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LiquidGrape wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Going to bring this back up, Miri is not simple. Both her and Jack have a similar past with Jack having more of an extream past. Miri also tries to push you away, but she admits her feelings because not only is Shepard the first man to ever make her feel that she is not a tool, she respects the hell of him. Jack is a very complex person but to say Miri is simple is a bash to the character and a stupid comment. Miri is not simple, she is a complex character, not as complex as Jack but that means nothing. I also find that bit about the catsuit very offensive.


Someone is being  wee-bit overprotective.



He's just had a lot of experience with people hating on Miranda and calling her a sex object. It tends to really get to us after a while.

A lot of the other LI fanbases really seem to spit on Miranda from on high. I don't know why, but they really seem to disdain her.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Mondo did not use the word "simple" in the post that kraidy quoted. She used the word "simpler".

Kraidy says in his post that Miranda is not as complex as Jack.

So in the context of the posts that were quoted, what I gathered out of kraidy's post was him being offended over the catsuit comment.


And that mondo is implying Miri is easy which is pure bashing. That is not true. Last time I cheacked you can only have sex with her when you are romancing her, you can have sex with Jack before the romance, does not matter if its bad or not, it's still there because Jack is horny.

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kraidy1117 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Mondo did not use the word "simple" in the post that kraidy quoted. She used the word "simpler".

Kraidy says in his post that Miranda is not as complex as Jack.

So in the context of the posts that were quoted, what I gathered out of kraidy's post was him being offended over the catsuit comment.


And that mondo is implying Miri is easy which is pure bashing. That is not true. Last time I cheacked you can only have sex with her when you are romancing her, you can have sex with Jack before the romance, does not matter if its bad or not, it's still there because Jack is horny.


First of all, I believe you misinterpreted the tongue-in-cheek gist of Mondo's post.
Secondly, while I wouldn't go so far as to call Miranda easy, it's definitely not a complex romance.
You kick the bucket to and fro for a few conversations, and it's always glaringly obvious what outcome any of the given replies will have. The same routine is evident in Tali, Garrus, Jacob, Thane, Kaidan, Ashley and Liara.
Jack is, together with Samara, the one LI which defies that formulaic approach to romance.
Sure, Miranda's got some daddy-damage and she's fairly well characterised. But I believe I defer to empirical truths when I say that Jack is a far more nuanced character.
The sex scene you mention is further proof of that. A lesser Shepard which opts to go through with that engagement will find that the only reward is Jack's cold shoulder.
That, if anything, is an attempt at complexity which Mass Effect frankly never had previously.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 22 mai 2010 - 09:47 .


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dunno why...but for some reason if u play your cards right..i can see Miranda and Jack getting along in ME3...just got that feeling..

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I won't speak for Mondo on this.



I will speak for myself though. These are characters in a story in a video game. There is no need to let yourselves get worked up over what people are saying about Miranda. Your not going to change what people think or say about her. Your frustration is only wasted energy, but it can be turned into something positive if you try. I know it is easier said than done at times, but you just have to let it go.

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Mondo47 wrote...

I see a scene something like this...


Shepard prepares to leave the Normandy to deal with some personal business...

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Awesome fic Mondo ^_^

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Oooohkay, I think a wee explaination is in order here (no idea why, but here we go)...

In the original interview that started off this little debate, the word used to describe the payer's interactions with Miranda was "simple." I don't think that was in any way meant to give the impression that Miri-fans are in some way dumber for angling their preference at Miranda. I think the meaning of 'simple' as used in the interview was to describe lesser complication in establishing a rapport with the character; Miranda is (and this cannot be argued in comparison to Jack) a much less complicated person. Sure, she has her own issues of trust, self-worth and a gaggle of family-related woes, but she does not had the barriers Jack has erected to keep herself safe over the years, nor does she have another layer of armor layed on top of that to push away anyone that might make the gross error of wanting to care about her. In a nutshell, Miranda is much less complicated to reach, to touch, and if you want to go that far, to woo. There's nothing wrong with that, either; it doesn't make her any less of a character, nor does it make great social commentary about her fanbase. If anything, the only thing I truly dislike about Miri is her attitude towards other people stinks. People change though, and I can certainly see a future where Miranda is a much different and better person (and one of my favorite blog entries illustrates that, and a few of my less serious ones take it even further thanks to Bobby's revolting influence ;) ). All that was trying to be said in the original interview (and unfortunately not that clearly) is that Miranda is easier to reach out to, while Jack tends to bite your fingers every time you try.

The interview used the word "simple" - so I used "simpler." That's all. I don't think I'd be able to pull off saying someone with no formal education is more intellectually adept than someone engineered and educated to a genius level... not even if I wrote a really silly scene for it. I like argumentative, difficult people - that's just me though. And sure, if my life experiences and those of the people I hold dearest means I lean towards Jack more than Miri, hell, guilty as charged. Different strokes and all that.

Oh, and as for the catsuit crack - yeah, that was done purely for jest. We like to poke fun at characters around here, even Jack on occasion - it's just how we roll as the hip kids say. But yeah, it was bashing, in the same sense everyone else bashes characters for a giggle. If it offends anyone's sensibilities, jeez, lighten the hell up (something incidentally some of the regulars in here have been told for leaping to Jack's defense when someone does a little "good clean fun" bashing of their own). I won't speak for everyone else, but when I do it, it's as unintended to offend as I was when I taught my class 'The Aristocrats' joke the other day. Miri catches more flak here due to her little showdown with Jack on the Normandy, and I'll bet it's the other way around in Miri-fan threads too.

Sermon over. Peace(nik) out.

:kissing:

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Sorry dragging you into that Mondo... Image IPB

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GodWood wrote...

Sorry dragging you into that Mondo... Image IPB


Nae bother, laddie ^_^

Oh dear: patois... Uncle Royce will flay my back off my bones for that :D

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I like Jack, she's one of my favourites personally. She isn't "goody-two-shoes" unlike some of the female characters; she does something out on impulse.



I like that.

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Jack was one of the best characters in the game. possibly second only to Mordin, that dudes hilarious.

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Mondo47 wrote...

Oh, and as for the catsuit crack - yeah, that was done purely for jest. We like to poke fun at characters around here, even Jack on occasion - it's just how we roll as the hip kids say. But yeah, it was bashing, in the same sense everyone else bashes characters for a giggle. If it offends anyone's sensibilities, jeez, lighten the hell up (something incidentally some of the regulars in here have been told for leaping to Jack's defense when someone does a little "good clean fun" bashing of their own). I won't speak for everyone else, but when I do it, it's as unintended to offend as I was when I taught my class 'The Aristocrats' joke the other day. Miri catches more flak here due to her little showdown with Jack on the Normandy, and I'll bet it's the other way around in Miri-fan threads too.

:kissing:


Yes, yes it is. And it's rather hypocritical for a Miranda fan to come in here and say we can't poke fun at Miranda, when Jack gets torn apart in the Miranda thread. Mondo's comment about Miranda's "catsuit" is absolutely nothing compared to the some of the things recently posted in the Miranda thread about Jack.

And the only time Miranda pushes you away is right after you talk to TIM for the first time when you haven't even stepped on the new Normandy yet. Miranda is not simple, but she is not complex. How many people romance Miranda and say, "Oh man what a deep character!" I can't think of any outside the Miranda thread. Instead you hear stuff like, "Omg look at that ass!" Everyone I know in real life that romanced Miranda were like, "Omg Miranda is so hot and has a great ass!" Jack has had articles written about how much depth she has. Positive comments about Jack are often about how people are amazed how deep of a charater she is. Look up a Miranda video and you'll see 20 comments below it saying, "Dat ass!"

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Jackal904 wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

Oh, and as for the catsuit crack - yeah, that was done purely for jest. We like to poke fun at characters around here, even Jack on occasion - it's just how we roll as the hip kids say. But yeah, it was bashing, in the same sense everyone else bashes characters for a giggle. If it offends anyone's sensibilities, jeez, lighten the hell up (something incidentally some of the regulars in here have been told for leaping to Jack's defense when someone does a little "good clean fun" bashing of their own). I won't speak for everyone else, but when I do it, it's as unintended to offend as I was when I taught my class 'The Aristocrats' joke the other day. Miri catches more flak here due to her little showdown with Jack on the Normandy, and I'll bet it's the other way around in Miri-fan threads too.

:kissing:


Yes, yes it is. And it's rather hypocritical for a Miranda fan to come in here and say we can't poke fun at Miranda, when Jack gets torn apart in the Miranda thread. Mondo's comment about Miranda's "catsuit" is absolutely nothing compared to the some of the things recently posted in the Miranda thread about Jack.

And the only time Miranda pushes you away is right after you talk to TIM for the first time when you haven't even stepped on the new Normandy yet. Miranda is not simple, but she is not complex. How many people romance Miranda and say, "Oh man what a deep character!" I can't think of any outside the Miranda thread. Instead you hear stuff like, "Omg look at that ass!" Everyone I know in real life that romanced Miranda were like, "Omg Miranda is so hot and has a great ass!" Jack has had articles written about how much depth she has. Positive comments about Jack are often about how people are amazed how deep of a charater she is. Look up a Miranda video and you'll see 20 comments below it saying, "Dat ass!"


Yeah, the intrawebs is full of retards, we knew that already.

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LiquidGrape wrote...

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I knew you were still making art, you were just hiding it from us.

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Don't kid yourself, that's an old one. And since I didn't even attempt at polish when I drew it, I think I won't suffer from my inferiority complex.

I think.

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Hey guys! Just visiting from the Tali thread.

How are things here?

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Lividity Jones wrote...

Hey guys! Just visiting from the Tali thread.

How are things here?


Some drama.   It'll take a bit to scroll it all off of the most recent page.

What's going on in the Tali thread?

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yorkj86 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Hey guys! Just visiting from the Tali thread.

How are things here?


Some drama.   It'll take a bit to scroll it all off of the most recent page.

What's going on in the Tali thread?


Not much, really.

It's kind of slow today.

Discussing her father at the moment.

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Lividity Jones wrote...

Hey guys! Just visiting from the Tali thread.

How are things here?


Question?  How do you deal with some of the crazy tali fans.  I've noticed Jake##### harassing other fan pages a lot.  Do you every rein him in?  Tell him to stop?  How do you keep some of your more extreme element in check?  Thanks.

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NICKjnp wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Hey guys! Just visiting from the Tali thread.

How are things here?


Question?  How do you deal with some of the crazy tali fans.  I've noticed Jake##### harassing other fan pages a lot.  Do you every rein him in?  Tell him to stop?  How do you keep some of your more extreme element in check?  Thanks.


Jake is... antagonistic towards just about everyone. As far as reigning him in, I'm not sure we are capable of that. He rarely listens to anybody.

But I'd rather not talk about someone behind their back.

Our extreme elements? Plenty of us are devoted, but I wouldn't call anybody extreme. We're just here to make sure Tali makes it into ME3. We do whatever we have to to make sure Bioware is aware of our presence.

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So do we Jones, so do we :D.

Modifié par axl99, 22 mai 2010 - 05:36 .


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axl99 wrote...

So do we Jones, so do we :D.




I think you Jack fans have less to worry about.

I don't think it's possible for a romanced Jack to just up and bail on Shepard.

Unless she decides to go out hunting down Cerberus using EDI's files.

Edit: Not to slight any of your efforts, of course. We Talimancers totally get it.

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I just thought I'd throw into here that one of the appeals of the Jack thread to me was that, while those who posted here were obvious fans of Jack, their love of Jack did not seem to define them as fans. So don't disappoint me, people of this thread.

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Pacifien wrote...

I just thought I'd throw into here that one of the appeals of the Jack thread to me was that, while those who posted here were obvious fans of Jack, their love of Jack did not seem to define them as fans. So don't disappoint me, people of this thread.


Is that an ultimatum? That sounds like an ultimatum to me.
Well, I've never been one to back down from a challenge.
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Have at you!








- But I know what you mean.
This thread has consistently been quite level-headed, and had a healthy detachment from the subject matter.

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