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[Jackal904]

Collider wrote...

One of the things I've heard people say was that Jack's romance moved too fast.

They try and make the arguement that you couldn't have changed her attitude so quickly, but I disagree. The events of ME2 actually span across several weeks, it's just not clear. There are a few lines of dialogue in the game that hint at how much time has passed. So then you can say, "yeah well they only have a few conversations." Well she's been around you for a while so you can say she becomes more comfortable with you just by being part of your squad for so long. In one conversation she says, "We've seen a lot of **** together," in a way that implies she is becoming more comfortable with you because you've done a lot together.

Also, the one time she finally fully opens up is when she comes to you in your cabin. Every conversation before then, she says she wants to think about their "relationship", which realisticly makes sense. Normally, she would think about it more and the relationship would not have moved so fast. But because you're about to go through the Omega 4 relay on a suicide mission, her and/or Shepard could die. So it's a 'now or never scenario', and she would regret it if she missed the only opportunity to show affection to the first person in a long time who genuinely cares about her.

Plus you have to understand that the developers can only fit so much into one game. I'm sure they would have loved to include more conversations with every character, but they have limitations and deadlines to meet.

[trucoolbrees]

[quote]Collider wrote...

[quote]Point.

There is, however, a sort of unsettling aspect to "healing" Jack by romancing her. Seriously, wouldn't a professional psychiatrist (which Kelly supposedly is though she never seems to do anything besides talk about sex) be more qualified? I doubt Shepard's got a doctorate in psychology. 


Jack doesn't strike me as a person who'd be, ...eh ....open to psychiatric evaluation. But that's just me.

[Collider]

I agree completely Jackal. That's how I felt as well. The only romance I felt ever moved too fast was Liara's.

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

Point.

There is, however, a sort of unsettling aspect to "healing" Jack by romancing her. Seriously, wouldn't a professional psychiatrist (which Kelly supposedly is though she never seems to do anything besides talk about sex) be more qualified? I doubt Shepard's got a doctorate in psychology.

The thing with Jack is that her main "problem" is that all her life people have used and abused her. When someone comes along who does not want to do either, shouldn't she reevaluate her opinions regarding people?

Her main problem is that she's a deeply traumatized woman.

[Epantiras]

Collider wrote...

I agree completely Jackal. That's how I felt as well. The only romance I felt ever moved too fast was Liara's.

The problem with Liara is that she's basically a "grown up teenager" with a crush on Shepard. That's the only way to explain why she's soooo attracted to Shepard even if she has just met him/her. Or maybe that's just an "asari thing". <_<

[Collider]

Nivenus wrote...

Collider wrote...

Point.

There is, however, a sort of unsettling aspect to "healing" Jack by romancing her. Seriously, wouldn't a professional psychiatrist (which Kelly supposedly is though she never seems to do anything besides talk about sex) be more qualified? I doubt Shepard's got a doctorate in psychology.

The thing with Jack is that her main "problem" is that all her life people have used and abused her. When someone comes along who does not want to do either, shouldn't she reevaluate her opinions regarding people?

Her main problem is that she's a deeply traumatized woman.

Which resulted from all that abuse.

[Jackal904]

Nivenus wrote...

Collider wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Collider wrote...

One of the things I've heard people say was that Jack's romance moved too fast.

I've heard them say that her romance moves too fast, or that it shouldn't happen at all. 

All of the ME2 romances move at a breakneck speed.

I think Jack's romance is just fine.  I think that the problem isn't really that the romance shouldn't happen, it's that it's impossible to get a glimpse of the entirety of her character without romancing her.

Though I think that's not too bad - we should be getting some unique dialog that reveals more facets of her character if we romance her. I do wish there were friendship paths ala Dragon Age. The reason why I've heard people say her romance moves too fast is because they think that Jack wouldn't be able to trust someone that quickly or lessen her suspicions about people that quickly. I'd have to disagree on the basis that, aside possibly from the one person who tragically died, she's never met anyone like Shepard so realistically she's going to act different than she would with other people.

Point.

There is, however, a sort of unsettling aspect to "healing" Jack by romancing her. Seriously, wouldn't a professional psychiatrist (which Kelly supposedly is though she never seems to do anything besides talk about sex) be more qualified? I doubt Shepard's got a doctorate in psychology.

Jack says that she does not like psychologist types. She reacts negatively whenever Shepard acts that way. She responds better to most neutral dialouge options because you don't sound like an **** and you don't sound like a psychologist trying to analyze her brain.

[Collider]

I don't think Shepard thinks he can "fix" her but that doesn't mean he can't help her.

Modifié par Collider, 30 avril 2010 - 08:03 .

[Nivenus]

Collider wrote...

I don't think Shepard thinks he can "fix" her but that doesn't mean he can't help her.

I agree. I don't think that's the intention behind the romance. But there are serious issues about starting a relationship with someone who's been through so much abuse, particularly given that some of it has been sexual.

I'm not saying it can't work, I'm just saying it's my main problem with the romance and I've seen quite a few who are turned off of it completely for that very reason.

[Epantiras]

yorkj86 wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

I promised not to show it before it was finished, but since I've uploaded it on DeviantArt for feedback, why not posting it here too?

Disclaimer: this drawing SUCKS and I HATE IT. The drawing itself is praying the Art God to evolve into something better or to cease existing.

Comments and costructive criticism are welcome.

Oh, man!  Such negativity!  Of course it'll never get finished, or it won't turn out the way you want it to, if you treat it like it's torture to draw.

I like it alot.  Keep at it.  Her facial expression is a little puzzling - is that anger, or surprise? 

I tried to imagine her expression when she enters the Teltin facility. She basically has the door frame behind her, the only source of light of the scene, rain coming down from the sky and darkness all around.
Basically, the background would be like this:

[Jackal904]

Epantiras wrote...

I promised not to show it before it was finished, but since I've uploaded it on DeviantArt for feedback, why not posting it here too?

Disclaimer: this drawing SUCKS and I HATE IT. The drawing itself is praying the Art God to evolve into something better or to cease existing.

Comments and costructive criticism are welcome.

You are far too critical of yourself. I think it's great :happy:. Very impressive. The only thing I would change is her facial expression. Everything else looks great so far. Her body looks very good and proportional, including the head . And you did an amazing job on her pants. The weapon looks fine. I can tell it's an eviscerator.

[Mondo47]

Jackal904 wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

I promised not to show it before it was finished, but since I've uploaded it on DeviantArt for feedback, why not posting it here too?

Disclaimer: this drawing SUCKS and I HATE IT. The drawing itself is praying the Art God to evolve into something better or to cease existing.

Comments and costructive criticism are welcome.

You are far too critical of yourself. I think it's great :happy:. Very impressive. The only thing I would change is her facial expression. Everything else looks great so far. Her body looks very good and proportional, including the head . And you did an amazing job on her pants. The weapon looks fine. I can tell it's an eviscerator.

What Jackal said! It's good - trust us!

The facial expression... with her eyes looking up slightly and that somewhat "WTF?" curl of the lips... I immediately had this image of Grunt trotting up beside her doing something a little bit bizarre... holding something above his head to use for something... throwing a varren at the Collectors or using Miranda to break down a door...

[Epantiras]

Mondo47 wrote...
 using Miranda to break down a door...

That would be an awesome replacement for the door-hacking minigame :innocent:

[Jackal904]

Nivenus wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't think Shepard thinks he can "fix" her but that doesn't mean he can't help her.

I agree. I don't think that's the intention behind the romance. But there are serious issues about starting a relationship with someone who's been through so much abuse, particularly given that some of it has been sexual.

I'm not saying it can't work, I'm just saying it's my main problem with the romance and I've seen quite a few who are turned off of it completely for that very reason.

Shepard doesn't "fix" Jack by the end of her romance subplot. Shepard is just showing her that he does care about her and that it's ok to put her giant gaurd down that she has constructed. She's still violent, she's still tough, she still swears a lot, she still enjoys firefights. But now she feels comfortable knowing that she has someone who cares about her.

And she is a lot more sane than people think. You just have to talk to her
to figure it out. I don't see how anyone can complete her paragon romance and still think that it shouldn't be possible.

[Mondo47]

Well, folk wondered how to improve hacking - there you go! And I thought of how to make Urz a party member too! I'm on a roll tonight!

[Epantiras]

Mondo47 wrote...

And I thought of how to make Urz a party member too!

Romanceable, please!!!

[Mondo47]

Epantiras wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

And I thought of how to make Urz a party member too!

Romanceable, please!!!

Kinky...

Though I think as a thrown weapon he'd be better than the Cain... I can never hit s**t with that thing...

[Epantiras]

Mondo47 wrote...

Kinky...

Though I think as a thrown weapon he'd be better than the Cain... I can never hit s**t with that thing...

Good to know I'm the only one who can't use the Cain! It takes forever to shoot and all I managed to acheive was killing Grunt and Miranda in one shot o_o


I just realized something today: Jack in Purgatory reminds me a lot of.... Ellen Ripley in the Prison Planet of Alien 3!!!

Modifié par Epantiras, 30 avril 2010 - 08:42 .