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[Gethforceone]

How did the Jack thread become the asari thread? No offense intended.

[Onyx Jaguar]

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Upload a chart Collider.  Until then, you have nothing outside of their scope.

[Onyx Jaguar]

jtav wrote...

Asari are biologically female, but I'm not sure their gender is female. For the simple reason that they don't conceive gender in human terms. They don't seem to identify as female. But any human observing would see the femShep/Liara relationship as lesbian. Including the player.

And Jack struck me as a closeted bisexual.

For Liara there are no gender roles so it would not be a homosexual relationship.  But for Shepard it would be a homosexual relationship.

[Pacifien]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Prove it, I don't care what the codex says.

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

[Pacifien]

Gethforceone wrote...
How did the Jack thread become the asari thread? No offense intended.

I doubt Jack would ever roll with an asari if the melding process were somehow an intricate part of their sexual process. Which I now wonder if it is, 'cause I can't see aliens suddenly jumping at the chance for a little asari action if opening their minds up to them is a requirement.

[Collider]

How can we not have enough facts when it says literally in the game that Asari are female

[jlb524]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Come over to the Samara thread, and bring a chart of Asari anatomy with you.

Can also take it to the Liara thread where everyone thinks the asari are female.

[Collider]

That's a good idea.

[adriano_c]

Collider wrote...

Asari are not women. But they are female.

I'm not sure, but shouldn't this be reversed? The asari are women, but not female?

fe·male
   /ˈfimeɪl/ Show Spelled[fee-meyl] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a person bearing two X chromosomes in the cell nuclei and normally having a vagina, a uterus and ovaries, and developing at puberty a relatively rounded body and enlarged breasts, and retaining a beardless face; a girl or woman.

I'd rather not get into all the make-believe biology, but I don't think they meet a few of these requirements. I thought it was something like, there are no female or male asari, just asari.

Meanwhile, I take 'woman' to more of an abstract category, but that's just me.

[Collider]

What constitutes as a woman is defined by society - as in social gender. Seeing as how all Asari are female, it's unlikely that they have a concept of womanhood. They assuredly have various stages of maturity - matron, matriarch, etc, but them developing a concept for womanhood by themselves is like humans making a social concept of people who have hands.

What constitutes as female is biology.

Modifié par Collider, 23 mai 2010 - 02:42 .

[adriano_c]

Collider wrote...

What constitutes as a woman is defined by society - as in social gender. Seeing as how all Asari are female,
it's unlikely that they have a concept of womanhood. They assuredly have various stages of maturity - matron, matriarch, etc, but them developing a concept for womanhood by themselves is like humans making a social concept of people who have hands.

What constitutes as female is biology.

Exactly my point...the last line, that is.

-edit.

If anything, I'd say the issue would only come up when dealing with species that have male/female biological realities to begin with. Otherwise, it makes no sense for them.

Meanwhile, the whole idea of "womanhood" is something that humans would perceive present with them, if you get what I'm saying. They happen to use feminine terms for various aspects of themselves, the dress, etc., all of which seem like it fits into our social construct of being a "woman" (+ whatever associated gender role), but biologically, they don't fit.

Modifié par adriano_c, 23 mai 2010 - 02:50 .

[axl99]

The Art of Mass Effect 2 part one:

The one with Matt Rhodes' concepts of Jack at 3:29.

Sure some of us have seen it, but it never hurts to watch it again.

Modifié par axl99, 23 mai 2010 - 02:52 .

[Jackal904]

Collider wrote...

What constitutes as a woman is defined by society - as in social gender. What constitutes as female is biology.

This may make me sound shallow, but they're the same thing. Asari are all female, end of story. They look almost identical to human females, therefore if a human female is physical attracted to them, then that human is a lesbian or bisexual. There is no way around it, a romantic relationship between an asari and a human female is a lesbian relationship. Just because the biology behind asari gender is not identical to humans, it does not make any human female in a relationship with them any less of a lesbian or bisexual.

[axl99]

Re-posted my own fanart of Jack just because I can.

[Collider]

Jackal904 wrote...

Collider wrote...

What constitutes as a woman is defined by society - as in social gender. What constitutes as female is biology.

This may make me sound shallow, but they're the same thing. Asari are all female, end of story. They look almost identical to human females, therefore if a human female is physical attracted to them, then that human is a lesbian or bisexual. There is no way around it, a romantic relationship between an asari and a human female is a lesbian relationship. Just because the biology behind asari gender is not identical to humans, it does not make any human female in a relationship with them any less of a lesbian or bisexual.

Woman and female are not the same thing. A month old baby girl is not a woman. But she is female.

As for bolded, you are correct.

[Zombor]

And Jack struck me as a closeted bisexual.

I got the opposite. I can completely buy that Jack fooled around with a girl in the past and isn't shy about telling you this, but that she isn't actually interested in a lesbian relationship. It fits that she's done a lot of things out of experimentation, and that she uses femShep's attraction as an excuse to keep her at a distance. It's just disappointing that Jack's dialogue dead-ends there.

[Jackal904]

Alright, so I noticed some new things after having just watched that Art of the Game video.

Here are two pictures of individual tattoos. In the first picture there is this skeleton-like drawing that is not a tattoo on Jack, and I'm really interested in what it could be. I'm thinking it was tattoos that he decide not to include. (Edit: Nevermind, it's the tattoos along her arms. Seeing them flattened out threw me off)





These next few pictures are when Matt Rhodes is applying the different layers of Jack's tattoos. We've had several discussions speculating which of Jack's tattoos are related to her time at Teltin, and which she had willfully done. Well this first picture is the first layer of Jack's tattoos, and based on what they look like, and the fact that they're the first layer, I think it's safe to say all of these scars are all of Jack's medical scars.

First layer (medical tattoos)


Second layer


Third layer


Fourth layer


Fifth (and final) layer


Here's a picture of her front concept appearance. You can see that she doesn't have the skeleton hands tattoo on her chest from her final model. There may be other differences in her tattoos from her final model, but I didn't look too closely.



Also, Matt Rhodes stressed that every single tattoo has a meaning, and every single detail on her is a part of her history.

Modifié par Jackal904, 23 mai 2010 - 03:49 .

[Pacifien]

Probably would have been better if Jack said she tried the girls' club thing and decided she liked the equipment better at the boys' club.



No wait, that makes her sound like a pedophile...