It's not an accident and it doesn't trouble me in the slightest, I'm just having some fun. Of course most of the other factors mentioned are important, but I'd like to think mine is too.
Into the Bad Girl: Jack Fans
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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 06:57
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Hey, we're way past 5000 posts.Dominus5412 wrote...
If I may interject here, I'd say it's because it's still a fairly young thread. When it reaches 5000 posts it'll have devolved into nonsense too.
Now at 5000 pages... I actually would have a hard time seeing this thread reach that point. But again, it's up to the dominant posters of the thread. If they leaned more toward nonsense, I probably wouldn't be much of a participant in the thread anymore anyway.
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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 08:11
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Dominus5412 wrote...
JohnnyDollar wrote...
Seriously, what are your thoughts as to why this thread about Jack is more civil and engages in more cerebral discussions than some of the other character threads? Assuming that you agree that it does of course.
If I may interject here, I'd say it's because it's still a fairly young thread. When it reaches 5000 posts it'll have devolved into nonsense too.
Page count does not equal age. This thread has been around for over 3 months. We just don't treat this thread like a chat room like most of the fan threads.
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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 11:47
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Yeah, because the people here are angry, depressed, confused and conflicted.
Sorry - too easy.
Sorry - too easy.
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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 11:54
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Little Paw wrote...
Yeah, because the people here are angry, depressed, confused and conflicted.
Sorry - too easy.
Yes, it is rather easy to spout random baseless insults. Wit clearly isn't one of your strengths.
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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 11:56
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Little Paw wrote...
Yeah, because the people here are angry, depressed, confused and conflicted.
Sorry - too easy.
No, just irritated.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 12:04
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Random Jack.
So I was talking about Jack in other threads, describing how she is likely the most powerful human biotic, but not necessarily some biotic master. Lack of patience is her achille's heel. While fighting another human biotic, it's doubtful you'd get the Samara/Morinth stalemate, though.
The medical markers all along Jack's body... manipulation of the nervous system or implantation devices?
So the Cerberus cell in charge of Teltin seemed to be working at on creating the ultimate human biotic by any means possible. Furthering biotic potential seemed to continue when Cerberus infiltrated the Ascension Project. I would think the Illusive Man's goal in regards to human biotics is the ability to turn any human into a biotic rather than relying on element zero "accidents." He seems big on comparing humanity's strength to other races, so I'm sure he's quite keen to deliver biotic potential to any human in the way that asari are all naturally inclined to biotics.
That's all I was thinking about lately at any rate.
So I was talking about Jack in other threads, describing how she is likely the most powerful human biotic, but not necessarily some biotic master. Lack of patience is her achille's heel. While fighting another human biotic, it's doubtful you'd get the Samara/Morinth stalemate, though.
The medical markers all along Jack's body... manipulation of the nervous system or implantation devices?
So the Cerberus cell in charge of Teltin seemed to be working at on creating the ultimate human biotic by any means possible. Furthering biotic potential seemed to continue when Cerberus infiltrated the Ascension Project. I would think the Illusive Man's goal in regards to human biotics is the ability to turn any human into a biotic rather than relying on element zero "accidents." He seems big on comparing humanity's strength to other races, so I'm sure he's quite keen to deliver biotic potential to any human in the way that asari are all naturally inclined to biotics.
That's all I was thinking about lately at any rate.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 12:39
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Element zero accidents are too few and far in between to guarantee strong biotic soldiers for Cerberus. Though they had Jack and a backdoor into the Alliance's Ascension program, there's a ways to go before the process is streamlined enough for mass production.
As for manipulation of the nervous system and implants, Cerberus probably increased Jack's threshold for pain just to further increase her biotic output. Of course that doesn't mean it makes her stronger, it just makes her physically capable of enduring pain longer.
Jack already has the latent potential to rival a 600 year old asari
Justicar, and she's still getting stronger. Kinda scary if you think about it. I mean what if Cerberus gets this sick idea into their heads to make even more biotics like Jack and overload them with enough power to unleash a planet-wide singularity? They'll be no more than the futuristic equivalent to suicide bombers. Times 100.
Random note. Funny how all biotics and mass effect fields utilize dark energy that comes out of element zero. The same kinda stuff that makes suns grow older faster, and the same kinda stuff that ultimately powers the Reapers' engine core.
As for manipulation of the nervous system and implants, Cerberus probably increased Jack's threshold for pain just to further increase her biotic output. Of course that doesn't mean it makes her stronger, it just makes her physically capable of enduring pain longer.
Jack already has the latent potential to rival a 600 year old asari
Justicar, and she's still getting stronger. Kinda scary if you think about it. I mean what if Cerberus gets this sick idea into their heads to make even more biotics like Jack and overload them with enough power to unleash a planet-wide singularity? They'll be no more than the futuristic equivalent to suicide bombers. Times 100.
Random note. Funny how all biotics and mass effect fields utilize dark energy that comes out of element zero. The same kinda stuff that makes suns grow older faster, and the same kinda stuff that ultimately powers the Reapers' engine core.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 01:22
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I remember the days when we had classy trolls instead of lame attention wh*res...
Oh, XennExile, how we miss you.
Oh, XennExile, how we miss you.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 01:24
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I thought XennExile was too obvious and crude to consider him to be classy myself.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 01:27
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You guys really want him back here? Careful what you wish for.
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I have a theory that the Asari are naturally biotic because Thessia contains element zero as a mineral through some cosmic event that occurred millions (billions?) of years ago. Thus, the Asari have element zero in their bloodstreams like humans have iron in ours. The Asari have evolved to use element zero naturally. I have no evidence of this, apart from the fact that there is at least one other naturally evolved, biotically-capable species on Thessia.
I think that Cerberus likely experimented with ways to increase Jack's body's ability to tolerate large amounts of eezo in her eezo nodules, along with her conscious mental ability to utilize said eezo. It sickens me to think that the facility at Teltin may have experimented with varying levels of eezo exposure to fetuses.
In non-Asari, eezo in large amounts tends to be carcinogenic, and can lead to congenital birth defects. The Asari may have evolved total resistance to this.
I think that Cerberus likely experimented with ways to increase Jack's body's ability to tolerate large amounts of eezo in her eezo nodules, along with her conscious mental ability to utilize said eezo. It sickens me to think that the facility at Teltin may have experimented with varying levels of eezo exposure to fetuses.
In non-Asari, eezo in large amounts tends to be carcinogenic, and can lead to congenital birth defects. The Asari may have evolved total resistance to this.
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Are you talking about how deep you think the writers of the ME story may actually have gone, but not yet revealed? Or is this just for interesting discussion left up to the reader/player to interpret and speculate in his/her own way?
Are you talking about how deep you think the writers of the ME story may actually have gone, but not yet revealed? Or is this just for interesting discussion left up to the reader/player to interpret and speculate in his/her own way?
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 01:43
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The only problem I see with having the asari's biotics tied to the environment of Thessia is that it doesn't really account for all the biotics born on colony worlds. Though depending on how biotics are tied to the nervous system, I can see all asari becoming biotics through the melding process. So then naturally evolved on Thessia, but maintained through the melding process as the asari spread further from their homeworld.
If Cerberus's intentions were just to increase Jack's tolerance to biotics, that suggests to me that the limit to a human's potential with biotics is simply the limitations of the human body. In Jack's case, the experiments are to work within the confines of that, to increase Jack's tolerance to the sheer strain being put on her body. But then I could see the next step in the process being the use of genetic modification and cybernetics to create humans of unnatural body strength. I haven't read Ascension, but I do know that Cerberus was injecting something into Gillian Grayson -- genetic modification then?
ETA: Oh yes, and what's the other biotic-capable species found on Thessia?
If Cerberus's intentions were just to increase Jack's tolerance to biotics, that suggests to me that the limit to a human's potential with biotics is simply the limitations of the human body. In Jack's case, the experiments are to work within the confines of that, to increase Jack's tolerance to the sheer strain being put on her body. But then I could see the next step in the process being the use of genetic modification and cybernetics to create humans of unnatural body strength. I haven't read Ascension, but I do know that Cerberus was injecting something into Gillian Grayson -- genetic modification then?
ETA: Oh yes, and what's the other biotic-capable species found on Thessia?
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 01:44
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1. What did you do with that dude in Jack's loyalty mission who wanted to do the experiments again?
Talked Jack into sparing him every time
2. What do you think about Jack's default outfit?
I wish they'd just let her be topless, that stupid belt thing is ridiculous.
3. What is your preferred romance conclusion for Jack in ME3? Ambiguous? Conclusive?
I like my plots completely resolved.
4. How do you think Jack would get along with Kaidan, Ashley, or Liara?
Badly?
6. Assuming there is (hopefully) banter in ME3, who would you most like to see Jack bantering with?
Anyone, really.
7. What did you do in the Jack v. Miranda fight and why?
Resolved with Paragon option every time. I wanted to side with Jack as the Shepard that romanced her, but I saw how that went on Youtube and the stuff you say doesn't really match up with my reasons for wanting to do it.
8. Is there anything you especially agree or disagree with Jack in terms of her views?
9. Do you think Jack and Grunt could be friends?
I guess.
10. What do you foresee in terms of Jack and Miranda? Will they ever put aside their differences?
To some degree. Depends on where the "ragequit Cerberus" thing actually goes.
11. What do you want to do with the Illusive Man?
Feed him to Thresher Maws. Not so SCIENCE! now, is it?
12. Did you destroy or rewrite the Heretics?
My one male Shepard rewrote them, my other male Shepard (that one that romanced Jack) and my female Shepard blew 'em up.
13. Is your Shepard paragon or renegade? Or maybe Paragade, Neutral, or Renegon? Why?
Paragade, because you get to be heroic AND kill stuff in hilarious ways.
Talked Jack into sparing him every time
2. What do you think about Jack's default outfit?
I wish they'd just let her be topless, that stupid belt thing is ridiculous.
3. What is your preferred romance conclusion for Jack in ME3? Ambiguous? Conclusive?
I like my plots completely resolved.
4. How do you think Jack would get along with Kaidan, Ashley, or Liara?
Badly?
6. Assuming there is (hopefully) banter in ME3, who would you most like to see Jack bantering with?
Anyone, really.
7. What did you do in the Jack v. Miranda fight and why?
Resolved with Paragon option every time. I wanted to side with Jack as the Shepard that romanced her, but I saw how that went on Youtube and the stuff you say doesn't really match up with my reasons for wanting to do it.
8. Is there anything you especially agree or disagree with Jack in terms of her views?
9. Do you think Jack and Grunt could be friends?
I guess.
10. What do you foresee in terms of Jack and Miranda? Will they ever put aside their differences?
To some degree. Depends on where the "ragequit Cerberus" thing actually goes.
11. What do you want to do with the Illusive Man?
Feed him to Thresher Maws. Not so SCIENCE! now, is it?
12. Did you destroy or rewrite the Heretics?
My one male Shepard rewrote them, my other male Shepard (that one that romanced Jack) and my female Shepard blew 'em up.
13. Is your Shepard paragon or renegade? Or maybe Paragade, Neutral, or Renegon? Why?
Paragade, because you get to be heroic AND kill stuff in hilarious ways.
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@Pacifien,
My theory does actually account for this. The Asari are born with whatever mechanism their bodies use to utilize eezo. If they are born on Thessia, whatever method (let's assume it's eezo nodules like other species), then they receive eezo in utero from their "mother". Asari that are born generations removed from Thessia to a "mother" who herself is generations removed from Thessia will have little to no eezo content in their bodies because they received none in utero. Because of this, I think that an Asari who is in this condition would respond very well to eezo injections because her body has evolved to handle the biological effects of eezo presence.
The other biotic-capable species on Thessia is a primate-analogue, the "Manal", perhaps to the Asari what chimpanzees are to humans.
http://www.cerberusdailynews.com/?p=60
I think it's just speculation. I think this is sound speculation, though.
EDIT: Formatting woes.
My theory does actually account for this. The Asari are born with whatever mechanism their bodies use to utilize eezo. If they are born on Thessia, whatever method (let's assume it's eezo nodules like other species), then they receive eezo in utero from their "mother". Asari that are born generations removed from Thessia to a "mother" who herself is generations removed from Thessia will have little to no eezo content in their bodies because they received none in utero. Because of this, I think that an Asari who is in this condition would respond very well to eezo injections because her body has evolved to handle the biological effects of eezo presence.
The other biotic-capable species on Thessia is a primate-analogue, the "Manal", perhaps to the Asari what chimpanzees are to humans.
http://www.cerberusdailynews.com/?p=60
JohnnyDollar wrote...
@york
Are you talking about how
deep you think the writers of the ME story may actually have gone, but
not yet revealed? Or is this just for interesting discussion left up
to the reader/player to interpret and speculate in his/her own way?
I think it's just speculation. I think this is sound speculation, though.
EDIT: Formatting woes.
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Is this assuming that all Asari whether on Thessia or not, are biotic?yorkj86 wrote...
My theory does actually account for this. The Asari are born with whatever mechanism their bodies use to utilize eezo. If they are born on Thessia, whatever method (let's assume it's eezo nodules like other species), then they receive eezo in utero from their "mother". Asari that are born generations removed from Thessia to a "mother" who herself is generations removed from Thessia will have little to no eezo content in their bodies because they received none in utero. Because of this, I think that an Asari who is in this condition would respond very well to eezo injections because her body has evolved to handle the biological effects of eezo presence.
The other biotic-capable species on Thessia is a primate-analogue, the "Manal", perhaps to the Asari what chimpanzees are to humans.
http://www.cerberusdailynews.com/?p=60
If so, then according to your theory, you would have to assume that all off world Asari that no longer have eezo in their bodies because of exposure on Thessia, are taking injections wouldn't you? If not, then there are non biotic Asari out there that we don't know about?
What if the Asari and other life indigenous to Thessia, are based off of eezo, similar to how earth life is based off of carbon?
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 02:21
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axl99 wrote...
You guys really want him back here? Careful what you wish for.
He can't come back here if he wanted to. I made sure of it.
Of course he could just make a new account. But that would be make him look really (more) pathetic and desperate.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 02:35
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It assumes that all Asari, whether on Thessia or not, are biotics-capable.
I would have to assume that all Asari a certain number of generations removed from Asari born on Thessia have little to no eezo in their bodies, and thus little to no biotic ability. If the Asari have evolved to use eezo naturally, however, a quantifiable amount of eezo injected in to the body should give her the ability to utilize whatever mechanisms were in her body that allow her to use biotics, but were dormant, due to lack of eezo. If my theory holds, it must necessarily be the case that there are Asari in the galaxy who are not biotically-active, but still biotically-capable, as stated above.
I don't know how much sense it would make for all life on Thessia to be based on eezo. Someone added their own contribution to my theory, stating that they think that the Asari live so long because their incredible resistance to the effects of aging are a by-product of their resistance to the biological effects of eezo exposure. Their cells are extremely resistant to degeneration-over-time, which is what aging is. Consequently, the Krogan would have biotics among their numbers because they have robust cellular regenerative abilities, and thus they can simply heal the harmful effects of eezo presence in their bodies.
EDIT: More formatting woes.
It assumes that all Asari, whether on Thessia or not, are biotics-capable.
I would have to assume that all Asari a certain number of generations removed from Asari born on Thessia have little to no eezo in their bodies, and thus little to no biotic ability. If the Asari have evolved to use eezo naturally, however, a quantifiable amount of eezo injected in to the body should give her the ability to utilize whatever mechanisms were in her body that allow her to use biotics, but were dormant, due to lack of eezo. If my theory holds, it must necessarily be the case that there are Asari in the galaxy who are not biotically-active, but still biotically-capable, as stated above.
I don't know how much sense it would make for all life on Thessia to be based on eezo. Someone added their own contribution to my theory, stating that they think that the Asari live so long because their incredible resistance to the effects of aging are a by-product of their resistance to the biological effects of eezo exposure. Their cells are extremely resistant to degeneration-over-time, which is what aging is. Consequently, the Krogan would have biotics among their numbers because they have robust cellular regenerative abilities, and thus they can simply heal the harmful effects of eezo presence in their bodies.
EDIT: More formatting woes.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 03:14
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Jackal904 wrote...
axl99 wrote...
You guys really want him back here? Careful what you wish for.
He can't come back here if he wanted to. I made sure of it.
Of course he could just make a new account. But that would be make him look really (more) pathetic and desperate.
How do we know he hasn't already and isn't just pretending to be okay with everyone and we just don't know it:blink:
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 03:17
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Well he isn't banned from the forums, just this thread.
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About as much sense as the "Asari" make.yorkj86 wrote...
I don't know how much sense it would make for all life on Thessia to be based on eezo.
/humor
Edit: Sentence error
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 05:42
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That's pretty cool, I'm not sure I've seen another forum where people could be banned from specific threads. That's a good feature to have.Jackal904 wrote...
Well he isn't banned from the forums, just this thread.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 06:27
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I like the latest developement of the Motivationals thread...
... Miranda isn't enjoying it however ;-)
... Miranda isn't enjoying it however ;-)
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