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[Mondo47]

I think the only thing I can say is all my Sheps have leaned towards Paragons, but none are purely that - my Sheps aren't Lawful Stupid

Some are more amoral than others, and some just like being a mite sardonic and anti-authority, but I cannot ever bring myself to be a Renegade all the time... I don't find playing a douchebag simulator much fun.

And as far as Jack goes... I couldn't inflict another douchebag on her. She needs someone genuine, poor wee mite.

[Ultai]

My main...canon or what have you is a Paragade.  I like to think I rp my earthborn warhero Shep as a guy who's seen how to deal with the low lifes by his experience on the streets (doesn't waste time with mercs).  The military set him straight and gave him discipline and a new outlook on life.

Plus the opportunity to get off Earth and explore space, happened to win a medal and all that.  Kind and loyal to his teammates...partly driven by a genuine interest in aliens.  Although there are certain situations where I tried to stayed neutral, like the genophage...more like a "glad I'm not in your shoes" Mordin, ended up keeping the data though.

I find the game is most enjoyable when you either go Paragade,100% paragon 50%+ renegade or Renagon 100% renegade 50%+ paragon.

Modifié par Ultai, 28 avril 2010 - 01:48 .

[trucoolbrees]

It was just her being playful, heh.

[royceclemens]

Of the eleven Sheps I'm going to import into ME3 (2 main, 9 mini), a whopping ten of them are about an 80/20 ParaRen split. I find it comforting that as a human being the things I would honestly do were I Shepard don't make me all that evil, at least in the eyes of BioWare's programmers.



But the one Pure Paragon I have is my Main Male Shepard, and sure enough, he's romancing Jack. I even role play him as a former Boy Scout, because if there's a way I like my irony, it's nice and thick.



But more than that, though, Jack needs an opposite to break her out of her shell. It's one thing to fill her head with how you're there for her and won't use her and be nice to her and all that. But don't you have to walk the walk?

[Jackal904]

Ultai wrote...

My main...canon or what have you is a Paragade.  I like to think I rp my earthborn warhero Shep as a guy who's seen how to deal with the low lifes by his experience on the streets (doesn't waste time with mercs).  The military set him straight and gave him discipline and a new outlook on life.

Plus the opportunity to get off Earth and explore space, happened to win a medal and all that.  Kind and loyal to his teammates...partly driven by a genuine interest in aliens.  Although there are certain situations where I tried to stayed neutral, like the genophage...more like a "glad I'm not in your shoes" Mordin, ended up keeping the data though.

I find the game is most enjoyable when you either go Paragade,100% paragon 50%+ renegade or Renagon 100% renegade 50%+ paragon.

It's interesting how people roleplay their Shepard. They create these backstories and personalities for their Shepard that go beyond what you choose when you create him/her. I also do that. My male Shepard is an Earthborn war hero. He was quite the renegade when he was young and he was involved in a gang and did a lot of stupid stuff. He eventually wanted to escape that life and do something good for once, so he joined the Alliance. He worked hard and did a lot of reflecting during that time and became very compassionate and selfless as a result. He has put his past behind him completely and now works very hard to do good.

I think his background would compliment Jack very well. He too didn't have a good childhood and he was also involved in a lot of bad things, obviously not as severe as Jack, but he was able to move past it and do incredible things. He believes in giving people a second chance and he knows people who have done wrong throughout most of their life can change.

[Booglarize]

Jackal904 wrote...


It's interesting how people roleplay their Shepard. They create these backstories and personalities for their Shepard that go beyond what you choose when you create him/her.

As long as we're sharing...

I didn't have any elaborate backstory for my main Shepard back when I first began playing, but lately I've started seeing him as a reincarnation of my Neverwinter Nights 2 character. They both have the same name, they look kind of similar, their occupations are roughly equivalent (rogue and infiltrator respectively)... and they both have bald girlfriends. 

[Razorsedge820]

I felt the Colonist and Sole Survivor backgrounds are the best match to romance Jack. Shepard not only had to go through the trauma of losing everything he/she came to love and know at a young age but has to live with the burden of watching his/her entire unit be killed on Akuze. Both Shepard and Jack can relate to each other through their bloodstained past and both eventually trust each other enough to share those bad memories with one another.

I like to think that my male Shepard had never shared or talked about what happened on Mindoir, Akuze or any tragic event in his life with anybody not even Ashley "who he romanced in ME1". He was stuck in bottomless pit for awhile after Mindoir and Akuze almost forcing him to give up on life. In this pit Shepard went to alcohol, sex, violence, and drugs as an escape but was able to get back on his feet before it was to late to turn back.

But when he meets Jack a women who has been through MORE hell than he has and is living in a bottomless pit like he has twice Shepard is concerned for her well being and somewhat intimated. These feelings eventually lead into curiosity and then.....well you know what happens next. But anyway thats how I like to role play with my Shepard. It is interesting to see what background stories fans created for their Shepard.

Modifié par Razorsedge820, 28 avril 2010 - 03:17 .

[Dominus5412]

My Sheps are always both alignments, and simply react to a situation in a way I think is most fitting.

[Razorsedge820]

I have a question. How many Jack fans here have a Shepard with a spacer background and romanced her? I'm curious to know because Hannah Shepard will most likely not approve of Jack. Shepard introducing Jack to mother at a nice fancy restauraunt.........I just cant see it working out well.

Modifié par Razorsedge820, 28 avril 2010 - 03:25 .

[Dominus5412]

I always go Spacer, and since when have parents ever really approved of the people their kids are dating?

[Ultai]

Regarding Shep's past, I always thought it would be humorous to see scenes of an 18 year old Shepard being on the receiving end of a drill instructor in boot camp. 

[Jackal904]

Razorsedge820 wrote...

I have a question. How many Jack fans here have a Shepard with a spacer background and romanced her? I'm curious to know because Hannah Shepard will most likely not approve of Jack. Shepard introducing Jack to mother at a nice fancy restauraunt.........I just cant see it working out well.

I have never chosen the spacer background because I find it the least interesting, and it would make me feel like... well, a ****. I don't know how else to put it .

[royceclemens]

Razorsedge820 wrote...

I have a question. How many Jack fans here have a Shepard with a spacer background and romanced her? I'm curious to know because Hannah Shepard will most likely not approve of Jack. Shepard introducing Jack to mother at a nice fancy restauraunt.........I just cant see it working out well.

I've got my Spacer War Hero romancing her.  I feel getting Jack and Hannah alone for a few hours might be the best way to get them both acclimated.  I mean, if Jack grew on us over time, wouldn't it happen with her?  Yeah, there's the same rigamarole you see in situations like this in fiction, the whole "You're not good enough for my son" schtick. Which in this case might be interesting, as I'm sure Jack is wondering what the hell Shepard sees in her herself.

Hmm.  A conversation between Jack and Hannah.  I know we're all thinking it, but I might as well be the first to say it.

Mondo?  If you could be so kind as to work your magic? 

[InStereoWhereAvailable]

royceclemens wrote...

*Snip*

Hmm.  A conversation between Jack and Hannah.  I know we're all thinking it, but I might as well be the first to say it.

Mondo?  If you could be so kind as to work your magic? 

Story Time! Story Time! *Gathers candy and favorite blanket*

Modifié par InStereoWhereAvailable, 28 avril 2010 - 05:12 .

[Urdaniel]

Most of my MeerSheps are Colonist/Sole Survivors, although lately I've been toying with an Earthborn/Sole Survivor for roleplaying purposes.  Unlike the tragedy upon tragedy that tends to define C/SS Sheps, I'm thinking that the harsh, cutthroat beginning of an E/SS was what enabled him to survive Akuze and deal with the trauma afterward (or not deal, depending on how things shake out).  In terms of romancing Jack, the Earthborn part could provide a point of similarity in that they would both have the gang thing in common (which could cut either way since Jack seems to have developed something of an aversion to organized groups prior to Shepard), and the personal trauma of surviving Akuze would show that it's possible to rise above events that might break other people (something that  applies to the Earthborn part as well).  However, I can see her, in a particularly abrasive and tactless moment, pointing out that Shepard hasn't been in the s*** as often or for as long as she has, and as such, it doesn't cut any ice with her.

[royceclemens]

Urdaniel wrote...

Most of my MeerSheps are Colonist/Sole Survivors, although lately I've been toying with an Earthborn/Sole Survivor for roleplaying purposes.  Unlike the tragedy upon tragedy that tends to define C/SS Sheps, I'm thinking that the harsh, cutthroat beginning of an E/SS was what enabled him to survive Akuze and deal with the trauma afterward (or not deal, depending on how things shake out).  In terms of romancing Jack, the Earthborn part could provide a point of similarity in that they would both have the gang thing in common (which could cut either way since Jack seems to have developed something of an aversion to organized groups prior to Shepard), and the personal trauma of surviving Akuze would show that it's possible to rise above events that might break other people (something that  applies to the Earthborn part as well).  However, I can see her, in a particularly abrasive and tactless moment, pointing out that Shepard hasn't been in the s*** as often or for as long as she has, and as such, it doesn't cut any ice with her.

Interesting.  But being as I've cast my lot with an S/WH Shepard, I'm gonna try and make my case for how I think it works.

We've run the gamut in recent weeks on how much "fixing" Jack needs (and various levels of semantics involved in what "fixing" means).  But can we take this the other way?  Don't you think that Shepard might need a little "breaking?"  I'm trying to roleplay it in general terms as opposed to really specific ones (other than the Boy Scout thing, I don't have a lot in the way of general backstory), but I'm trying to make it more an act of symbiosis as opposed to being the man of the tattooed lady's dreams.  I want Shepard to help Jack find her inner good girl while she helps Shepard find his inner bad boy.

Which is why in a general playthrough, the final neutral exchange in the Murtock conversation works.  It goes (and I'm doing this from memory, so I hope I don't screw it up too badly)...

SHEPARD: You don't understand.  I don't give up.  Ever.

JACK: I'll just f--k you up, Shepard.

SHEPARD: Here's hoping.

JACK: That doesn't even make sense!

SHEPARD: Does it have to?

Modifié par royceclemens, 28 avril 2010 - 07:03 .

[Urdaniel]

royceclemens wrote...
Interesting.  But being as I've cast my lot with an S/WH Shepard, I'm gonna try and make my case for how I think it works.

We've run the gamut in recent weeks on how much "fixing" Jack needs (and various levels of semantics involved in what "fixing" means).  But can we take this the other way?  Don't you think that Shepard might need a little "breaking?"  I'm trying to roleplay it in general terms as opposed to really specific ones (other than the Boy Scout thing, I don't have a lot in the way of general backstory), but I'm trying to make it more an act of symbiosis as opposed to being the man of the tattooed lady's dreams.  I want Shepard to help Jack find her inner good girl while she helps Shepard find his inner bad boy.

Which is why in a general playthrough, the final neutral exchange in the Murtock conversation works.  It goes (and I'm doing this from memory, so I hope I don't screw it up too badly)...

SHEPARD: You don't understand.  I don't give up.  Ever.

JACK: I'll just f--k you up, Shepard.

SHEPARD: Here's hoping.

JACK: That doesn't even make sense!

SHEPARD: Does it have to?

Y'know, I like this whole "meeting in the middle" thing you're talking about (assuming I haven't completely missed your point, and if I have I apologize in advance).  The more common interpretation of their relationship (or at least the full-on Paragon choices one) is that Shepard rides in and helps her get on the path to healing, even if he can't actually fix her.  He changes her, but is not changed himself - seeing Jack's true self underneath all the armor and accepting her is already part of his Boy Scout/White Knight persona, so it's not change for him at all.  As such, their relationship is inherently unequal/imbalanced.  Going your route, Shepard and Jack change each other and come out the other side as equals, which is where I'd personally like to see them end up (seeing as how I prefer Battle Couples where both halves of the equation are, well, equal).

[royceclemens]

It is meeting in the middle, but it's also give-and-take. The thing about pretty much all the relationships in the game is that it's usually one-sided with one side making all the sacrifices. Or one side showing the lion's share of the interest. But the genius of Jack is that there are just so damn many ways to play her. You can swoop in, full Paragon and have your good deed for the day showing her how nice people can be, and that's fine. You can go Renegade and get yourself a brainwashed groupie, and if your Shepard's a motherf--ker, that's fine too.

But the way I play it, it's more like they see something in each other. I mean I've read what people want to see from Jack in ME3 and that usually goes along the lines of "I want her to be nicer, but still the violent, foul-mouthed ass-kicker we know and love." Shouldn't Shepard return the favor? It just seems more like a romance that way.

Modifié par royceclemens, 28 avril 2010 - 09:09 .

[Epantiras]

My "canon" Shepard is female, colonist and sole survivor. And she's damn disappointed that she can't kick some Cerberus ass in ME2...

I haven't imagined any particular "extended backstory", my bad. Anyway, in ME1 she was mostly paragon, I almost filled the paragon bar while the renegade one was just 1/4 full.

In ME2 she became paragade (maybe because of all those renegade interruptions that just demand you to click).

Anyway, you can't imagine how surprised I was when I discovered that Jack and a colonist/sole survivor Shepard have so much in common. The difference is that Jack looks cooler with shades.

[royceclemens]

My MaleShep couldn't even get his Renegade bar THAT full in ME1. I kinda have to disagree at least a little about how easy it was to be a Renegade in ME1 because all the Paragon choices are the ones I legitimately would have taken... Yup, I'm a wuss.

[Jackal904]

royceclemens wrote...

I'm sure Jack is wondering what the hell Shepard sees in her herself.

I've been wondering if she thinks this too. Here's Miranda, with an amazing body and a tight outfit, smoking hot. Kelly who's pretty good looking and normal minus her promiscuity. And Samara who's an Asari which everyone likes. There are several more "normal" females on the ship that Shepard can try to hook up with, yet he chooses the tattood chick with the shaved head, violent attitude, foul mouth, and some seriously traumatic and emotional baggage. I'm sure Jack is baffled as to why Shepard would choose her.