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[adriano_c]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Edit:  You have any thoughts as to why adriano?

I am sure there is a few people that actually identify somewhat with the character on a personal level to some degree.

I have a feeling that if she was an LI, the boob/cleavage factor would kick in to some degree.  Not to mention that it would also entail a f/f relationship.

Ugh...accidentally closed the wrong firefox tab while deep into a lengthy response.

Anyway, concerning Jack. Aside from that fairly trite explanation above, I don't have much to offer myself, hence my interest in hearing your "theory". It's quite the mystery to me. What's certain, however, is that the character has an appeal which lures in fans/posters that aren't interested in pursuing a chat room-******-forum trash mound, for example. Or spamming disturbing amateur art with a deluge of :wub: to accompany it. That's a good thing...but it makes me wonder.

Empathy's an interesting possibility, yeah. Are Jack fans prone to taking in stray animals and aiding the homeless, then? Lol...

As for Samara, yes; if she was a "romance" option, her popularity would soar. It's sort of funny, actually. A long while ago, someone conducted fairly comprehensive surveys regarding character like/dislike via ratings. I believe Mordin and Legion were universally acclaimed, while someone like Kaidan was derided with a mediocre score. Meanwhile, take a look at their respective threads...

-edit. Maybe I'm just looking for something that isn't there. Maybe...it's just a case of Jack's Giuseppe Verdi to...Tali's Britney Spears (unsure if she's still applicable as a poster girl for vapidity)?

Modifié par adriano_c, 18 mai 2010 - 06:18 .

[Pacifien]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Seriously, what are your thoughts as to why this thread about Jack is more civil and engages in  more cerebral discussions than some of the other character threads?  Assuming that you agree that it does of course.

Think it has less to do with the character than luck of the draw on who claims a thread first. I've often mentioned how each character thread has its own atmosphere, created by its most dominant posters. By dominant, I mean a somewhat dominant and persuasive personality. Those dominant posters can change over time, which can change the atmosphere of the thread or maintain the status quo.

Some posters encourage a very chatroom-like quality in a character thread. Some posters encourage unquestionable support in a character thread. Some posters encourage silliness versus in-depth discussion. And some posters have emphasized quality over quantity. You can get character threads that kind of rotate and mix these various atmospheres as well.

The Jack thread has attracted dominant posters who emphasized quality, maturity and civility. Other threads have done this as well. For the threads I feel are lacking in such atmosphere, they could have just as easily been entirely different had other posters gotten to its beginnings first to nuture a different atmosphere.

I think the development of the Jacob thread is a good example of how a thread can evolve. That could have been little more than the priiize meme forever, but some posters decided they'd rather concentrate on more than just a silly quirk of the character and discuss much more about him. Those who enjoyed the silliness of the meme took such posts to another thread willingly as well. (ETA: Well, they did until I noticed Woo just closed it. Heh.)

Modifié par Pacifien, 18 mai 2010 - 06:24 .

[adriano_c]

Cool theory.

[Epantiras]

Ok, looks like people wrote 5+ pages since the last time I checked. I just wanted to say I'm glad to see Bobby back!!

[LiquidGrape]

Epantiras wrote...

Ok, looks like people wrote 5+ pages since the last time I checked. I just wanted to say I'm glad to see Bobby back!!

We all are.
...and we'd be even gladder if he churns out another innuendo-crammed soundbite soon!

[stormrain]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

Ok, looks like people wrote 5+ pages since the last time I checked. I just wanted to say I'm glad to see Bobby back!!

We all are.
...and we'd be even gladder if he churns out another innuendo-crammed soundbite soon!

Yes! Make it so Bobby. They always make me laugh.

And to answer Collider's questions from earlier...

1. What did you do with that dude in Jack's loyalty mission who wanted to do the experiments again?

He lived until the nuke got him.

2. What do you think about Jack's default outfit?

At first I thought is was odd, but liked all the ink. Eventually, I stopped noticing that she was practically naked from the waist up.

3. What is your preferred romance conclusion for Jack in ME3? Ambiguous? Conclusive?

Conclusive where we know if she has a happy ending or not, but not a super detailed play-by-play.

4. How do you think Jack would get along with Kaidan, Ashley, or Liara?

Badly for the most part, about as well as she get along with everyone else. Though if she mellows out a little in ME3 and learns of their anti-Cerberus sentiments I can see her warming up to them.

(plus, I'm an utter sap and a fan of all the characters, so I like it when everyone gets along).

6. Assuming there is (hopefully) banter in ME3, who would you most like to see Jack bantering with?

She would snarkily banter with everyone, though I see her doing it the most with Grunt and having Morrigan/Alistair type conversations with Miranda.

7. What did you do in the Jack v. Miranda fight and why?

I've done both the Paragon the Renegade persuade. I like both Miranda and Jack, but their little "chat" was something the mission did not need.

8. Is there anything you especially agree or disagree with Jack in terms of her views?

She's more pessimistic than I am.

9. Do you think Jack and Grunt could be friends?

Yep. I can see a Legolas/Gimli type relationship forming--mostly how they would rank up kills with each other and debate who killed the most.

10. What do you foresee in terms of Jack and Miranda? Will they ever put aside their differences?

With Miranda ditching Cerberus and Jack mellowing out, I can see them tolerating each other enough to not want to squish the other's brains out whenever in the same room. And maybe, just maybe, they'll start getting along in the way Mondo has them in her ficlets.

11. What do you want to do with the Illusive Man?

Rip out his entrails through his eyes and hang him by a tree.

12. Did you destroy or rewrite the Heretics?

Rewrite. I'll need all the firepower I can get to take on the Reapers.

13. Is your Shepard paragon or renegade? Or maybe Paragade, Neutral, or Renegon? Why?

I'm a huge fan of Firefly, so my Shepard's personality is based on Captain Mal's. "Paragade" is the term. However, the wonky alignment system in ME2 forces me to make decisions that my Shep would find too nice or dickish just to get Par/Ren points.

[Pacifien]

I don't think friendship is something Jack ever seeks, so if there was to be a friendship between her and another member of the crew, it would have to be through the other person's efforts. The only person I could see bothering would be Kelly, and I certainly don't see her as the type of friend Jack would want.

However, I can see Jack developing a certain level of respect for various squadmates, leading to at least a decent acquaintance stage for the two of them. Grunt and Garrus strike me as the two most likely. I wanted to say Zaeed, but I think given Jack's history would make her wary of mercenaries.

[jlb524]

Pacifien wrote...

I wanted to say Zaeed, but I think given Jack's history would make her wary of mercenaries.

His Blue Suns connection wouldn't help either.  Jack seems to hate them the most.

[Jackal904]

I can't picture Garrus and Jack being buddies at all. In fact I think Garrus would be the least likely to converse with Jack. For some reason I get this feeling that Garrus just doesn't want to bother with Jack. I don't mean he's intimidated or hates her. Garrus is just very precise, mature, and professional. And well, Jack isn't. His personality makes me think of a more friendly version of agent 47 (from the movie not the game). And he doesn't have time to bother with someone that has such a lack of self-control and professionalism.



I really like Garrus btw. He's one of my favorite characters.

[Pacifien]

I change my mind about Jack having respect for Garrus. There is always that ever-present "he's an idealist" description of the Turian no matter where he is. I don't think Jack has much patience for idealists.

Would respect his skill with a sniper rifle. Certainly would prefer following his orders through the Collector Base versus the Cerberus lackeys.

[jlb524]

Jack and Garrus have nothing in common, except for maybe a mutual respect for Shepard. I'm not sure what common ground the two would even share in order to begin a friendly conversation. Garrus was a cop...Jack was a criminal.

[axl99]

The only thing Garrus and Jack might have in common off the top of my head is a somewhat twisted sense of justice... In an eye for an eye kinda way.

[Pacifien]

Well, they both have a healthy distrust of Miranda, too.

[jlb524]

Pacifien wrote...

Well, they both have a healthy distrust of Miranda, too.

For Cerberus, maybe, but it's not clear if Garrus distrusts Miranda specifically or not.

[GodWood]

1. What did you do with that dude in Jack's loyalty mission who wanted to do the experiments again?

Let Jack kill him.

2. What do you think about Jack's default outfit?

Its never bothered me at all really, which is strange because I absolutely despise Miranda and Samara's.
My theory is because its not presented overtly sexualized manner.

3. What is your preferred romance conclusion for Jack in ME3? Ambiguous? Conclusive?

I'm not sure, I'm a fan of the tragic kick in the guts miserable ending..
What category does that fall under?
4. How do you think Jack would get along with Kaidan, Ashley, or Liara?

I dunno really, I can imagine her actually liking Kaiden (as much as Jack can like a person) but never really becoming friends with him, I think respect would be a better word.
Ash, they'd probably hate each other at first and tolerate each other (at best) by the end.
Liara: Probably wouldn't even notice shes there.

6. Assuming there is (hopefully) banter in ME3, who would you most like to see Jack bantering with?

(God I really want DA banter)
It probably wouldn't be the best banter she'd have but I'd still like to see what she and Garrus think of each other, as they are my 2 favourite characters and my Shep's 2 closest buddies.

7. What did you do in the Jack v. Miranda fight and why?

So far I simply use the renegade persuade to settle it (easy renegade points)
Although I'm not sure if my canon will strictly side with Jack (not sure if missing out on the renegade points is worth it, metagaming I know...)
8. Is there anything you especially agree or disagree with Jack in terms of her views?

Shes quite similar to me with her views, I'm just more laid back about it.

9. Do you think Jack and Grunt could be friends?

Before ME2 was released I always imagined Grunt developing a kind of cute little crush on Jack, I have to admit I was quite dissapointed when it didn't happen...
10. What do you foresee in terms of Jack and Miranda? Will they ever put aside their differences?

I don't really care for Miranda at all, part of the reason I like Jack is because she straight away hated Miranda.
So I hope she never really grows to like her at all.
11. What do you want to do with the Illusive Man?

I don't trust him at all and I'm not a big fan of the whole human supremacy thing, but he is a neccessary ally and also a very useful one (compared to the council)
12. Did you destroy or rewrite the Heretics?

Still have no idea what my canon for this will be but at the moment its rewrite.
13. Is your Shepard paragon or renegade? Or maybe Paragade, Neutral, or Renegon? Why?

Renegade. (or a better description would be chaotic good)
My Shepard is a narcissist and a sociopath, because of this he doesn't have many close relationships and at best only tolerates those around him, he has a very cynical, nihilistic outlook on life but at the end of the day still does what he believes is best for the galaxy. (I tend to role-play him as a Saren/Light Yagami hybrid)

[Ultai]

jlb524 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Well, they both have a healthy distrust of Miranda, too.

For Cerberus, maybe, but it's not clear if Garrus distrusts Miranda specifically or not.

If Jack is killed during the initial Omega 4 jump, Garrus in her stead will tell Miranda he doesn't want her leading the fire team at the first meeting.  I can't remember the exact words but it went like "I don't want you leading, half the team doesn't trust you anyways."  It made me alot happier with bro Garrus since I always thought when Jack said her line at that scene and he shook his head, that he was disagreeing with Jack or implying a "facepalm".

[Pacifien]

I originally thought he was shaking his head as if thinking "great, those two are going to be at it again," so was pleasantly surprised and amused to see him display quite emphatic distrust of Miranda's ability to lead the team when Jack wasn't there.

[Dominus5412]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Seriously, what are your thoughts as to why this thread about Jack is more civil and engages in  more cerebral discussions than some of the other character threads?  Assuming that you agree that it does of course.

If I may interject here, I'd say it's because it's still a fairly young thread. When it reaches 5000 posts it'll have devolved into nonsense too.