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[Errationatus]

Firstly, I'd just like to say that I wasn't as respectful to the other ladies I mentioned as I could have been.  I was trying to be humourous, and missed the mark a bit.  Live and learn.

Jackal904 wrote...

I agree about Miranda. I find her to be the type of girl who goes out with the captain of the football team just because he's the captain of the football team. And I think most of the audience that her character is aimed to attract, expect little to no more than that.

Very likely true, which, if you think about it, is a disservice to Miranda.  Her character has an enormous potential to move past that stereotype, given the glimpses we saw during her loyalty mission, and her interactions with Lanteia, Jacob and Niket.  The brief look on her face when she told Jacob that she 'keeps her promises' showed enormous class on her part, I thought, and a genuine desire to do the right thing by those who have dealt with her fairly.  She's a very capable woman and no one's toy, but she was painted with curt brushstrokes and she deserves better treatment.

I too find Tali's romance kinda creepy. She's been like a little sister to Shepard throughout both ME games, and to romance her would feel a bit incestuous. That's just my opinion though.

That was the word I had been thinking of, and couldn't articulate: incestuous.  Tali is a great character, she has a very interesting story arc, and if I didn't like her so much, I might have enjoyed the idea of a relationship with her more, if you follow me.  As it was, it simply made me uncomfortable trying it more than once.

I also agree with why you think so many females like Jack, but I also think it has something to do with their stronger maternal feelings. Mondo has said this several times. Their inner parent yells at them to help this extremely troubled young girl.

I'll have to take their word for that.  I wonder how the paternal sides of things shape up in this context?  I wonder what the dads think?

EDIT: unneeded words.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 04 mai 2010 - 07:23 .

[Collider]

royceclemens wrote...
I'm kinda new to the BW forums, so hopefully someone can fill me in: What was it like before ME2?  Was everyone sweating over whether or not their favorite characters would return then as well?

I'm not sure about sweating, but there were character threads that asked for the squad mates to return. I know Garrus, Tali, and Liara had threads. Kaidan seems to have had a resurgence of popularity after ME2 for some reason, Ashley too but in a smaller way. When word let out that Ashley/Kaidan/Liara were going to be sidelined, of course many people were disappointed and annoyed with Bioware.

[axl99]

From what I gathered, yes.

Tali and Garrus were obvious choices.. Wrex was sorely missed when Grunt's name popped up for the first time. Then there's those who wanted Liara, Ashley or Kaidan. Since they were LIs there were lots of sweaty palms and twiddling thumbs.


Random thought of the evening:

Miranda = older sister
Tali = younger sister
Jack = the tomboy girl next door who kicks your ass in dodgeball

Modifié par axl99, 04 mai 2010 - 07:11 .

[Errationatus]

axl99 wrote...

I'm all for great conversation, but I do agree that at times it's difficult to stay objective in a discussion about something most of us are so emotionally invested in.

I like Jack's character - hell, I like them all - I like the story, I like playing the game.  I have, however, no emotional investment in her.  I have neither created nor own her.  She an interesting and very well-created character in a decent story, but that's as far as it goes for me.  Interest, yes, emotional, no. 

To those who did create and do own her, kudos for doing a fine job.  Their emotional investment makes her and her story interesting, and will certainly bring me back for more - for which I thank them. 

Fan, yes.  Fanatic, nein.  Talimancer never, I fear. 

[Errationatus]

Collider wrote...

I just had to disagree with Jake dismissing some of the other characters. Jack is a great, unique character, but she's not the only character who is great and unique.

I agree.  As I said, I was just trying to be facetious and it fell flat.  Personally, I think the other gals are missed opportunities, and I hope they get better treatment in ME3.

[axl99]

Still curious to see what they'll do with the expansion pack, if and when it's out. But I'm not crossing any fingers just yet.

Modifié par axl99, 04 mai 2010 - 07:31 .

[Collider]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Collider wrote...

royceclemens wrote...
I'm kinda new to the BW forums, so hopefully someone can fill me in: What was it like before ME2?  Was everyone sweating over whether or not their favorite characters would return then as well?

I'm not sure about sweating, but there were character threads that asked for the squad mates to return. I know Garrus, Tali, and Liara had threads. Kaidan seems to have had a resurgence of popularity after ME2 for some reason, Ashley too but in a smaller way. When word let out that Ashley/Kaidan/Liara were going to be sidelined, of course many people were disappointed and annoyed with Bioware.

Hey Collider, what is your opinion on this?  I keep reading posts in the forums, that the reason Garrus and Tali are LI's in ME2, is because of fan support, as if it is a known fact.  I never have read or seen anything official from Bioware that would indicate this to be true.  Is is safe to say that this is strictly assumption and speculation in your opinion?  Or have you read or seen anyone from Bioware indicating this.

I am absolutely certain that the forums encouraged Bioware to make those two romances. in the case of Tali, it was something they considered anyway while making ME1, but they decided against it since they didn't think anyone would like Ms. chicken feet. As for Garrus, they never expected anyone to want to romance him, but then they saw the Garrus thread with plenty of women supporting him. There were one or two writers who posted in both the Garrus and Tali threads, so Bioware definitely took notice.

Modifié par Collider, 04 mai 2010 - 08:46 .

[Collider]

Ok, that is fair enough draw that from what you said about the writers posting comments. What do you think would have been the alternative? 2 less LI's in the game? That most likely would have to be the case I would think.

Probably two less, yea. It'd still be equal between male and female. Part of the complains some women had was that they only had one man in ME1 whereas the men had two women. It'd also be one more than ME1 (4 instead of 3 love interests), so definitely Bioware could still say that they had "more" love interests in ME2.

[Epantiras]

axl99 wrote...

Still curious to see what they'll do with the expansion pack, if and when it's out. But I'm not crossing any fingers just yet.

As long as it is something better than Awakening for DAO...
Clarification: I haven't played nor buyed Awakening, but I've heard that many are disappointed.

[Epantiras]

axl99 wrote...

Random thought of the evening:

Miranda = older sister
Tali = younger sister
Jack = the tomboy girl next door who kicks your ass in dodgeball

I agree about that ;-) I've noticed that Bioware games tend to have that patter, at least for the older sister / younger sister.

Baldur's Gate: Jaheira (older s.) Imoen (younger s.)
Kotor 1: Bastila (older s.) Mission (younger s.)
Dragon Age: Morrigan (older s.) Leliana (younger s.)


(sorry for the double post)

Modifié par Epantiras, 04 mai 2010 - 09:08 .

[Jackal904]

axl99 wrote...

Collider wrote...

axl99 wrote...

Depends on context. Music subgenre aside, apparently the term is used to offhandedly describe depressed, at times over-melodramatic, people who wallow in their self pity.

Which is the opposite of Jack.

Nah, she admits it of her own volition on Pragia.

In a response to a renegade comment she'll even say:

Jack: Y'know what? I like that. I ****** and moan, and you say "Grow the f*ck up". That victim garbage? It's half me. I think I get that.

She was only refering to her complaining from that specific conversation.

axl99 wrote...

Still curious to see what they'll do with
the expansion pack, if and when it's out. But I'm not crossing any
fingers just yet.

Ah yes "expansion pack." Downloadable content that consists of many new missions and not just some armor or a new weapon, BioWare had dismissed this claim.

Modifié par Jackal904, 04 mai 2010 - 12:53 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Jackal904 wrote...

axl99 wrote...

Collider wrote...

axl99 wrote...

Depends on context. Music subgenre aside, apparently the term is used to offhandedly describe depressed, at times over-melodramatic, people who wallow in their self pity.

Which is the opposite of Jack.

Nah, she admits it of her own volition on Pragia.

In a response to a renegade comment she'll even say:

Jack: Y'know what? I like that. I ****** and moan, and you say "Grow the f*ck up". That victim garbage? It's half me. I think I get that.

She was only refering to her complaining from that specific conversation.

axl99 wrote...

Still curious to see what they'll do with
the expansion pack, if and when it's out. But I'm not crossing any
fingers just yet.

Ah yes "expansion pack." Downloadable content that consists of many new missions and not just some armor or a new weapon, BioWare had dismissed this claim.

lol

[royceclemens]

ME2 doesn't seem very, well, expandable. I mean it's different for DA:O, it being a throwback to the BG glory days and all. Plus I'd imagine a DA expansion would be easier to light and animate, as it looks like it crawled out of 2006.



I just don't see where we could expand that couldn't just as easily be handled in ME3. The Shadow Broker? Isn't that more of a one-off DLC? That's never, ever coming? Much to the eternal consternation of Liara's fanbase? I'm ever the optimist when it comes to this game, but even I think that an expansion to a game with this many variables will only end in failure. I don't think either my soul nor my heart could take Jack being replaced by Future-Oghren.

[Jackal904]

They don't have to expand on an already established plot. They could create a new, less significant, plot similar to BDtS. But I would prefer that it last longer than an hour. I would pay good money for a five hour long piece of DLC.

On a different note. I had a dream two nights ago where I was in some prison. Some gaurd came down and asked if anyone wanted to fight some other prisoner, and I was like "Oh I do!" because I just wanted to get out of the room I was stuck in. But then the gaurd said the guy was like really huge and tough so I declined . I think the dream was spurred on by remembering how Jack loved fighting other kids because it was the only time she was out of her cell, which was my reasoning for wanting to fight that guy in my dreams.

I had another Jack related dream a while ago. I was standing in one of the parking lots at my college with one of my friends. We were just standing around, stairing at this frame of a truck that was in one of the parking spots. Then all of a sudden this ball roles underneath it and gets stuck, and I see Jack run over and try and get the ball from underneath the truck frame. She's struggling to get it, so then I lean over to my friend and say, "Why doesn't she just use her biotics?"

Yes I frequently have very strange dreams that make no ****ing sense .

Modifié par Jackal904, 04 mai 2010 - 05:50 .

[Jackal904]

Lol yes .

[smecky-kitteh]

Jackal904 wrote...

They don't have to expand on an already established plot. They could create a new, less significant, plot similar to BDtS. But I would prefer that it last longer than an hour. I would pay good money for a five hour long piece of DLC.

On a different note. I had a dream two nights ago where I was in some prison. Some gaurd came down and asked if anyone wanted to fight some other prisoner, and I was like "Oh I do!" because I just wanted to get out of the room I was stuck in. But then the gaurd said the guy was like really huge and tough so I declined . I think the dream was spurred on by remembering how Jack loved fighting other kids because it was the only time she was out of her cell, which was my reasoning for wanting to fight that guy in my dreams.

I had another Jack related dream a while ago. I was standing in one of the parking lots at my college with one of my friends. We were just standing around, stairing at this frame of a truck that was in one of the parking spots. Then all of a sudden this ball roles underneath it and gets stuck, and I see Jack run over and try and get the ball from underneath the truck frame. She's struggling to get it, so then I lean over to my friend and say, "Why doesn't she just use her biotics?"

Yes I frequently have very strange dreams that make no ****ing sense .

have you watched pet cemetery because the truck part of your dream seems just like the scene where the kid went to get his ball while a truck was coming by. anywho i cant remember any of my dreams:unsure:

[Epantiras]

royceclemens wrote...
I don't think either my soul nor my heart could take Jack being replaced by Future-Oghren.

SPOILER

Jacob is the future Oghren.

Bwhahahahaha!!!

[royceclemens]

The thing that keeps me up at night? The first character reveal trailer for the fabled ME2 expansion... Is Morinth.



It's at this point I wake up sweating.

[adriano_c]

yorkj86 wrote...

"Emo"
"Neckbeard"
"Hipster"

I've only ever seen these terms on the internet. I assume they're nerd slang?

In particular, what the hell is the second one? Lol.