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[Mondo47]

Pacifien wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
*sees picture*

*facepalms*

See, some romances just don't have broad appeal...

It's late, and I'm cranky, but gods and monsters, some folk take me far too seriously at times. Do I have to start /joke-ing things? I don't feel I should have to explain or efface anything I write, but hey, seems it's that or I'll have people pouring paraquat on my lawn... I'm dreadfully sorry if I've stepped on any toes - for the record, all the characters are lovely but poking fun at them is occasionally entertaining.

As is making movie posters suggesting certain characters are secretly attracted to each other. If this is becoming the land of no-more-fun because it might offend someone (or if people want to outright misunderstand me)... I'm outta here.

[Jackal904]

Epantiras wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Speaking about non-english languages in the game.  We touched on Jacob and FemShep a little earlier.  I have heard that FemShep does not use the provocative tone with Jacob in foreign languages.  It's only Hale's voice.  So the romance may have a broader appeal to those gamers.

I can assure you that in the Italian version, FemShep DOES use a provocative tone with Jacob 9_9

btw

Italian version of the Jack / Miranda catfight: www.youtube.com/watch

Sheploo sounds terrible, they could not hire the original ME1 voiceactor so they replaced him with someone who usually does the voiceover for TV commercials... Jack sounds ok imo, yet younger and less "femme fatale" than Courtenay Taylor. BTW for some reasons they had her say "I'll smear the walls with you" for a second time instead of "maybe I should show you what Cerberus did to me" (can't remember the exact words).

BTW2: in the Italian version Tali has NO accent! I was shocked to hear her original English vo.

Wow and people think the english speaking Shepard VA lacks passion. Man, the italian Sheploo VA sounds like he just woke up from a nap.

[Pacifien]

You can only be an equal opportunity mocker.

But, you know, there does seem to be a strong leaning toward words of support in the character support threads. Don't be hatin', people. Characters need our support.

Anyway, Jack and Miranda do hate each other. They're both ****es. I'd be disappointed if their respective threads didn't awknowledge that and reference it occasionally.

This post contains joking.

[Jackal904]

Nightwriter wrote...

And so once again Nightwriter enters the Jack thread for some good Jack discussions but leaves uncomfortably
upon seeing the Miranda-bashing taking place...

I see no Miranda bashing. I see extremely lighthearted jokes about Miranda, but no bashing. God forbid we have a little fun at the insignificant expense of another character. After all, they are fictional characters. So relax.

Mondo47 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Nightwriter
wrote...
*sees picture*

*facepalms*

See, some
romances just don't have broad appeal...

It's late, and I'm cranky, but gods and monsters, some folk take me far too seriously at times. Do I have to start /joke-ing things? I don't feel I should have to explain or efface anything I write, but hey, seems it's that or I'll have people pouring paraquat on my lawn... I'm dreadfully sorry if I've stepped on any toes - for the record, all the characters are lovely but poking fun at them is occasionally entertaining.

As is making movie posters suggesting certain characters are secretly attracted to each other. If this is becoming the
land of no-more-fun because it might offend someone (or if people want to outright misunderstand me)... I'm outta here.

No, no you don't need /joke tags or anything like that. If people can't have a little fun and pull the stick out of their ass, then they shouldn't come in this thread.

Modifié par Jackal904, 07 juin 2010 - 02:37 .

[royceclemens]

I stand with Mondo as I have since the first. Yeah, we take a potshot here and there, but we do so in the name of laughs, not to hurt anyone's feelings. We Jackolytes are a silly people, but well-mannered and gentle-natured.

[Nightwriter]

Look at you all. Don't you let me come in here and drag you down with that sh*t.

[Jackal904]

Nightwriter wrote...

That's hypocritical...

[Nightwriter]

It is self-effacing.

You took my seriousness more seriously than it seriously was.

Seriously.

[Jackal904]

You were serious. It's too late to hide that.

Just lighten up a bit. We poke harmless fun at every character. There is no need to take things seriously.

Modifié par Jackal904, 07 juin 2010 - 03:06 .

[Pacifien]

So on the page before this, I mentioned there was a particular feeling I had that I could not explain. At least, there was no way I could explain it without coming across as ill-mannered and grumpy-natured. But I can explain it now. I can explain it the way I do people's reactions to various relationships. You only get out of it what you're willing to put into it. Discussion does not magically happen because someone sat down and said "I want discussion. Start discussion for me! Summarize the discussions you've been having for me!"

I could say we've gone long enough without proper discussion about Jack, but honestly, am I to expect then that everyone will tighten the gears of their brains and come up with the greatest essays of Jack, mankind, and tattoos for me? Probably only if someone took my statement as a challenge to do so.

This is why I've had a constant irritation for the character support threads. You get the people who only want to talk about the good things in life. You get the groupthink. You get people who feel obligated to post anything, even if it's one line or a picture that's been shown twenty times already, just in an attempt to keep the thread "alive." You get people saying their support thread is somehow a better thread to be in than another thread. You get conglomeration of topics that could have supported a thread of their own. And, as they are viewed as support threads, you get a collection of fans for the character who are reveling in their zeal for the character.

It's just not my thing, but I go to these threads anyway because if there is an aspect of a character I want to discuss, I take the easy way about it and seek out the people I know are most likely to respond. Then there's always the inevitable pull of the one-liner, the joke, the sarcasm. Fine sometimes if the signal-to-noise ratio is kept in check.

Eventually I will snap, go on a rampage, burn what few bridges I have, declare victory in the battle between me and the Internet, and feel I have conquered my demons. Until the next place, the next time.

Not that it really needs saying, but this post serves no other purpose than a venting of my thoughts.

Modifié par Pacifien, 07 juin 2010 - 03:18 .

[Pacifien]

[Nightwriter]

No, seriously jackal. I was surprised at how seriously you took it, lol.

I do get kind of irritated at Miranda-bashing, cuz I see it happening so much, and the post did reflect that, but not near on the level it was received.

I have never been accused of excessive seriousness before.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 07 juin 2010 - 03:20 .

[Collider]

Pacifien, you're (and anyone) always welcome to have free discussion in the character discussion group.

So far as the current topic goes, Miranda and Jack are aligned against each other in game, to the point where Jack expresses her desire to "tear her apart," so in that context I am not surprised that the thread may "poke fun" at Miranda.

Modifié par Collider, 07 juin 2010 - 03:24 .

[Chaos-fusion]

Pacifen, I can empathise with that.

Pacifien wrote...

*Pic snip*

Holy hamburgers! That's brilliant!

Also, I hope nobody minds me bringing this up (or reading all the responces either, so this could have been said
already in which case I apologise) from a few pages back:

JakeMacDon wrote...

"Well, if the romances for the female version of Shepard are as bad as you say, and the Jack romance so good, then why didn't make a male version of Jack for the FemSheps?", which kinda got me wondering that myself.

Personally, the only parts of Jack that I'd like to see in a male party member would be scars and tattoos, and the casual approach to sex (for different reasons, of course). Hell, even some flirting for the heck of it would be miles better than the bunch of cautious, polite softies we have now. *Shakes a fist*

But a purely male Jack? I honestly don't know how I would feel about that kind of character. *Ponders* But, I doubt they'd ever write a male character with as much vulnerability.. The whole real men don't show their feelings nonsense (Men in games are strong, and tough! Having a guy break down in tears - before implied sex especially! - probably wouldn't do wonders for his popularity amongst the average gamer)

Or maybe I'm just up too late, and am talking gibberish.

[Pacifien]

The group interface on the social network is poorly designed. I get the impression that anyone who does maintain the social network does so in a secondary role to their primary job.

[Pacifien]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Chaos-fusion wrote...
The whole real men don't show their feelings nonsense (Men in games are strong, and tough! Having a guy break down in tears - before implied sex especially! - probably wouldn't do wonders for his popularity amongst the average gamer)

Wouldn't do wonders for a guy to do that in reality either.

Hey, that's exactly what Thane did.

ETA: But anyway, if you get a man who is standoffish at first, I'm not sure how female gamers will really take to it. Then if you break through his barriers to find a very vulnerable and emotional soul underneath, I can already sense the "Gaaaaaay...." and metrosexual condemnations. I'm sure claims the guy is whining will also make there way into the argument.

So a direct translation of Jack into a male character would be... problematic. But the theme of Jack's romance can be carried over to a male character. You have someone whose led a traumatic life, doesn't trust anyone, has closed himself off to the friendship of others. And then you have Riddick. But can you imagine a Riddick-like character trying to tell Shepard how vulnerable he feels deep down inside? Only if there was a very good writer at the wheel. So not the person who wrote Jacob's romance.

Modifié par Pacifien, 07 juin 2010 - 03:37 .

[Collider]

I like the group because I can discuss the characters in neutral territory.

[Collider]

Pacifien wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Chaos-fusion wrote...
The whole real men don't show their feelings nonsense (Men in games are strong, and tough! Having a guy break down in tears - before implied sex especially! - probably wouldn't do wonders for his popularity amongst the average gamer)

Wouldn't do wonders for a guy to do that in reality either.

Hey, that's exactly what Thane did.

I don't think Thane broke down though.

[Nightwriter]

Whadaya gonna do, Pacifien. As it is the groups are the best we've got right now for that kind of thing.

Also, I cannot even imagine a male Jack. I cannot imagine Jack being anything other than Jack, as she is now. I couldn't change her, not even in my mind.

[Chaos-fusion]

Pacifien wrote...

Hey, that's exactly what Thane did.

Ha, so he did! I had forgotten about Thane. That's how much of an impact his romance left on me.