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yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@Collider
@york
I not talking about a Jack character re-purposed as a male. Exactly what chaos said and some of what I touched on earlier. A human LI, and preferably a bad boy hunk with a sense of humor.

Hm.  Joker?    Is that grasping at straws?    He has the physique to be the bad boy, just...not the bone-mass (derp).  I know for certain there are female ME players who find Joker to be attractive.

Joker is not a bad boy. He's just really snarky. Atton, Garrus, Thane, and Zevran would be good example of bad boys. Note that their bad boy vibe is tied to their professions. Atton is a smuggler/assassin, Garrus is a vigilante, Thane is an assassin, and Zevran is an assassin. There are also women who wanted Canderous, Zaeed, and Sten. They have all have the bad boy thing going on.

[SpiderFan1217]

yorkj86 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

Yeah I've seen people call Thane a whiner and an "emo." Like suffering from a terminal disease that gives him a few months to live isn't reason enough to complain once in a while. And having your wife killed.

It's rediculous how loosely people use the word "whiner" and "emo." Like no reason is good enough to complain. "Oh your entire childhood consisted of being tortured and experimented on? Suck it up you baby!"

And I hate the word "emo." AFI is emo, no one from Mass Effect 1 or 2 is emo.

"Emo", "hipster" and "neckbeard" all apply to all of the people an individual does not like.  They have lost all meaning, and refer to nothing in particular.  They have no internal description.

No one in  ME1 or ME2 is emo.

Actually, I think all of those people are funny. I try to be friends with them if only for the lulz.

[Collider]

Yes but apparently most females find neither physically attractive. And Garrus's romance consists of 2 or 3 conversations and then the romance scene before the suicide mission. ME2 needed a human male squadmate that wasn't as serious as Kaiden and Jacob. Someone with a sense of humor. Someone like Allistair. (I know I'm guna get crap for saying that /images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png)

Fair enough. However many women didn't like Kaidan or Jacob. With that in mind, I would not be surprised if the majority of women went for Garrus or Thane in ME2. I cannot say that conclusively however.



I liked Alistair. A lot of women liked him too. And as you said, it's tied in part to his humor. Humor is a huge part of his character after all. Take that away and Alistair isn't Alistair anymore.

[Pacifien]

Chaos-fusion wrote...
*snip*
Personally, I'd like to see someone attempt
it. Just out of curiosity. And since I've never watched anything with
riddick, I'm afraid I cannot make any connections there. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie] ... Must
go watch something with this Riddick fellow..

Watch Pitch Black. Forget about its sequel. As a bonus, you'll see what was likely one of the inspirations for Jack in the movie as well.

[SpiderFan1217]

Collider wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@Collider
@york
I not talking about a Jack character re-purposed as a male. Exactly what chaos said and some of what I touched on earlier. A human LI, and preferably a bad boy hunk with a sense of humor.

Hm.  Joker?    Is that grasping at straws?    He has the physique to be the bad boy, just...not the bone-mass (derp).  I know for certain there are female ME players who find Joker to be attractive.

Joker is not a bad boy. He's just really snarky. Atton, Garrus, Thane, and Zevran would be good example of bad boys. Note that their bad boy vibe is tied to their professions. Atton is a smuggler/assassin, Garrus is a vigilante, Thane is an assassin, and Zevran is an assassin. There are also women who wanted Canderous, Zaeed, and Sten. They have all have the bad boy thing going on.

You know someone who want Zaeed as an LI?

[Collider]

I've seen a few women who wanted Zaeed.

[SpiderFan1217]

Pacifien wrote...

Chaos-fusion wrote...
*snip*
Personally, I'd like to see someone attempt
it. Just out of curiosity. And since I've never watched anything with
riddick, I'm afraid I cannot make any connections there. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png ... Must
go watch something with this Riddick fellow..

Watch Pitch Black. Forget about its sequel. As a bonus, you'll see what was likely one of the inspirations for Jack in the movie as well.

Pitch Black
The Chronicles of Riddick: Dark Fury
The Chronicles of Riddick

[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

Yeah I've seen people call Thane a whiner and an "emo." Like suffering from a terminal disease that gives him a few months to live isn't reason enough to complain once in a while. And having your wife killed.

It's rediculous how loosely people use the word "whiner" and "emo." Like no reason is good enough to complain. "Oh your entire childhood consisted of being tortured and experimented on? Suck it up you baby!"

And I hate the word "emo." AFI is emo, no one from Mass Effect 1 or 2 is emo.

"Emo", "hipster" and "neckbeard" all apply to all of the people an individual does not like.  They have lost all meaning, and refer to nothing in particular.  They have no internal description.

No one in  ME1 or ME2 is emo.

Since learning of the term "neckbeard" from this thread a while back, I have found the term quite valid since from my experiences it has been 100% accurate . Everyone I know with a bearded neck has fit the definition of a "neckbeard" exactly.

[SpiderFan1217]

Collider wrote...

I've seen a few women who wanted Zaeed.

Some weman do find scars attractive, I guess.

EDIT: Typo

Modifié par SpiderFan1217, 07 juin 2010 - 04:29 .

[Chaos-fusion]

Pacifien wrote...

Watch Pitch Black. Forget about its sequel. As a bonus, you'll see what was likely one of the inspirations for Jack in the movie as well.

Ah, I shall do so, thank you.

[Pacifien]

I wanted Sten as a LI.



But yeah, I have seen... Zaeed/FemShep fanfic. And Zaeed/MaleShep fanfic. There is no going back.



I also rather liked Atton Rand. Other love interests, any sort of checkered past they might have had gets glossed over and the writers concentrate on showing you only their good side. Atton Rand knows he's done bad, tells you how bad that was, and then struggles with the idea of doing good. Not to mention I like pazaak. And he had a biting sense of humor, that's always a plus.



Come to think of it, I wonder if Atton Rand is the closest I've seen to a Jack equivalent romance. But that wasn't even done by Bioware, so maybe it doesn't count.

[SpiderFan1217]

Pacifien wrote...

I wanted Sten as a LI.

But yeah, I have seen... Zaeed/FemShep fanfic. And Zaeed/MaleShep fanfic. There is no going back.

I also rather liked Atton Rand. Other love interests, any sort of checkered past they might have had gets glossed over and the writers concentrate on showing you only their good side. Atton Rand knows he's done bad, tells you how bad that was, and then struggles with the idea of doing good. Not to mention I like pazaak. And he had a biting sense of humor, that's always a plus.

Come to think of it, I wonder if Atton Rand is the closest I've seen to a Jack equivalent romance. But that wasn't even done by Bioware, so maybe it doesn't count.

lol, Zaeed/maleShep fic.

[Collider]

Atton was the closest, but they're still worlds apart.



Shame Atton didn't really have a romance. Mira didn't either. They were both interesting. Instead of Mira there was boring handmaiden and boring disciple.

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
Atton was the closest, but they're still worlds apart.

Shame Atton didn't really have a romance. Mira didn't either. They were both interesting. Instead of Mira there was boring handmaiden and boring disciple.

Their personalities are different, but I think the themes of Jack's romance can be applied to Atton Rand. He's had the dark past and he's put barriers up to prevent anyone from getting close. Once you break past those barriers, you almost get the romance. But not quite. Because KOTOR II just had to rushed out the door. Bastards.

I wonder if there will ever be a day when I finally get the KOTOR II mod that allows me to see the Atton Rand/Sion confrontation. From what I've read about it, it's almost like Jack's own death scene where she tells Shepard she wasn't supposed to care.

The Disciple... <_< Couldn't kill him fast enough in the current Hurt or Heal game in the off-topic forums.
"Well, good thing it's not a trap!"
"No, Atton! I think it is a trap!"
"Will you lighten up for one second?"

God, I was so mad when my Light Side status put me more in the Disciple's favor over Atton's. That enough should have sent me to the Dark Side.

[Collider]

I wonder if there will ever be a day when I finally get the KOTOR II mod that allows me to see the Atton Rand/Sion confrontation. From what I've read about it, it's almost like Jack's own death scene where she tells Shepard she wasn't supposed to care.

I'm fairly certain the mod has already been released. I've downloaded it and am currently playing through the intensely boring Peragus (which hasn't been edited by the mod).



Atton tells the exile that he loved her the moment he saw her.

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
Atton tells the exile that he loved her the moment he saw her.

Ah, I can see the conversation between Shepard and Jack as they talk about each others first impressions.

"You took out three YMIR mechs and I knew you were the kind of gal I wanted to have at my side for the rest of my life."
"I thought you were a p*ssy."

Modifié par Pacifien, 07 juin 2010 - 04:58 .

[Epantiras]

yorkj86 wrote...

This is for you, Epantiras:

Patrick
whistles like a bird.  Spongebob looks at him.
Spongebob: "I didn't
know you speak Bird, Patrick."
Patrick: "Nah, Spongebob, that's
Italian."

yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I can't find anything for Samara's Italian VA. It must have been nothing special.

Reveal video, don't know who the VA is though.

Ooh, I like that VA.  Her voice is very calm and composed, but commanding, just like Maggie Baird's voice.

I really liked her Italian VA, she made Samara sound calm, composed, commanding AND DAMN SCARY.


However, once I heard Jack's original VA, there's no turning back. Miss Taylor did an awesome job. And damn, I played Kotor, I had Juhani in my party from the moment I recruited her YET I could not recognize her voice actress!

[Alexine]

Epantiras wrote...

However, once I heard Jack's original VA, there's no turning back. Miss Taylor did an awesome job. And damn, I played Kotor, I had Juhani in my party from the moment I recruited her YET I could not recognize her voice actress!

Courtney Taylor did Juhani in KOTOR? My approval rating for Juhani went up by 1.

And I just finished playing Alpha Protocol, but Taylor is also in it VO-ing as Scarlet Lake. You can quite tell it's her, since she speaks exactly like Jack, minus the swearing. The first time I heard Scarlet in AP, I went "That's Jack?"

Modifié par Alexine, 07 juin 2010 - 09:35 .

[Epantiras]

I did another Italian/English comparision and I've discovered that the translation is ok BUT for some weird reasons, a part of Jack and Miranda's catfight is TOTALLY DIFFERENT!



Original:

"The cheerleader won't admit that what Cerberus did to me was wrong"



Italian:

"She's pround of the sh*t that Cerberus is doing. Proud!"



WTF? And it gets worse later:



Original

"You have no idea what Cerberus put me through, maybe it's time that I show you"



Italian

"I'm following Shepard's orders, not yours. I'll smear the walls with you, everyone will be grateful for this"



WHAT THE H- IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS??? I'm sure they MEANT to alter the translation because in the other parts of the game it is very accurate. Why did they do that??

[Errol Dnamyx]

Maybe it´s for lip syncing reasons?

I don´t like it either when the translation just decides to change dialogue.

[Collider]

The gist is about correct though.

[Jackal904]

Epantiras wrote...

I did another Italian/English comparision and I've discovered that the translation is ok BUT for some weird reasons, a part of Jack and Miranda's catfight is TOTALLY DIFFERENT!

Original:
"The cheerleader won't admit that what Cerberus did to me was wrong"

Italian:
"She's pround of the sh*t that Cerberus is doing. Proud!"

WTF? And it gets worse later:

Original
"You have no idea what Cerberus put me through, maybe it's time that I show you"

Italian
"I'm following Shepard's orders, not yours. I'll smear the walls with you, everyone will be grateful for this"

WHAT THE H- IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS??? I'm sure they MEANT to alter the translation because in the other parts of the game it is very accurate. Why did they do that??

That second italian line is especially stupid. I don't like Jack blatantly saying she's following Shepard's orders. She'll say she'll help him with his mission or that she's at least got his back in a fight, nothing like, "I do whatever Shepard orders." Plus the confrontation is supposed to be about what Cerberus did to Jack, so the english version of the second line makes much more sense.

[Rzepik2]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Maybe it´s for lip syncing reasons?
I don´t like it either when the translation just decides to change dialogue.

Nah, I read an article about ME translation, there's separate program for lip sync in ME, so it's not a problem. In theory.


Jack is quite good in polish version, but overall voiceacting is really bad. BioWare's games localization quality became much worse since EA PL took over.
I wonder if there's a top quality ME2 voiceacting in language other than english...

Modifié par Rzepik2, 07 juin 2010 - 01:51 .

[Collider]

Jackal904 wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

I did another Italian/English comparision and I've discovered that the translation is ok BUT for some weird reasons, a part of Jack and Miranda's catfight is TOTALLY DIFFERENT!

Original:
"The cheerleader won't admit that what Cerberus did to me was wrong"

Italian:
"She's pround of the sh*t that Cerberus is doing. Proud!"

WTF? And it gets worse later:

Original
"You have no idea what Cerberus put me through, maybe it's time that I show you"

Italian
"I'm following Shepard's orders, not yours. I'll smear the walls with you, everyone will be grateful for this"

WHAT THE H- IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS??? I'm sure they MEANT to alter the translation because in the other parts of the game it is very accurate. Why did they do that??

That second italian line is especially stupid. I don't like Jack blatantly saying she's following Shepard's orders. She'll say she'll help him with his mission or that she's at least got his back in a fight, nothing like, "I do whatever Shepard orders." Plus the confrontation is supposed to be about what Cerberus did to Jack, so the english version of the second line makes much more sense.

I think it's more so Jack telling Miranda that the only person she would ever listen to on the Normandy would be Shepard - so Miranda should get off her case.