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[SpiderFan1217]

yorkj86 wrote...

I'd definitely like to hear what the ME1 squadmates think about Shepard's relationship with Jack.

Ashley: "So that's the kind of woman Shepard likes..."

Liara: "Shadow Broker!"

Wrex: "Shepard, you have good taste in women, my friend."

lols at the Wrex one.

[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...
Kaiden: A pile of ashes can't speak.

His biotics speak to you from beyond.

[MHRazer]

Off the discussion a bit but we were talking about it earlier; I just re-read the e-mail Cerberus sends you regarding the Teltin facility after Jack's loyalty mission, and it mentions giving the children who survived amnesic treatments. So erasing memories was not only within their ability, but was definitely used. Lends credence to the idea that the reason Jack's first memory is of her cell is because Cerberus wanted her as a blank slate.

[axl99]

Y'know it'd be pretty effed up if Cerberus also intended to use the Teltin experiments to find a way to resist/overcome Reaper indoctrination.

[adriano_c]

See ya in a few months Jack thread + residents.

[Pacifien]

adriano_c wrote...
See ya in a few months Jack thread + residents.

Have fun storming the castle!

[Pacifien]

axl99 wrote...
Y'know it'd be pretty effed up if Cerberus also intended to use the Teltin experiments to find a way to resist/overcome Reaper indoctrination.

Don't think it fits with the timeline on when we actually learn about indoctrination, but I'm sure the Illusive Man has someone working on it. Or I would have been sure about it, but their greatest resource in helping study indoctrination turned the entire science team into husks and then fell into the gravity well of a brown dwarf. So nevermind.

I strongly suspect the salarians have people working on it, too. I imagine a few parts of Sovereign made it into their hands for study.

[Jackal904]

MHRazer wrote...

Off the discussion a bit but we were talking about it earlier; I just re-read the e-mail Cerberus sends you regarding the Teltin facility after Jack's loyalty mission, and it mentions giving the children who survived amnesic treatments. So erasing memories was not only within their ability, but was definitely used. Lends credence to the idea that the reason Jack's first memory is of her cell is because Cerberus wanted her as a blank slate.

That's very interesting, I did not know that. I think it is extremely likely that they indeed erased all of Jack's memories before Teltin. That could make for some interesting subplot regarding Jack. Somehow she finds out she had a life before Teltin, it's just that Cerberus erased those memories. Then Jack would try to find out about her life before Teltin. That would be crazy to find Jack's parents. I don't know if Jack would be pissed at them, thinking that it's their fault she ended up at the Teltin Facility. Or if Jack would be happy to see them. I wonder how her parents would react upon seeing her.

adriano_c wrote...

See ya in a few months Jack thread +
residents.

Bye. Try not to get some crazy disease .

Modifié par Jackal904, 31 mai 2010 - 02:50 .

[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

Liara: "Shadow Broker!"

Haha that made me lol.

[jtav]

I have a couple of questions. About how old is Jack? Would 2160-2161 be a reasonable birthday? Also, how old was she at the time of her escape from Teltin?

[MHRazer]

Jackal904 wrote...

That's very interesting, I did not know that. I think it is extremely likely that they indeed erased all of Jack's memories before Teltin. That could make for some interesting subplot regarding Jack. Somehow she finds out she had a life before Teltin, it's just that Cerberus erased those memories. Then Jack would try to find out about her life before Teltin. That would be crazy to find Jack's parents. I don't know if Jack would be pissed at them, thinking that it's their fault she ended up at the Teltin Facility. Or if Jack would be happy to see them. I wonder how her parents would react upon seeing her.

I think at the very least she'd pretend to be pissed off at them. She'd have alllll of her defense mechanisms kicking in at full power if she ever met face-to-face with her parents. 

I have a couple of questions. About how old is Jack? Would 2160-2161 be a reasonable birthday? Also, how old was she at the time of her escape from Teltin?

We're unsure about all of that. Best guess puts her around 22-25, escaping probably before 11 or 12 years old. Numbers have been thrown around based on the link to the Ascension program, but it's guesswork.

[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

That's very interesting, I did not know that. I think it is extremely likely that they indeed erased all of Jack's memories before Teltin. That could make for some interesting subplot regarding Jack. Somehow she finds out she had a life before Teltin, it's just that Cerberus erased those memories. Then Jack would try to find out about her life before Teltin. That would be crazy to find Jack's parents. I don't know if Jack would be pissed at them, thinking that it's their fault she ended up at the Teltin Facility. Or if Jack would be happy to see them. I wonder how her parents would react upon seeing her.

I wonder what Jack's reaction would be if she were to find that her parents were criminals themselves.  If she had been romanced by a Paragon Shepard, would that cause a crisis for her?  This assumes that Jack, with Shepard, no longer has a reason to be a criminal.  After the intial shock of meeting her parents, would Jack chastise them for being criminals?  If they were criminals because they need to be in order to stay alive, she might understand.  If they were successful criminals, would her reaction be different?  It'd be nice to see some character development caused by Shepard in his teammates, if Shepard has to be an emotionless block.

I'm not sure how Jack would react if she found out her parents were criminals.

As for Shepard's influence on Jack in ME3. I think in ME3 (if you gained Jack's loyalty in ME2) she'll be extremely loyal to Shepard and feel very appreciative of him, more-so than other squadmates. In ME2 when you talk to Jack after her loyalty mission you can see how appreciative she is towards Shepard, and that nod she gives Shepard at the end cutscene also shows her respect towards him. She'll still be tough and make her snide remarks even to Shepard, but
she'll always have his back to show her thanks for everything he has done for her. And not only has Shepard helped her destroy the Teltin Facility and deal with her past, but I'm sure she's also thankful for Shepard taking her in and giving her a place to stay where she can feel safe, and where she isn't being used for once (unless of course you have renegade sex with her). I wouldn't be surprised if she would **** somebody out for so much as make a nasty comment about Shepard, but she'll still make nasty comments about him if she wants to, just no one else better.

Modifié par Jackal904, 31 mai 2010 - 04:21 .

[jtav]

Honestly, I always assumed Jack was "grown" by Cerberus specifically to create a super-biotic. She remembers nothing before the cell because there was nothing before the cell. This might just be me taking my belief that Jack and Miranda are each other's dark mirrors a bit far, but I like that theory.

[Jackal904]

It's an interesting theory, and one that I think is rather plausible. My version of the theory is that Mr. Lawson was paid by Cerberus to create a child with the sole focus of having as much biotic power as he could give her, then from there Cerberus took the child (Jack) to Teltin and continued their experiments to further increase the Jack's biotic powers.



I'm not saying I subscribe to this theory, it's just my version of it. I will say it would be very interesting to see a cutscene with Jack and Miranda finding out they're "sisters."

[jtav]

That's actually precisely what I was thinking. Cerberus assists Lawson in turning his daughter into an artificial biotic, but demand a child as payment. It would be interesting because Miranda regards herself as having a special responsibility towards Oriana. And I can see Jack wishing desperately for a family, but not daring to admit it. But the only "family" she has is a person she would like to rend limb from limb. It would make for an interesting fic.

[Gethforceone]

That sounds like a good story in the making, but I have to say if Jack and Miranda are related in any way I would be so ticked at Bioware.

[jtav]

I wouldn't want to see it in game, but I'm really tempted to write it. I spent most of my first playthrough wanting to knock their heads together and force them to realize how similar they were as it was.

[Mondo47]

I've got to say I'm not a fan of the whole vat-grown Jack approach; it stops her from having anyone to interact with (save a sense of identification with Miranda, which I guess is neat but not as cool as interactions with strangers), and it's these interactions with others that are making her grow.

Personally, I'd go for the following:

1) Jack was bought as a slave - would mean her parents are probably dead, and would mean that once she discovers that she actually had parents, the Jack that is in touch with her feelings has to deal with the fact that they're gone after efforts are taken to find them (maybe the trail ends at some human bones in a ruined settlement)... will Jack be relieved? Upset? Angry?

2) Jack's parents sold her - this has to be my favorite. Shepard manages to find out where Jack was born, and the trail leads to a family home in some impoverished slum. Shepard and Jack make some casual enquiries and find her parents are still living there. This would lead to some amazing chances to really flesh out Jack emotionally; will Jack want to confront them? Would she get violent, considering they'd be responsible for all the suffering she's been through? Would she discover they thought they were saving her from a worse life? Would she discover they didn't even care (potentially knocking back her process of 'opening up' as her own blood proves her expectations of others). Would she forgive them? Or would she not reveal who she is at all?

3) Jack was kidnapped - snatched off some streetcorner, or otherwise taken by force and eventually sold on to Cerberus because of being born a biotic potential. Once again, the trail leads to a door. Will Jack reveal who she is to her parents? Will there be a welcoming home? Will jack be too afraid to risk the encounter? It's potentially the most soft and fuzzy conclusion to the Jack's Past (and would give a Jack who hasn't romanced Shepard someone to care for other than #1), so I'm not fond of it that much, but it would at least lead to some kind of satisfactory conclusion.