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[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

The forums are slowing down, which is to be expected. Still, not long ago this whole place was so active.

It happens and it's nothing to worry about. Since we don't treat our thread like a chat room, there are sometimes large time gaps between posts, and there's nothing wrong with that. I had worries about being able to continue on topic discussion more than a hundred pages ago, and yet we've made it this far while still remaining mostly on topic. I think there is always something new we can talk about. I've been with this thread since the start, and many times I've thought, "well what else is there to talk about?" and we always come up with something Jack related to discuss. So don't worry .

[Anoleis]

yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
Translation:  You gots an awrful purty mouth, uh-hyuck.

Ok, don't go "Deliverance" on us york.  Not everyone is a Yankee.

/humor

But I thought even Southerners looked down their noses at the true "hill folk".  Or, they at least regard them with amusement.

LOL

[MHRazer]

royceclemens wrote...

It's a hunch.  classic case of hanging backstory.  Miranda has a ton of origin with few specifics about it.  With Jack, it's the other way around.  Fits like a glove.  And why hide Mr. Lawson unless one of the other characters wouldn't recognize him, or he wouldn't recognize one of the other characters?  And given that Miranda and Jack are at perpetual loggerheads, it would be explosive.

Plus, given the ridiculous amount of plot armor that Miranda has, if Jack's connected, then her shot at being back in ME3 is up considerably.  I'd rather sink with a beautiful theory than float on an ugly fact.

Also, that one quote Miranda says, something along the line of "I'm not the first one he made, just the first he kept" leads me to believe it's possible. Jack really seems younger than Miranda to me though, but I suppose she could be slightly older. Or, that line simply opens up the possibility that there have been multiple "rejects" both before and after Miranda. One of which could have been Jack.

[royceclemens]

LiquidGrape wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

I'd rather sink with a beautiful theory than float on an ugly fact.

Waits would be proud.
Wonderful verbiage.

As for Jack being a second generation of Lawson-bred biotics, I can see it. The animosity between Miranda and Jack is so hyperbolic that I would be genuinely surprised if that wasn't turned on its head in ME3 through some kind of revelation.
And I rather like the idea of the Bartender being Liara's father...reminds me of A Comedy of Errors.
Not Shaky's best; but a nicely convoluted romp.

Well, I was quoting David Mamet.  Smarter than all of us on his best days, dumber than a dog on his worst.

But considering how likely it is, yeah, I'll agree with Collider, it's not likely at all.  But we can't coast on likelihoods with ME.  That way madness lies.  Nothing in the game is likely at all.  In a universe where Liara, Conrad Verner, Gianna Parasini, Nassana Dantius and Shiala are on the same stretch of Illium at the same time, Jack and Miranda being test-tube siblings makes an almost serene amount of sense.

[Jackal904]

royceclemens wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

royceclemens wrote...
And concerning Jack's origin, I'm of the firm (and unpopular belief) that Jack and Miranda were engineered at the same facility, most likely by Mr. Lawson.  After Miranda split, Lawson tried to improve on the formula and Jack was one of the castoffs between Miranda and Oriana.  They had a girl with biotic power that has no connection to the outside world, that means no one would go looking for her.  A risk-free Cerberus investment.

I haven't read any novels, what makes you think this concerning Jack.  Is it just a hunch?

It's a hunch.  classic case of hanging backstory.  Miranda has a ton of origin with few specifics about it.  With Jack, it's the other way around.  Fits like a glove.  And why hide Mr. Lawson unless one of the other characters wouldn't recognize him, or he wouldn't recognize one of the other characters?  And given that Miranda and Jack are at perpetual loggerheads, it would be explosive.

Plus, given the ridiculous amount of plot armor that Miranda has, if Jack's connected, then her shot at being back in ME3 is up considerably.  I'd rather sink with a beautiful theory than float on an ugly fact.

I also subscribe to this theory. It would make for an excellent twist and I get all giddy thinking about the scenes that will play out when (if) Miranda and Jack find out. But  I don't think Jack is just some castoff that Mr. Lawson created between
Miranda and Oriana. I think Cerberus requested to Mr. Lawson that he make them a child with as much biotic power as possible.

[Pacifien]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
How is it Miranda and Jack, two people whose paths in life have gone in wildly different directions until Shepard came along, can be related?

Do we have examples of Bioware doing this already in the series in concern with making the universe smaller.  My mind is kind of blank right now. 

I can't think of an example from Mass Effect, other than the abundance of Mass Effect 1 characters you'll come across on Illium. My eye twitches even if I see it once in any series, though. Maybe because when a series starts making such connections, it'll start being used left and right.

Reading fanfiction doesn't help. Honestly, Shepard only has Illium, Omega, and the Citadel available to dock the Normandy if they need to do repairs? Every new character you meet just happens to be from a planet and/or station that Shepard has been to before? The only bar worth going to is Afterlife? Zakera Ward is the only part of the Citadel worth Shepard's time now?

[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

MHRazer wrote...

I think it would certainly be interesting, and wouldn't really have a problem if that's how it goes. As royce said, that means Jack is almost definitely coming back, and I couldn't complain about that. 

The only thing I don't like about it is the idea of her being genetically engineered. The whole concept just kind of irks me the wrong way; I can't shake the "unnatural" feeling. But that's more a personal thing, as far as story goes I agree it would fit well, and I do actually think it's fairly likely. I'd just prefer it differently. 

If Jack is genetically engineered as well, and from the same DNA, it would definitely make me raise an eyebrow at how that process has produced, uh...anatomical differences between Jack and Miranda.  And yes, I'm being silly.

They don't have to be made from the same DNA. I can't imagine Mr. Lawson only has one type of DNA. I'm sure he has lots of variety.

[Urdaniel]

Pacifien wrote...

Reading fanfiction doesn't help. Honestly, Shepard only has Illium, Omega, and the Citadel available to dock the Normandy if they need to do repairs? Every new character you meet just happens to be from a planet and/or station that Shepard has been to before? The only bar worth going to is Afterlife? Zakera Ward is the only part of the Citadel worth Shepard's time now?

Here's my take on this.  The three places you named are the best candidates for a safe port of call for the Normandy in the wake of the Omega-4 Relay mission (assuming the Paragon choice to confound TIM by blowing up the base).  Illium has Liara looking out for you and is an asari world to boot, making it more difficult for Cerberus to infiltrate operatives.  Omega is also lawless, but Aria runs a pretty tight ship nevertheless; additionally, the general dislike and distrust of humans by its inhabitants also makes it difficult for Cerberus to insert assassins or Saboteurs.  The Citadel is also pretty much in the same boat - you have Anderson, loads of C-Sec people, and some of the tightest security in the galaxy (okay, their security's a little porous compared to Illium and Omega, but it's better than some random planet you pull out of a hat).  I can't necessarily see an Alliance world being safe due to a possible Cerberus presence.  Tuchanka is out because they're hardscrabble enough as it is - there probably aren't enough resources to make repairs to something as cutting-edge as the SR-2.  Same for the Quarian fleet (exacerbated by the tenuous political situation prevailing there after Tali's loyalty mission).  Which doesn't leave a lot of (reasonable) choice for the aspiring fanfic author.

Now your objection may hinge on lack of imagination/creativity or laziness.  That's understandable and I even agree with it - up to a point.  But the fact is that these planets and stations have histories or at least descriptions ready to hand.  They're readymade hook points for a narrative, with the added attraction of having some basis in official canon.  The author can point to a codex or planet entry and say "It says so right here" when challenged about how believable a story element is - something impossible with a planet created out of the whole cloth.  Furthermore, fanfiction is supposed to be based off of the familiar, while obviously not hewing strictly to it; otherwise it might as well be a new, original work.

I will concede, however, that Afterlife and the Zakera Ward are too easy as choices.  Both games certainly had more than just one bar,  and ME showed us enough of the Citadel that Zakera shouldn't be the default location of every Citadel-centric story or story portion.

Just my opinion (in case that wasn't clear enough).  .

[Cerrydd]

Hey Jackfans, someone posted this in the Garrus thread:



Just thought I'd share it here . The hat looks cute on Jack.

[axl99]

Oh boy. Looking at that I suddenly had a flash:

Jack in the 1930s American depression era wearing a loose white button down shirt, a brown pair of overalls and a newsie hat - sitting on a bench with a black cigarette in her mouth in her usual "I'M THINKING GO AWAY" pose.

Modifié par axl99, 08 mai 2010 - 12:34 .

[Urdaniel]

yorkj86 wrote...
Dawwwwww.  It looks so good on her!  In fact, it makes her look (even more) adorable.  :happy:

EDIT: Now I'm picturing Jack in a full early-1900s Flapper's outfit, and...mixed feelings, mixed feelings.

Certainly a little incongruous, given her personality and the ink, but it suits her build perfectly.  I personally would have no mixed feelings about that whatsoever.  

[adriano_c]

Very fitting.

[Pacifien]

Urdaniel wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Reading fanfiction doesn't help. Honestly, Shepard only has Illium, Omega, and the Citadel available to dock the Normandy if they need to do repairs? Every new character you meet just happens to be from a planet and/or station that Shepard has been to before? The only bar worth going to is Afterlife? Zakera Ward is the only part of the Citadel worth Shepard's time now?

Here's my take on this.  The three places you named are the best candidates for a safe port of call for the Normandy in the wake of the Omega-4 Relay mission (assuming the Paragon choice to confound TIM by blowing up the base).
*snip*

Actually, I was pulling out quick examples for the sake of argument, but there was one location that seems rather plausible as a docking facility for repairs immediately after the suicide mission: Omega. It is the closest port of considerable resources available after just completing a mission that has messed your ship all up. But making the multiple mass relay jumps to reach Illium or the Citadel seems a tad careless given the state of the ship.

I personally dislike Illium as a hub of considerable importance to Shepard beyond the fact that Liara is based from there. The Citadel is the central hub of Council space. Omega is its Terminus system counterpart. Illium appears to be an extremely important Asari world, but I was never sold on its importance matching that of the Citadel or Omega. Maybe it was supposed to, but the way it was presented never gave me that feeling. Felt like Noveria: important but only to a point. It just felt like a major port between Council and Terminus space, as I'm sure there are dozens of other major ports like it.

[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...
Dawwwwww.  It looks so good on her!  In fact, it makes her look (even more) adorable.  :happy:

EDIT: Now I'm picturing Jack in a full early-1900s Flapper's outfit, and...mixed feelings, mixed feelings.

Jack strikes me as a woman who could very easily pull off an edgy outfit mixed with something unmistakeably feminine. Maybe it's the tattoos mixed with makeup. But yeah, I could see her wearing a girly pink hat unabashedly with her belt-strap top.

Like Jayne and his hat from Firefly. "Man walks down the street in that hat, people know he's not afraid of anything!"

[StefanBW]

Does anyone here know if Jack says anything at all during the last segment in the Reaper battle? I've brought her with me a couple of times now but she doesn't say anything about the base or at the Illusive Man at all. 

[Mondo47]

I've never known her say anything - she always handles the comms (well most of the time anyways). She's supposed to say something about how keeping the base would just be wrong on a grand scale, but I can't say I've ever heard it myself. Me dishapoinited...

[Epantiras]

Jack quote of the day...

"You get what you get. Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

[Hyper Cutter]

Pacifien wrote...

It's like how some people believe Matriarch Aethyta must be Liara's "father" because the bartender mentions being the father in a pureblood pairing and that pairing didn't end well. There are billions of beings in the galaxy. How is it Shepard just happens to meet Liara's father?

That sort of thing happens to Shepard all the time. We just happen to run into 3 people (and the... uh, representative of a 4th) from ME1 right there on Illium...

[Jackal904]

stefanbw wrote...

Does anyone here know if Jack says anything at all during the last segment in the Reaper battle? I've brought her with me a couple of times now but she doesn't say anything about the base or at the Illusive Man at all. 

After the suicide mission she'll make a comment if you kept the base, but if you destroy it she doesn't say anything new.

Epantiras wrote...

Jack quote of the day...

"You
get what you get. Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

[snip]

After she said that did she spit some tobacco in a bucket? That line sounds so damn redneck .

[Pacifien]

stefanbw wrote...
Does anyone here know if Jack says anything at all during the last segment in the Reaper battle? I've brought her with me a couple of times now but she doesn't say anything about the base or at the Illusive Man at all. 

All squadmates have something to say in regards to keeping the base and/or the Illusive Man, apparently. Jack's is "Seriously? Shepard, he's a user, just like the Collectors."

You can see all the dialogue choices in this thread. It's not like the first game where each character has both a paragon and renegade comment depending on the squad combination during the last battle; this time, each character has one point of view on the matter. Oddly, the ones who will advocate keeping the base will then turn around and express reservations in letting the Illusive Man have it. Jerks, why'd you tell me to keep it then?