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[KendallX23]

so it's beacuse of homophobes...too many pages to read through it all..

[Jackal904]

Lets not go down this road again. I am not homophobic, but I don't think there should be same sex romances in any ME game. I'm fine with it in DA:O and Fable, but not Mass Effect.

Modifié par Jackal904, 22 mai 2010 - 11:40 .

[LiquidGrape]

Jackal904 wrote...

Lets not go down this road again. I am not homophobic, but I don't think there should be same sex romances in any ME game. I'm fine with it in DA:O and Fable, but not Mass Effect.

I'm curious as to why. I'd like to hear a real argument opposed to its inclusion.
Surely it would make the most sense to include QGBLT themes in a futuristic setting? Considering the progress we've made in just the past forty years, by 2183 I wouldn't be surprised if sexuality is a non-issue.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 23 mai 2010 - 12:09 .

[Collider]

Curious as well. (If this thread is not the proper venue, the group in my thread - Character Discussion Group would work fine).

Modifié par Collider, 23 mai 2010 - 12:01 .

[kraidy1117]

ME had a F/F romance, there should be a M/M romance to be fair. I won't do it, nor is anyone else forced to do it but it should be there to be fair.

[KendallX23]

they never had a F/F romance..the devs..wel lsome of them..do not consider asari women.....guess who is the dev who said that

[kraidy1117]

KendallX23 wrote...

they never had a F/F romance..the devs..wel lsome of them..do not consider asari women.....guess who is the dev who said that

Ya and Casey said Liara was a Asexual which is wrong. Asari are woman, thus if you romance Liara as a female Shepard and only liara, that Shepard is a lesbian, thats all there is to it, I don't care what Casey tries to say.

[axl99]

Well all asari are - as they say - "monogendered".



Sometimes I think it's not a matter of some strange sense of homophobia that same sex romances are excluded from ME2, but the notion that it may be perceived as yet another form of overly gratuitous fan service.



Dragon Age had that, an implied threesome, and more. Ask some of the fans if they romanced a male elf just so they can watch him getting "tent time" with their male Grey Warden.

[Pacifien]

Okay, this might seem contradictory considering how much I was a proponent of Jack's bisexual nature, but I'd rather the developers not suddenly make her keen to start a relationship with a female Shepard in ME3 to appease those who'd like to see such female action. They had their chance to go down that road, decided not to take it, so don't stumble on the characterization they've already established. Which is such a lost opportunity for me and my female Shepards, but I won't cry. Nope, it doesn't hit me deep down inside that both Jack and Mordin reject me even though my love for them is true.

Which is a sentiment I hold for all the romance interests we've seen so far, but I'm not adverse to the developers making new bisexual/homosexual love interests for Shepard. Which I know will throw some people in an uproar 'cause their Shepard isn't gay, but I think they should learn that just because an option exists in the game doesn't mean they have to take it or believe it applies to their own version of Shepard. And as people specifically replay ME1 to keep their Shepard's romance free for their ME2 love interests, I can see people replaying both ME1 and ME2 to keep their Shepard romance free for a ME3 love interest that suits their orientation.

Okay, but then I'm talking about adding yet more to the growing Shepard crew, which is already an unpopular sentiment as it is. On top of that, it's adding same-sex romance to Shepard, which is already a controversial sentiment as well. So perhaps two background NPCs reference their homosexual love for each other. Perhaps Jack wasn't interested in a female Shepard because she'd already allowed Miranda into her girl's club. No wait. Bad me! Talking in circles and contradiction yourself! Stop that!

Perhaps the developers should break new ground in whatever other ME title they work on outside of the Shepard trilogy.

[Collider]

I agree Pacifien - I am absolutely fine with new romance interests who are gay or bisexual, but I'd like them to keep the orientations of characters who already have romances the same.

[axl99]

Speaking of retcon...



In ME3, what if the canon story could be possibly that Shepard and his team never survived the suicide mission. At least according to whatever propaganda Cerberus or the Citadel or the Alliance spins once the "SHEPARD'S ALIVE" rumours get out of hand.



You play as some new dude/clone/geth-in-synthetic-skin, go through a few missions and - depending on your choices in ME2 - come across the familiar silhouette of a certain spaceship, and end up playing as the commander of said spaceship.



Or even better, the dream team's split up and you're playing as one of the characters trying to pull things together. Imagine playing as Joker again. Or Chakwas. Or Kelly [I kid].

[Collider]

That just means I don't give Bioware my money.

[Collider]

Asari are not women. But they are female. Therefore F!Shepard being in a romance with Liara or Samara would be lesbian/bisexual.



The codex says that the Asari are an all female race.

[jlb524]

Just like there is 'no crying in baseball', there are 'no gays in Mass Effect'.

[Collider]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Collider wrote...
Asari are not women. But they are female. Therefore F!Shepard being in a romance with Liara or Samara would be lesbian/bisexual.

The codex says that the Asari are an all female race.

Prove it, I don't care what the codex says.

--
Female Parts + Female Attributes + Codex + Lore = Asari are female.

[Onyx Jaguar]

*jumps in*



I agree with Collider and Kraidy, however I will point out that the Codex is there for supplementary material. However it is also biased on perspective and can get things wrong.



For instance it was pointed out in the Dragon Age forums that there were some big inconsistancies in the Codex and the events of the novels and what happened in game. Gaider came out and said that the Codex wasn't necessarily Canon as because of the amount of writers mistakes would be made and basically what you saw in game and what happened in the books would be canon.



It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to assume the same of the Mass Effect codex. I would use the in game examples given by characters as a reference for the Asari. But then again the ME codex seems a bit more ironed out.



*jumps out*

[jlb524]

Casey Hudson says that the asari are asexual and Liara/FemShep ain't f/f....



..oh wait, who still cares about what he says?

[Collider]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Collider wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Collider wrote...
Asari are not women. But they are female. Therefore F!Shepard being in a romance with Liara or Samara would be lesbian/bisexual.

The codex says that the Asari are an all female race.

Prove it, I don't care what the codex says.

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Female Parts + Female Attributes + Codex + Lore = Asari are female.

Upload a chart Collider.  Until then, you have nothing outside of their scope.

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Upload a chart Collider.  Until then, you have nothing outside of their scope.

[jtav]

Asari are biologically female, but I'm not sure their gender is female. For the simple reason that they don't conceive gender in human terms. They don't seem to identify as female. But any human observing would see the femShep/Liara relationship as lesbian. Including the player.



And Jack struck me as a closeted bisexual.