapable of love. They view friends, family, even children as tools to be used. Jack clearly, at least in my opinion, is falling in love with Shepard.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 26 avril 2010 - 09:45 .

[MHRazer]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

A note, true psychopaths are also incapable of love. They view friends, family, even children as tools to be used. Jack clearly, at least in my opinion, is falling in love with Shepard.

Agreed. I know whenever I think of a psychopath I think of that episode of 'House' where the patient is a manipulative psychopath. She treats the people around her exactly as you describe. It's actually a very scary episode to be honest, and Jack is nothing like that. 

[drunken pyromaniac]

MHRazer wrote...

Agreed. I know whenever I think of a psychopath I think of that episode of 'House' where the patient is a manipulative psychopath. She treats the people around her exactly as you describe. It's actually a very scary episode to be honest, and Jack is nothing like that. 

I just figure they decided on that label because it sounded cool and because of the popular culture view of psychopaths. It's just jarring for me because my mother is a doctor who deals with these sort of people on occasion. Not to mention my great-aunt was a diagnosed psychopath. Not the murdering kind or anything but the cold calculating kind. Jack seems to be more the traumatized victim of abuse to me.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 26 avril 2010 - 10:01 .

[Jackal904]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Jack seems to be more the traumatized victim of abuse to me.

Grunt: The Savage
Thane: The Assassin
Mordin: The Genius
Jack: The Traumatized Victim of Abuse

Modifié par Jackal904, 26 avril 2010 - 10:21 .

[Mondo47]

How is Grunt a 'savage' per-se? That one always made me wonder, too!

Is it because he's Krogan? That Turian's right! Humans are all racist!

[drunken pyromaniac]

Jackal904 wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Jack seems to be more the traumatized victim of abuse to me.

Grunt: The Savage
Thane: The Assassin
Mordin: The Genius
Jack: The Traumatized Victim of Abuse

True. lol Doesn't have the same ring to it. I would have benn fine with The Convict or The...The...nah, that's all I've got.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Mondo47 wrote...

How is Grunt a 'savage' per-se? That one always made me wonder, too!
Is it because he's Krogan? That Turian's right! Humans are all racist!

Well, the whole peeling a turian's plates off with a clawhammer thing might have something to do with it. He is kind of bloodthirsty. Isn't that why we love him?

[Jackal904]

Mondo47 wrote...

How is Grunt a 'savage' per-se? That one always made me wonder, too!
Is it because he's Krogan? That Turian's right! Humans are all racist!

Because it's SOOPAR KEUL DOOD! For the same reason Jack is called a psychopath.

I'm surprised they didn't name someone, "X Elite stealth sniper shadow killer X". Isn't that what the kids are into these days?

[royceclemens]

Well, in the defense of EA's marketing team (and by Christ, THAT'S a phrase I never thought I'd see myself type), Grunt is a savage up until The Rite. We are the reason he's "not dead or crazed like some animal."

But going with "The Psychopath" instead of "The Convict" is a huge error in judgment. Medically and cool-wise.

I mean calling someone "The Convict." That just sounds so... Cool. I wanna be "The Convict." I'm just stuck with "The Putz."

Oh, and thanks for the suuport on the Plot thread, Mondo.

Modifié par royceclemens, 26 avril 2010 - 11:29 .

[Razorsedge820]

I would have preferred if Jack was labeled "The Bad****" or "The Rebel".

[drunken pyromaniac]

The Rebel would have been good for her.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 26 avril 2010 - 11:49 .

[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

I wonder if Jack is still technically a convict.  Did Cerberus buy her freedom from Purgatory?  Did TIM just pull some strings to get her off of there, since Jack is technically his property (I hated typing that sentence <_<)?

I assume that she was imprisoned on Purgatory for her crimes, so she's been serving time and repaying her debt to society.  Several societies, Hanar among them.  Has she "repaid" her debt, then, if she was "bought" from the Warden?  How the heck does the judicial system work in situations like that?

It doesn't work? It's not clearly not about justice since the Warden just wants to make money. The whole thing with the Purgatory was just a well organized slave trade disguised as a prison for extreme criminals.

[drunken pyromaniac]

I always thought any record of Jack's criminal past would have been destroyed in the destruction of the Purgatory. As far as the galaxy is concerned, I bet she's presumed dead.