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[Jackal904]

Collider wrote...

We have a lot of Jack fans in the Tali thread, so I'm not sure that is actually true.

Well that's good, I did not know that. From my experiences, most of the Jack hate has come from Talimancers. And I figured most Talimancers dislike Jack because Tali and Jack are polar opposites of each other.

[Collider]

Jackal904 wrote...

Collider wrote...

We have a lot of Jack fans in the Tali thread, so I'm not sure that is actually true.

Well that's good, I did not know that. From my experiences, most of the Jack hate has come from Talimancers. And I figured most Talimancers dislike Jack because Tali and Jack are polar opposites of each other.

Opposite experience. Most of the Jack hate I have seen has come from Miranda fans.

Since they are themselves aligned against each other in-game, it's not surprising.

Mention Jack in the Tali thread and most of the time it's either just
a) I like her but she's not my type
I adore her (know at least 5 people who fit this description who post regularly)
c) She's okay/neutral

Mention Miranda and you're going to get a lot of "she's a ****" or some variant thereof.

Trolls aren't really an indication of the fanbases, because trolls are intentionally trying to annoy people - there are a lot of trolls in the Tali thread, which is why I don't go there often and instead go to the Jack, Garrus, or Samara thread (I go to Miranda, Ashley, and Jacob too). The Jack thread and the Garrus thread are my favorites because they are almost always chill and having some sort of intelligent conversation. So props to you all. 

[jlb524]

No one likes the Liara fan base, wonder why? We don't hate Jack though...most like her there. I actually don't see that much Jack hate...I might be looking in the wrong places.



Oh, and Jack is kicking booty in me poll!

[Collider]

I don't dislike the Liara fanbase. The only problem is that the more zealous or negatively charged people sometimes overshadow the majority who are very pleasant - and this is with other fanbases as well, so it's nothing specific to Liara's fans.

[adriano_c]

Liara's fans are widely disliked? That's pretty surprising to me. I always thought they just kept to themselves (as I've only ever seen one - york86).

[Jackal904]

jlb524 wrote...

No one likes the Liara fan base, wonder why? We don't hate Jack though...most like her there. I actually don't see that much Jack hate...I might be looking in the wrong places.

It has been lesser recently, but it was pretty bad about a month ago. I don't know why you say people don't like Liara fans. I figured most people were neutral about Liara fans. At least I am. They're a fairly large group, but they're nothing like the Talimancers.

Modifié par Jackal904, 15 mai 2010 - 01:52 .

[Pacifien]

jlb524 wrote...
No one likes the Liara fan base, wonder why?

Think the Liara fanbase has some reputation for zealotry, possibly increasing after the travesty that was Redemption. I don't care, I try to go where the discussions are or where my inspiration carries me. Some threads are better at catching my interest in that respect.

[jlb524]

Oh, nevermind...I'm just paranoid.

Jackal904 wrote...

It has been lesser recently, but it was pretty bad about a month ago.

I remember a great deal of people hated Jack after her reveal trailer back in the day, but I guess they are gone from the forums.  Or, have changed their minds.  Most of the hate was appearance based, which is ridiculous.

[Pacifien]

Jack's reveal trailers didn't give me a very good first impression of her. Grunt's glee at seeing her destroy the prison ship gave me a very good second impression of her. The first words out of her mouth in the game pretty much sealed the deal, and we were going to be best friends. Well, not enemies, at least.

[axl99]

Heheh. Speakin' of which I've worked in comics before as a pro colourist so I kinda empathize with the people who worked on this and other possible projects going on at the same time. Would've been nice if it was a bi-monthly title so at least more love could be put into the artwork. Even better if the concept artists pooled together and made this thing.

I dunno about you guys but I was practically smitten with Jack since her reveal trailer. Within 15 seconds of it I got the idea she's this heavily scarred biotic who hides her skin with tats and possesses a wry sense of humour over the crappy life she's led. The last half was negligible to me since I wasn't crazy about the editing.

Modifié par axl99, 15 mai 2010 - 02:21 .

[jlb524]

Pacifien wrote...

Jack's reveal trailers didn't give me a very good first impression of her. Grunt's glee at seeing her destroy the prison ship gave me a very good second impression of her. The first words out of her mouth in the game pretty much sealed the deal, and we were going to be best friends. Well, not enemies, at least.

Well, you are not alone, though I did like her from the reveal and from then on.  I think BW was trying to market her as a 'crazy psychopath' who is unstable.  They referred to her using these exact words.   I believe they wanted to create certain expectations for each new ME2 squad member and then show in the game that they are more than that.  I honestly didn't like Miranda much before ME2, but liked her as soon as I played the game and got to know her better.

[axl99]

I still think the nicknames were a marketing misfire. There was more than enough material people can get from the trailers to make their own assumptions about the characters.

[jlb524]

axl99 wrote...

I still think the nicknames were a marketing misfire. There was more than enough material people can get from the trailers to make their own assumptions about the characters.

I don't think they were a marketing misfire, but were deliberate.  They wanted you to think Jack was a 'psychopath' and the way she was portrayed in media pre-ME2 supported this.  However, you find out that she isn't one from speaking to her and getting to know her via the loyalty mission.

I never thought she was a psychopath, but that was based on my own presumptions (knowing BW, that they would show she was deeper than that in game) than on the marketing of her.

Oh, I like your fanart, btw!

[Pacifien]

I like how they labeled Miranda "a Loyalist," spitting out the term as if it was right up there with being a psychopath on horrible things you can be.

[jlb524]

Pacifien wrote...

I like how they labeled Miranda "a Loyalist," spitting out the term as if it was right up there with being a psychopath on horrible things you can be.

It could be bad if you hate Cerberus...unless you take it as 'loyal' to Shepard.  'Psychopath' does have the more negative connotation though.

[adriano_c]

jlb524 wrote...

They wanted you to think Jack was a 'psychopath' and the way she was portrayed in media pre-ME2 supported this.

Well, technically, the portrayal wasn't that of a psychopath at all...

[jlb524]

adriano_c wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

They wanted you to think Jack was a 'psychopath' and the way she was portrayed in media pre-ME2 supported this.

Well, technically, the portrayal wasn't that of a psychopath at all...

In pre-game media?  I think it was.  They depicted her as violent, impulsive, and willing to engage in casual sex.  In the game, no, definitely not.

[Jackal904]

Pacifien wrote...

Jack's reveal trailers didn't give me a
very good first impression of her. Grunt's glee at seeing her destroy
the prison ship gave me a very good second impression of her. The first
words out of her mouth in the game pretty much sealed the deal, and we
were going to be best friends. Well, not enemies, at least.

I really didn't think much of Jack when she was announced. My first thought was, "Oh wow, so they're finally bringing the f-bomb to Mass Effect?" And when I found out she was supposed to be the most powerful human biotic, my reaction was, "The **** she is. My adept femShep is the most powerful human biotic." So I just planned to never use her with that Shepard. But like I said, I didn't really think much of Jack. And I didn't dislike her or like her. I guess you could say I "nothinged" her. She never crossed my mind when I thought about ME2 before it was released.

But as soon as I talked to her on Purgatory, it was love at first insult. The first thing she said to me after, "What the hell do you want?!", was, "**** you sound like a ****." That completely caught me off gaurd, and I instantly respected her for having the balls to call me, Commander Shepard, a ****. I just stood their in amazement for a bit. Commander Shepard never gets insulted. Everyone kisses his ass and never questions him and holds him up on this giant pedestal. And yet this skinny little chick with a shaved head calls me a ****. It was truely a breathe a fresh air to me. Finally, someone with a pair who can say, "**** you" to Commander Shepard. And obviously from then on it was great.

I remember the first time she asked me if I was just talking to her to get some sexy time with her, and I said no, and she said something like, "I don't get you. You don't want anything but you keep coming down here." I thought it was so interesting that she doesn't believe there are any sefless and genuinely nice people out there, and that even I was just talking to her for selfish reasons. I remember thinking, "I'm guna get you to believe I'm a genuinely nice guy damnit." And I remember being so interested to see her reactions when she starts realizing that I'm not the selfish **** that she assumes everyone is.

[royceclemens]

jlb524 wrote...

No one likes the Liara fan base, wonder why?

The Liara fans seem like nice enough kids... Except for two of them... Good grief.

I think the thing is, we're all getting used to each other.  You know how at junior high dances, the boys and the girls start on opposite sides of the room, milling among themselves and eying the other gender with a mix of nerves and derision?  Until one soul goes over to the other side and start dancing... and then two more... and then two more...

It's kinda like that, I think.  It's generally dawned on all of us that the entrenched campers for each character aren't aliens.

EDITED: For better metaphor.

Modifié par royceclemens, 15 mai 2010 - 02:59 .

[FsDxRAGE]

Hey guys showing some support, Jack is great

[adriano_c]

jlb524 wrote...

In pre-game media?  I think it was.  They depicted her as violent, impulsive, and willing to engage in casual sex.  In the game, no, definitely not.

None of which are exclusive to, or even major indicators for, psychopathy. If anything, its characterized primarily by a sometimes charming or otherwise normal exterior behavior, concealing a deceitful, calculating and emotionally detached interior.

Jack was presented as pretty much the opposite of this. She was the in your face, overtly violent, what you see is what you get, loud and foul-mouthed, self-proclaimed b*tch. The opposite of "normal" and well-adjusted.

[Collider]

Thing with the FftL trailers is that they don't want to give everything away. They emphasize and exaggerate some of the attributes of the characters - make them bombastic and out of this world, so to speak. This way, some players may be intrigued but will also be surprised by the character when they play the game. For a "psychopath", Jack can be rather calm on the Normandy, for instance.

Modifié par Collider, 15 mai 2010 - 03:06 .

[FsDxRAGE]

yorkj86 wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Hey guys showing some support, Jack is great

Yes, yes she is.  And Tali is my Shepard's "little "sister", informally.

same goes with Jack for me, well she is more of a good friend that makes me laugh

[jlb524]

adriano_c wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

In pre-game media?  I think it was.  They depicted her as violent, impulsive, and willing to engage in casual sex.  In the game, no, definitely not.

None of which are exclusive to, or even major indicators for, psychopathy. If anything, its characterized primarily by a sometimes charming or otherwise normal exterior behavior, concealing a deceitful, calculating and emotionally detached interior.

Jack was presented as pretty much the opposite of this. She was the in your face, overtly violent, what you see is what you get, loud and foul-mouthed, self-proclaimed b*tch. The opposite of "normal" and well-adjusted.

That's true.  The 'bad behavior' wasn't masked by some outwardly 'normal' personality.  Why they picked 'psychopath' then, I do not know.