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Into the Bad Girl: Jack Fans

Débuté par Average Gatsby , févr. 05 2010 03:24

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 07:06

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adriano_c wrote...

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"Emo"
"Neckbeard"
"Hipster"


I've only ever seen these terms on the internet. I assume they're nerd slang?

In particular, what the hell is the second one? Lol.


"Neckbeard" is a word used by nerds and non-nerds alike to refer to someone who is dramatically nerdier than them.  In fact, when two nerds are equally nerdy, one nerd becomes* deplorably nerdier than the other simply by having a neckbeard.  In essence, it refers to a nerd who has no sense of hygiene, grooming, and social grace.

EDIT:  Typo.

Modifié par yorkj86, 04 mai 2010 - 07:08 .

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 07:37

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There's a kid in my math class who smells like ****, is dirty as hell, fat as hell, wears torn up shirts, and extremely annoying, and he just so happens to have a neckbeard. Just thought I'd share that with you all :D.

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Jackal904 wrote...

There's a kid in my math class who smells like ****, is dirty as hell, fat as hell, wears torn up shirts, and extremely annoying, and he just so happens to have a neckbeard. Just thought I'd share that with you all :D.


An unrepentant Lord Supreme of Neckbeards at my college ran the D&D Club, LARP Club, Literature Club...a lot of stuff.   He was a cool guy.   He  didn't care about his appearance, or getting a date, or eating well, but he was a damn good DM.   Like I said, unrepentant.  I salute him.

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 07:58

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yorkj86 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...
There's a kid in my math class who smells like ****, is dirty as hell, fat as hell, wears torn up shirts, and extremely annoying, and he just so happens to have a neckbeard. Just thought I'd share that with you all :D.

An unrepentant Lord Supreme of Neckbeards at my college ran the D&D Club, LARP Club, Literature Club...a lot of stuff.   He was a cool guy.   He  didn't care about his appearance, or getting a date, or eating well, but he was a damn good DM.   Like I said, unrepentant.  I salute him.

There were several guys like that in my programming classes.  I got along with them just fine.  Only one of them that I recall, had poor hygene.  He didn't smell, but his hair looked very oily except for maybe one day out of the week.  I  would put him  into that "neckbeard" category I suppose.  Although he had no neck or facial hair that I recall.  He was a nice guy though.  He had a little bit of a stuttering problem and loved zombie movies, but he was pretty damn sharp when it came to writing code.  He helped me out a few times.

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 08:25

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I only know one person into LARPing from Uni, and... erm... very handsome. And in a conventional way too. Pretty buff too. And I heard it from several reliable sources he was packing more than a foam sword, ladies... ;)

I've never been able to reconcile the 'emo' label with Jack, and I think anyone using it is being intellectually lazy to the point where they need forcing to run on a treadmill with a hungry bear sat behind them. Emo kids have nothing to ****** and moan about other than being typical teenagers who can't make their parents understand them or like their music or see why they need a fringe the size of Cincinatti.

Jack has plenty of reasons for being a petty, selfish, confrontational b*tch, and if you can't appreciate them, frankly you're dumb.

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 08:33

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I only know one person into LARPing from Uni, and... erm... very handsome. And in a conventional way too. Pretty buff too. And I heard it from several reliable sources he was packing more than a foam sword, ladies... ;)

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 08:50

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Mondo47 wrote...

Jack has plenty of reasons for being a petty, selfish, confrontational b*tch, and if you can't appreciate them, frankly you're dumb.


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LiquidGrape wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

Jack has plenty of reasons for being a petty, selfish, confrontational b*tch, and if you can't appreciate them, frankly you're dumb.


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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 09:09

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Mondo47 wrote...

I only know one person into LARPing from Uni, and... erm... very handsome. And in a conventional way too. Pretty buff too. And I heard it from several reliable sources he was packing more than a foam sword, ladies... ;)

I've never been able to reconcile the 'emo' label with Jack, and I think anyone using it is being intellectually lazy to the point where they need forcing to run on a treadmill with a hungry bear sat behind them. Emo kids have nothing to ****** and moan about other than being typical teenagers who can't make their parents understand them or like their music or see why they need a fringe the size of Cincinatti.

Jack has plenty of reasons for being a petty, selfish, confrontational b*tch, and if you can't appreciate them, frankly you're dumb.


Yeah, people seem to have equated emo with acting out in any way - and acting out in any way with attention seeking. And there is such a huge stima associated with attention seeking for some reason. It inspires such dislike in people.

But that's not so. Emo is acting out in an attention seeking way for no good reason other than you want attention. In reality you grew up in suburbia or something.

But not everyone acts out because they want attention. Some of us just act out because we're simply f*cked up, kay? If we're not projecting that sh*t outward, it's left to fester inside of us somewhere, leaving us swimming around in a boiling vat of our issues and screwed up problems and psychological/emotional damage.

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 09:13

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Jack has the right to be affected by her past. It was absolutely deplorable. But those kids growing up in suburbia in middle class families, like night said? Probably not (in the 'emo' way, anyways) I mean, there are so many people out there starving, dying of disease, and poor as hell, basically struggling day by day to survive, all the while lacking of all the great things that other people take for granted. I don't mean to reduce the severity of mental illnesses some people have, but there is no doubt that some people are exaggerating their problems way too much.

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 09:34

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Yeah, people seem to have equated emo with acting out in any way - and acting out in any way with attention seeking. And there is such a huge stima associated with attention seeking for some reason. It inspires such dislike in people.

But that's not so. Emo is acting out in an attention seeking way for no good reason other than you want attention. In reality you grew up in suburbia or something.

But not everyone acts out because they want attention. Some of us just act out because we're simply f*cked up, kay? If we're not projecting that sh*t outward, it's left to fester inside of us somewhere, leaving us swimming around in a boiling vat of our issues and screwed up problems and psychological/emotional damage.

I see it also as someone who outwardly portrays themself as someone else.  I think this is usually from lack of confidence in oneself and perhaps insecurity also.  Perhaps even peer pressure plays a small role here, or the perception of peer pressure. 

Jack seems to be just Jack.  She don't give a damn what anyone thinks about her, and is her own person.  She does not put on a facade or a fake/phony  personality.  That is the opposite of what I consider EMO.

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 09:46

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When I first saw Jack's reveal vid months ago, the closeup shots of her scars/tattoos and Courtenay's voice acting gave me the impression that despite the crap she was dealt with she had a rather wry sense of humour about it. I thought that she'd have actually overcome it, almost accepted the things that happened, that would've been that much tragic.

Then that would've meant it'd take longer to tear down that wall of hers, which would've required a longer game.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

I see it also as someone who outwardly portrays themself as someone else.  I think this is usually from lack of confidence in oneself and perhaps insecurity also.  Perhaps even peer pressure plays a small role here, or the perception of peer pressure. 

Jack seems to be just Jack.  She don't give a damn what anyone thinks about her, and is her own person.  She does not put on a facade or a fake/phony  personality.  That is the opposite of what I consider EMO.


What about people who say that Jack, in a manner similar to Jacob, doesn't know who she is?    They might say that she's been forced by her past in to a shallow-yet-functional personality and sense-of-self, one that's kept her alive thus far but doesn't allow much room for depth.  Is Jack the person we see destroying YMIR Mechs with one punch, or is Jack the person we see during her final romance scene?    (Or both?)

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 10:05

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She's both.

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 10:11

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Collider wrote...

She's both.


I think so too. That's why she is so deep. She has multiple layers.

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 10:23

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I see it also as someone who outwardly portrays themself as someone else.  I think this is usually from lack of confidence in oneself and perhaps insecurity also.  Perhaps even peer pressure plays a small role here, or the perception of peer pressure. 

Jack seems to be just Jack.  She don't give a damn what anyone thinks about her, and is her own person.  She does not put on a facade or a fake/phony  personality.  That is the opposite of what I consider EMO.

What about people who say that Jack, in a manner similar to Jacob, doesn't know who she is?    They might say that she's been forced by her past in to a shallow-yet-functional personality and sense-of-self, one that's kept her alive thus far but doesn't allow much room for depth.  Is Jack the person we see destroying YMIR Mechs with one punch, or is Jack the person we see during her final romance scene?    (Or both?)

That is a good question.

I don't think that she puts on a facade. 

As far as not knowing who she is, she seems to have a code of beliefs that she seems to adhere to.  Those beliefs may change.  She has the willingness to fight through her problems.  She has a lot of her emotions and experiences to sift through.  I suppose that she doesn't quite know who she is yet in the beginning.  Given the circumstances, I could understand that.

She certainly is finding her way through all of this.  I would think that being forced by her past, does not mean that she is in a shallow-yet-functional state.  She would probably be a psychiatrist's dream to study.  In terms of all of the trauma that she has been through, and her development through all of this, and what person she is becoming.  She further develops throughout the ME2 story.  She begins to display affection and love for a fellow human.  She begins to display compassion by letting that guy at the Telton facility go.  At least in paragon anyway.  I see her as growing, learning, and maturing.  She is becoming a stronger person. 

So she is becoming more complex so it would seem throughout the story.  I don't think though, that her outward personality that she displays, is her trying to project a fake personality.  It just is all that she has.  Everyone has to start somewhere.

Edit:  So to answer your question, I think she goes from one to the other while possibly retaining both in the end of the story.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 04 mai 2010 - 10:39 .

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 11:08

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Greetings Jackolytes. Huge Jack fan here, I'm currently reading through thid thread, im up to pg 118 at the moment, very good discussion here by the way. There's real substance here as appose to some other fan threads Image IPB. Anyway, I just got finished the reading the discussion of how Shepard's background and how/why he/she would fall for Jack. Personally, the Spacer/War Hero background is my favorite. I was a military kid myself, and, the aspect of being a War Hero is interesting. But I have no clue on why a Spacer/WarHero would fall for Jack, lol. Now why that certainly wont stop me from romancing her on my canon Shep, what thoughts, if any, do you guys have on this particular topic?


And to just throw this out, Bobby's audio files are absoultely filled with win, and Mondo's writing is very awesome, a combination of funny and quite deep. Just a small shout out there. I might once become a regular poster here if I ever catch up to this thread. Its hard with all this actual discussion and content. Not that I'm complaining though, this thread is the most interesting. Ok guys, back to the hole I lurk from. Image IPB

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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 11:31

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tommyt_1994 wrote...

Greetings Jackolytes. Huge Jack fan here, I' currently reading through thid thread, im up to pg 118 at the moment,very good discussion here by the way. There's real substance here as appose to some other fan threads Image IPB. Anyway, I just got finished the reading the discussion of Shepard's background and how/why he/she would fall for Jack. Personally, the Spacer/War Hero background is my favorite. I was a military kid myself, and, the aspect of being a War Hero is interesting(normally involves doing something that doesnt seem like the smarteest choice tactically). But I have no clue on why a Spacer/WarHero would fall for Jack lol. Now why that certainly wont stop me from romancing her on my canon Shep, what thoughts, if any, do you guys have on this particular topic?


And to just throw this out, Bobby's audio files are absoultely filled with win, and Mondo's writing is very awesome, a combination of funny and quite deep. Just a small shout out there. I might once become a regular poster here if I ever catch up to this thread. Its hard with all this actual discussion and content. Not that I'm complaining though, this thread is the most interesting. Ok guys, back to the hole I lurk from. Image IPB


First of all, welcome :D.

As for making sense of a spacer/war hero Shep falling for Jack. Maybe he's bored of being such a goody-two-shoes and he wants some "badassness" in his life. Really there are a lot of reasons I could think of for why a spacer/war hero would fall for Jack. I guess it boils down to the player's reason. Like what the player's actual reason is for having their Shepard do something. I like to think that Shepard's motivations are the player's motivations. Shepard's reasons are the player's reasons. You cannot say Shepard has a certain agenda, unless it's the player's agenda.

Some people try to argue that Shepard is taking advantage of Jack in her paragon romance. I believe that if that is indeed what the player was intending to do, then that is true. If the player had no intentions of exploiting her, then neither did their Shepard.

So if you wonder why your spacer/war hero Shepard chose Jack, you'd have to ask yourself, because the reason is your reason.

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tommyt_1994 wrote...

Greetings Jackolytes. Huge Jack fan here, I'm currently reading through thid thread, im up to pg 118 at the moment, very good discussion here by the way. There's real substance here as appose to some other fan threads Image IPB. Anyway, I just got finished the reading the discussion of how Shepard's background and how/why he/she would fall for Jack. Personally, the Spacer/War Hero background is my favorite. I was a military kid myself, and, the aspect of being a War Hero is interesting. But I have no clue on why a Spacer/WarHero would fall for Jack, lol. Now why that certainly wont stop me from romancing her on my canon Shep, what thoughts, if any, do you guys have on this particular topic?


And to just throw this out, Bobby's audio files are absoultely filled with win, and Mondo's writing is very awesome, a combination of funny and quite deep. Just a small shout out there. I might once become a regular poster here if I ever catch up to this thread. Its hard with all this actual discussion and content. Not that I'm complaining though, this thread is the most interesting. Ok guys, back to the hole I lurk from. Image IPB


Hi.  You should visit as often as you can.  This is one thread that manages to be consistently mature, if slow at certain times of the day.  

I think that a War-Hero Shepard could be interested in Jack because, as Jackal stated, he finds Jack to be interesting and stimulating just not as bland as most people might be.  She's seen some ****ty things, and she's seen some amazing things, but none of them have happened in a military situation.  She might be just as fierce and effective as any soldier, but her experience doesn't come from a formal rank-and-file, here-are-your-orders circumstance.  She bears both the positive and the negative effects of having been in combat situations. 

I don't know if the above reasoning makes Shepard seem shallow, as if he's only "Into the Bad Girl", but the two of them do have something in common, at the least.

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Posté 05 mai 2010 - 12:22

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It's my sad duty to inform you that Northwest Jacqueline is on hold for a while - I'm currently working on something else that is just as neat and requires all my creative juice for a while at least.

When there's more I can tell you and more I can show you, I will - promise you'll like it ^_^

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Posté 05 mai 2010 - 12:55

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Mondo47 wrote...

It's my sad duty to inform you that Northwest Jacqueline is on hold for a while - I'm currently working on something else that is just as neat and requires all my creative juice for a while at least.

When there's more I can tell you and more I can show you, I will - promise you'll like it ^_^

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Now you've got me all excited :lol:. Whatever it is I can't wait to see it. I feel like I'm waiting for some really good DLC to be released. I'm looking forward to it more than any ME2 DLC that's been released (which isn't saying much <_<).

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Now you've got me all excited :lol:. Whatever it is I can't wait to see it. I feel like I'm waiting for some really good DLC to be released. I'm looking forward to it more than any ME2 DLC that's been released (which isn't saying much <_<).


Judging by track-record, Mondo DLC > Bioware DLC.

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Just waiting for Kasumi DLC quality stuff. They disappointed with the announcement yesterday, but they did also say that they're still working on story DLC.

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