20813 réponses à ce sujet

[Errationatus]

Pacifien wrote...

Oh, I like to think that the Samara romance is still in the pursuit stage, she just doesn't think it is. Shepard will wear down her resolve eventually.  

Let's hope.  Samara is gorgeous in a rather broad sense (as well as physically appealing), and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the older woman and the younger fella.  Teach 'em boys a thang or twenty.

Funny that she took Jacob's romance as comedic effect while Garrus was charming, because I get the impression the writers were going for the opposite effect.

I would hope not.  Taken in a purely platonic sense, Jacob - bro, all the way, no worries.  But, man, that guys needs some coaching or sensitivity traing or sumfin - "A better man than me, not you - Miranda", and the priiize.  Forgeddeaboudit!  My wife's response to that was "I would have laughed him out of my quarters, fab-abs aside."

Garrus is bumbling over his words, bringing the wine, the cheesy music -- completely not sure of how this whole romance thing is supposed to be done.

She found that charming and sweet.  "A pity it'd be like getting laid by a crocodile." was her only hesitancy for Garrus.

Jacob, on the other hand, is asking about Shepard's feelings and telling her he loves her. Just who ever wrote it and whoever voice directed it did it completely wrong. It's comedic by accident.

Unfortunately, accidental or not, just too ridiculous, according to her.

Some people mention the possibility of Jack's romance being just as much a downer as Thane's, if you read into the upgrade information of her biotic implant with the mention of her neural degeneration. However, it somewhat implies that neural degeneration might be a problem for all biotics and doesn't mention that Jack's is particuarly accelerated in any way. And it's not even mentioned within the game dialogue, so it's really a nonissue considering how often the game dialogue and codex entries contradict each other.

Doesn't it also say that in spite of it, Jack is just getting stronger?  What does "neural degradation" imply and how serious would it be?  Impending brain damage?  Or just forgetting a few things?  Technically smoking a cigarette or drinking heavily is "neural degradation", and there are people who can smoke three packs a day, drink a crate of whiskey and live to be ninety.  There are those who just have to be in a room where a cigarette was smoked once upon a time and croak three days later from massive cerebral tumors.  Jack can easily be in the former category.  Personally, I'd think neural degradation is a bit of a grab-bag.

I'm not as familiar with the development of Miranda's romance, but from what I see of all the other romances, what makes Jack's unique is that you will see a side of her that cannot be seen in any other way. In Tali's romance, you know she's cute and adorable and has always looked up to Shepard. In Garrus's romance, you know he's had a rough time of it and could do with having something positive happen for once. In Thane's romance, you know he'd been resigned to death until he met Shepard. In Jacob's romance, you, uh.... hmm. But with Jack's romance, you see someone who never thought she'd care finally learn to care and show she cares. This is a completely different side of Jack that can only be seen with a romance.

Hence my wife wishing that FemShep could have had that.

EDIT: Speelin

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 06 juin 2010 - 07:06 .

[Errationatus]

yorkj86 wrote...

Why only Jack? 

Because in my wife's opinion, Jack is the best romance in the game.  She simply felt that the female Shepard deserved a male version that deep - and if it could have been a boy-Jack, so much the better.   She found the idea interesting, but was not advocating it in any way.   Nor was I.  I was simply attempting to discuss the pros and cons of such a thing theoretically occuring, not whether or not my wife is being shallow and selfish for being curious.

I'm still sensing some self-entitlement.

For whom?  And how did you reach this conclusion in something I could have sworn was blatantly self-evident?

It may be unfortunate to FemShep players who like her, and would like to romance her, that Jack is apparently only romantically attracted to males, but to simply write an archetype, a simple idea for a character, detracts from the character's identity.

Then you've missed what I and my missus were getting at almost entirely.  I'll try and make this is clear as I am able:

Jack, repurposed as a male - romanceable by a female Shepard.  Nothing changed but gender and references to said gender.  Only Jack done this way, because other FemShep romances sucked, and missus considered Jack's the best.  FemShep deserved what ManShep got - deep, meaningful relationship with coolest character.  If no same-sex allowed than make Jack a man.  Problem solved.

That was all.  No self-centred gimmie-gimmie involved.  Just interest in characters and story. 

As a writer, she occasionally gets that way, and I just can't bring myself to dissuade her from it.

[Epantiras]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

And now a little motivator for the Jack fans.

Tada!

*snip*

Awesome

[Rzepik2]

In case it wasn't posted here.
PL voice actress as SuZe, quality... well... isn't bad, only this digitally shaved head looks terrible. Scans from Machina magazine.
http://i.pinger.pl/p...17fae4b449bb9/ 
http://static.machin...na_Page_052.jpg

The truth is only geeks can make real cosplays Curious thing though.

[Mondo47]

yorkj86 wrote...

I don't really think it takes a romance novel author to realize that "But the priiiiize" is a bad way to start an intimate scene.  Just reading the scripting of the scene will do.  Besides, I'm sure there's a lot of completely disposable shlock out there that's better than Jacob's final romance scene, anyway.

I don't know... if they'd added a line or two to it it could have worked even with "the priiize" in there. For me, Jacob wins a lot of extra brownie points for having the only scene where a potential love interest shows a genuine regard for Shepard's emotional state; with almost everyone else (though in some cases rightly so - while she does think about Shep in a keep-out-of-harm's-way kinda sense Jack has to think about number one primarily, Thane's only had number one for so long) it's all me me me me me. If they'd maybe asked a woman (makes me wonder if a guy wrote Femme-Shep) a line that lame might have passed muster and made Jacob look endearing at the same time, and since Hale's reading is a little predatory...

Shepard is sitting in her cabin, biding time before Death comes a'callin'...


Jacob: Shepard? Look at this... like sneaking into the Captain's quarters. Heavy risk, but the prize...

Shepard looks over her shoulder and shoots him a mocking grin.

Shep: I was wondering when you'd get here... so, what's your intention, Jacob?

Jacob: To give the Collectors every kind of hell I can, suicide or not. But until then, I want all the time I can get. Win. Lose. Doesn't matter. I want you.

Shep: (chuckling) Jacob, I know you're heart's in the right place, and we are flying into certain death... but seriously, you should get whatever you paid for that line back.

Jacob: (smiling) Ouch. I'm trying here, but you're a hard woman to read sometimes... a little intimdating, too. A guy just... well, I  -

Shepard hushes Jacob.

Shep: We're on a suicide mission against impossible odds and you're still talking? Don't complicate this. You're going to have to make every minute count Mr Taylor...

Shepard takes Jacob's hands and puts his arms around her. They kiss. Shepard pushes Jacob's arms up and helps him peel off the upper half of his uniform. She trails her fingers down his solid torso, and with a grin steers him backwards across the room to her bed. Shepard pushes Jacob down and settles astride him.

Shepard: ... besides, right now, you're the prize.

Jacob and Shepard kiss. Fade to black.

And that's just off the top of my head. Lesson here - nothing's too cornball or sleazy if Femme-Shep says it

[Pacifien]

Oh Mondo, why won't the developers hire you to write the romance scenes?



Maybe because the Miranda one would have ended in tears and blood, but still...

[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

Rzepik2 wrote...

In case it wasn't posted here.
PL voice actress as SuZe, quality... well... isn't bad, only this digitally shaved head looks terrible. Scans from Machina magazine.
http://i.pinger.pl/p...17fae4b449bb9/ 
http://static.machin...na_Page_052.jpg

The truth is only geeks can make real cosplays Curious thing though.

That's her voice-actress?  They don't look so dissimilar.  That's pretty good.  Is there a translation of the text on that page?

Jerry would not approve of the man-hands, though.  I, myself, am indifferent.

What's PL? And I'm assuming the voice actress we're talking about is not Courtney Taylor? And I agree about the hands, they are beastly.

Are those pictures CGI? Or is it a real person, or is it a bit of both?

[Jackal904]

Hmmm. I wonder how good the voice actors for non-english languages were in ME2. I doubt any of the Jack voice actresses did as good of a job as Courtney Taylor.

[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

Hmmm. I wonder how good the voice actors for non-english languages were in ME2. I doubt any of the Jack voice actresses did as good of a job as Courtney Taylor.

Search on Youtube.  The French voice-actress for Samara does a good job, but she's no Maggie Baird.

EDIT:  Here, Jack speaking Polish:   
The voice-actress makes her sound less harsh, but more...evil, I  guess?  Maybe that's just Polish.

Well that was extremely strange to watch. I'm sure a polish person would find it strange to watch the same scene with Jack speaking english. But now I know how to say "****s" in polish .

Here's the fight between Jack and Miranda with polish VAs. With the polish VAs, Jack sounds a lot older and Miranda sounds younger.

On a side note. It must have taken a lot of extra work to redo the lip syncing of every character for every language.

[Epantiras]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Speaking about non-english languages in the game.  We touched on Jacob and FemShep a little earlier.  I have heard that FemShep does not use the provocative tone with Jacob in foreign languages.  It's only Hale's voice.  So the romance may have a broader appeal to those gamers.

I can assure you that in the Italian version, FemShep DOES use a provocative tone with Jacob 9_9

btw

Italian version of the Jack / Miranda catfight: www.youtube.com/watch

Sheploo sounds terrible, they could not hire the original ME1 voiceactor so they replaced him with someone who usually does the voiceover for TV commercials... Jack sounds ok imo, yet younger and less "femme fatale" than Courtenay Taylor. BTW for some reasons they had her say "I'll smear the walls with you" for a second time instead of "maybe I should show you what Cerberus did to me" (can't remember the exact words).

BTW2: in the Italian version Tali has NO accent! I was shocked to hear her original English vo.

Modifié par Epantiras, 06 juin 2010 - 10:15 .

[StefanBW]

They all sound so relaxed in the Italian version, especially Shepard. If there wasn't any visual I wouldn't even figure there'd be a fight.

[Epantiras]

That's why I re-installed the game and chose the English version ;-)