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[Epantiras]

[Mondo47]

Epantiras wrote...

Forced to read Harry Potter... oh Jack, there are no words, not enough cuddles in the universe...

[Mak999]

Epantiras wrote...

That's funny:lol:

[trucoolbrees]

Epantiras wrote...

Priceless!!!!!

[Jackal904]

Epantiras wrote...

Haha, I love how Shepard looks. And I would rather have spinal surgery than read Twighlight. I cannot stand that series <_<.

[Little Paw]

That comic rocked.

[Nightwriter]

What's with all the Twilight hate I see around here? I thought it was kind of unremarkable, but not awful.

[Collider]

Nightwriter wrote...

What's with all the Twilight hate I see around here? I thought it was kind of unremarkable, but not awful.

Jack and sparkling vampires do not mix.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Collider wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

What's with all the Twilight hate I see around here? I thought it was kind of unremarkable, but not awful.

Jack and sparkling vampires do not mix.

Do sparkling vampires mix with anything?

[Azint]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Do sparkling vampires mix with anything?

Fangirls.

[Collider]

@pyro: That's true. They don't.

To answer your question further, Nightwriter, the Twilight books as I've heard about them basically involve Mary Sue as the main character falling in teenage love with some superhuman angsty vampire named Edward. Bella the main character is the typical Mary Sue who's greatest flaw is that she's annoyed at being so popular and beautiful.

Modifié par Collider, 02 mai 2010 - 10:38 .

[stormrain]

Hmm, it's been a while since I've posted, but I think I can come out of my lurker's corner and say how awesome your comic is, Epantiras. It made me spit my soda out!  Everything you draw makes me smile.

Collider wrote...

@pyro: That's true. They don't.

To answer your question further, Nightwriter, the Twilight books as I've heard about them basically involve Mary Sue as the main character falling in teenage love with some superhuman angsty vampire named Edward. Bella the main character is the typical Mary Sue who's greatest flaw is that she's annoyed at being so popular and beautiful.

Agreed. Though to me Twilight seemed to revolve around a girl's ultimate struggle between necrophilia and bestiality. I guess that's what happens when bad fanfiction reaches publishers.

[royceclemens]

Nightwriter wrote...

What's with all the Twilight hate I see around here? I thought it was kind of unremarkable, but not awful.

Well, I've read the first book, and judging from personal experience...

-Out of Elmore Leonard's Ten Rules of Writing (which I myself try to follow during my ill-advised attempts at prose), Stephenie Meyer only followed two of them, one of which only technically.

-Meyer never met an adverb she didn't want to get into a shotgun wedding with.  In spite of this, she isn't quite talented enough to pull off pure purple prose.  But there is a definite fuschia tint there.

-Edward Cullen is an abusive assclown, indicating that Meyer is either perverse on a level that would terrify Freud, or she is blissfully unaware of how her characters act.

-Start a drinking game where you take a shot of rye every time she uses the word "chagrin" or any variation thereof.  You will die of cirrhosis before you get halfway through the book.

-Meyer forgets that a story needs, yknow, conflict and stuff until about sixty pages from the end and she has to summon it out of thin air... And I do mean this literally.  Three vampires we've never seen before just walk out of the woods to start trouble.

You know what?  I can use TWILIGHT as a trigger to talk about Jack.  Oh yes, it can be done.  Neither King Kong nor Houdini got nuthin' on me...

In TWILIGHT we have Edward Cullen, all lonely and morose and cursed, and in walks Mary Sue who pretty much changes his life for the better and a happily ever after is in the offing.

Of course this is the same kind of chestnut that's been in art since the beginning, from Romeo Montague to every character James Dean played to Cloud Strife.

But now we have Jack, in the same scenario only, well, female.  Yet there has been talk on this forum (and hell, even on this very thread a few pages back) that Shepard is somehow manipulating Jack for his own ends simply by romancing her.

So my question is why can't this (forgive me, oh Lord  http://tvtropes.org/...TroubledButCute) work for men and not women?  Is Jack a special case?  Thoughts?

Modifié par royceclemens, 03 mai 2010 - 03:06 .

[axl99]

I believe the Japanese call it "tsundere".

But other than Jack's little "Gawddammit" moment, I can't think of anything else that will get a DAWHHHH response outta people.

Modifié par axl99, 03 mai 2010 - 03:15 .

[axl99]

You mean before she biotically slams him into a wall and scrapes his bloody battered body all along the surface to write "IDIOT"?

Modifié par axl99, 03 mai 2010 - 03:24 .

[royceclemens]

yorkj86 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

So my question is why can't this (forgive me, oh Lord  http://tvtropes.org/...TroubledButCute) work for men and not women?  Is Jack a special case?  Thoughts?

There's so much potential for misogyny in attempting to explain this phenomenon, so I'm just going to keep my mouth shut.   Just know that the potential is there.

Well, I didn't ask the question to start a gender-political pissing match (and this being the Jack thread, it wouldn't happen anyway), but I tend to get a little cross-eyed when someone suggests that the Jack romance is a "manipulation."  Like the girl is impaired on a basic decision-making level.  And taking into mind the cynical implication that "only a good man can 'fix' Jack," then shouldn't the rationale hold that "only a good woman can 'fix' Garrus?"  Either everyone on the ship has this problem, or none of them do.

I just want to see if I'm missing something.  I really do wnat to know if Jack is a special case.  I'll probably wind up disagreeing, but at least I'll have a solid differing opinion that will help me appreciate the work as a whole.

[axl99]

One can say the process of wooing Miranda/Jacob also involves turning them against the Illusive Man. Tali/Kelly/Thane/Garrus may also probably there because some of the players just want the smex. Even Ashley or Kaiden from the first game can be "convinced" to change the way they think about the Council/Alliance/aliens in general so their opinions align with yours.

So yeah, when it comes down to it there's manipulation on the player's part to drag out any form of like-minded affection out of people.

With Jack, you can hardly find her being verbally affectionate with you. She still sitting on her haunches eyeing you up one way or another.

Modifié par axl99, 03 mai 2010 - 03:33 .

[axl99]

York. No. Just. No.