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[Epantiras]

yorkj86 wrote...

Wow, Jack's so angry she broke the page!

Grunt: "Jack's small"


EDIT: damn, I got the first post of the page, so my comment makes no sense now

Modifié par Epantiras, 09 juin 2010 - 09:45 .

[axl99]

I just remembered something funny when I saw that screencap.



Miranda and Jack share the same texture map for eyelashes.

[Pacifien]

axl99 wrote...
I just remembered something funny when I saw that screencap.

Miranda and Jack share the same texture map for eyelashes.

Omigod, you don't think that perhaps they're from the same genetic stock and they're, like, totally sisters, do you?

[axl99]

Like, ohmigosh, that'd be, like, SO freaky.

[Pacifien]

One thing I imagine Jack and Miranda have in common is that, in their youth, they probably looked at any contemporaries with disdain. Neither probably had any semblance of a childhood.

[axl99]

Yeah, I think both are victims of having to "grow up" quickly. I dunno about Miranda, but Jack tried to make a connection with people now and then.

[Pacifien]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Oh my gosh! *twirls hair* Like, no way! *chews bubble gum* Like, gag me with a spoon.

Get my Shepard with the bright read hair, the dark lipstick, extra dark mascara and eyeshadow. Take Miranda and Jack out for b*tches night out. Kick JohnnyDollar's ass.

Modifié par Pacifien, 10 juin 2010 - 02:14 .

[drunken pyromaniac]

Pacifien wrote...

Just for you, I will break my long-standing rule not to acknowledge hellos and goodbyes in a thread in order to give you a proper welcome.

So what is it about Jack that appeals to you most? I actually don't romance her, she's just the Yin to my Shepard's Yang. Wait, that doesn't sound right at all...

Sorry I'm so slow to respond, something came up unexpectedly.


It's kind of complex for me. Of course, Bioware did a fantastic job on the character design, intricate tattoos and in my opinion the most beautiful face they've created yet.

It really comes down to her background, personality, and the slow breaking down of barriers you see over the course of the game for me. I've never been teribly big on the "tsundere" archtype before, I chose Dawn Star over Silk Fox, Leliana over Morrigan, and I took a while to warm to Bastila. Now of course none of these characters fall strictly into tsundere territory but I'm just using it as a point of reference of sorts. Jack for some reason appealed to me though

I liked uncovering those hints of the person beneath her shell, those little instants when she drops her guard. How beneath all the walls she puts up she's just a deeply hurt and scarred person. I sympathize with her view of people and the world, while of course going through nothing as bad as she has, my own experiences have made me wary as well. Her talks on the Normandy are what makes the romance for me though, how the barriers slowly fall and you come to see how she's come to where she is now fascinates me.

[Pacifien]

I think some people find breaking down the barriers isn't worth it, that you're falling into someone's emotional baggage. Which I actually think is somewhat true, Jack's been traumatized enough that even if she does find happiness with Shepard, she'll constantly be waiting for the other shoe to drop. Shepard just has to convince her that sometimes it's worth the risk to enjoy what they have now. And depending on where you want to go with it, everything turns out fine for them in the end. Bumpy road along the way, though.

Of course, if you see me post enough, you'll come to realize that I don't do the happily ever afters, so this is just my warning for anyone having the romance discussion with me.

But beyond romance, Jack's complex emotions are her biggest draw. And the eyes and lips, but I'm not shallow, no! I totally am about Jack's personality! Her ability to run the gamut of emotions is very much like Mordin's ability to run the gamut of consequences, and they both allow Shepard to see how deeply they go with both. I appreciate that about the two of them.

But more than that, when you do get to see Jack's fractured core, it's not like she suddenly has a revelation and becomes a totally different person around you and around other people. Shepard might influence her somewhat to be a better person, but that doesn't mean she's going to be having friendly chats with Miranda any time soon.

[Jackal904]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Just for you, I will break my long-standing rule not to acknowledge hellos and goodbyes in a thread in order to give you a proper welcome.

So what is it about Jack that appeals to you most? I actually don't romance her, she's just the Yin to my Shepard's Yang. Wait, that doesn't sound right at all...

Sorry I'm so slow to respond, something came up unexpectedly.


It's kind of complex for me. Of course, Bioware did a fantastic job on the character design, intricate tattoos and in my opinion the most beautiful face they've created yet.

It really comes down to her background, personality, and the slow breaking down of barriers you see over the course of the game for me. I've never been teribly big on the "tsundere" archtype before, I chose Dawn Star over Silk Fox, Leliana over Morrigan, and I took a while to warm to Bastila. Now of course none of these characters fall strictly into tsundere territory but I'm just using it as a point of reference of sorts. Jack for some reason appealed to me though

Yeah I have a huge weakness for the tsunder types too. There's just something about tough badass chicks showing emotion that gets me everytime.

This is offf topic but I think I'm almost done with my first playthrough of DA:O, and I have never run into this Leliana girl. I'm at the part where my party, that url guy, and Loghain had that meeting before having some big battle. And I got some message saying that I've recruited everyone I can at this point, but I have never met or heard of Leliana. Anyone want to enlighten me? Have I just not encountered her yet?

[drunken pyromaniac]

You need to recruit Leliana in the tavern in Lothering before completing any of the main questlines. Otherwise, darkspawn burn the place down.

[Jackal904]

Pacifien wrote...

I think some people find breaking down the barriers isn't worth it, that you're falling into someone's emotional baggage. Which I actually think is somewhat true, Jack's been traumatized enough that even if she does find happiness with Shepard, she'll constantly be waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Thats just a part of her romance. If that's not you're thing then don't romance her. If someone doesn't want to deal with as much baggage as Jack has, there are two other LI's (three if you count Samara) that they can romance.

Her baggage is what draws me in. It adds depth and complexity.

But more than that, when you do get to see Jack's fractured core, it's not like she suddenly has a revelation and becomes a totally different person around you and around other people. Shepard might influence her somewhat to be a better person, but that doesn't mean she's going to be having friendly chats with Miranda any time soon.

And I wouldn't want it any other way. It would be silly for her to suddenly be relieved of all her issues after a few weeks, when all those issues have been developing since she can remember. Getting Jack to open up is still a work in progress even after you romance her. And I think it's best that way. Not only is it more realstic, but it leaves room for further development of her character in ME3.

[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

She dead, Jackal, she dead. If you didn't get her in Lothering before it was attacked, she dead.

Well damn. That's kind lame that you have to go there right away or she dies. That's pretty easy to miss her.

[Pacifien]

The only thing that would irk me about people bringing up the whole emotional baggage is if they felt that it was somehow Shepard's job to "fix" Jack. Hell no. Jack will fix her own emotional baggage, it's just nice to have someone like Shepard by her side to help her realize all the effort she puts into herself is worth it to somebody.



Oh yeah, and if you missed picking up Leiliana, does that mean you missed out on grabbing Sten, too?

[drunken pyromaniac]

Pacifien wrote...

I think some people find breaking down the barriers isn't worth it, that you're falling into someone's emotional baggage. Which I actually think is somewhat true, Jack's been traumatized enough that even if she does find happiness with Shepard, she'll constantly be waiting for the other shoe to drop. Shepard just has to convince her that sometimes it's worth the risk to enjoy what they have now. And depending on where you want to go with it, everything turns out fine for them in the end. Bumpy road along the way, though.
Of course, if you see me post enough, you'll come to realize that I don't do the happily ever afters, so this is just my warning for anyone having the romance discussion with me.

Fair enough, despite being an angry, bitter, misanthrope I'm a sucker for happy endings. I'm tired of crappy sad endings put in for drama.

Pacifien wrote...
But beyond romance, Jack's complex emotions are her biggest draw. And the eyes and lips, but I'm not shallow, no! I totally am about Jack's personality! Her ability to run the gamut of emotions is very much like Mordin's ability to run the gamut of consequences, and they both allow Shepard to see how deeply they go with both. I appreciate that about the two of them.
But more than that, when you do get to see Jack's fractured core, it's not like she suddenly has a revelation and becomes a totally different person around you and around other people. Shepard might influence her somewhat to be a better person, but that doesn't mean she's going to be having friendly chats with Miranda any time soon.

I agree, her complexity is a big draw for me. I also like how she's changing somewhat too, we'll have to wait till ME3 to see exactly how much but I still like how that angle was handled. I don't think I ever see her as winning the nicest person of the year award but I think she is regaining some faith in humanity through Shepard and the crew. Now, if she's not romanced, who knows where she'll end up.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 10 juin 2010 - 04:17 .

[Pacifien]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...
*snip*
Now, if she's not romanced, who knows where she'll end up.

She'll stick around because Shepard takes her to the best parties. Plus, my Shepard is the Yang to her Yin.

Shepard tends to be a rather forceful personality. I think it's only a matter of time before people start thinking subconsciously "what would Shepard do?"

[drunken pyromaniac]

Pacifien wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...
*snip*
Now, if she's not romanced, who knows where she'll end up.

She'll stick around because Shepard takes her to the best parties. Plus, my Shepard is the Yang to her Yin.

Shepard tends to be a rather forceful personality. I think it's only a matter of time before people start thinking subconsciously "what would Shepard do?"

I meant where she would end up mentally and emotionally wise but yeah, I figure she'll stick around till the defeat of the Reapers.

I can totally seen a meme starting up around "what would Shepard do."

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 10 juin 2010 - 04:39 .

[Jackal904]

Pacifien wrote...

Oh yeah, and if you missed picking up Leiliana, does that mean you missed out on grabbing Sten, too?

No I got Sten.

[Pacifien]

If she stuck around Shepard long enough, on a ship full of people who aren't out to use and abuse her, I think given enough time she'll develop some trust for those around her, but she won't realize she's developing that way. And it's not the same level of trust as she could have if she romanced Shepard. With a romance, she is very consciously aware that someone is making her question who she is, what she's becoming, and what she can be in the future.

I take the difference as I would with my own friendships and romances. I can trust my friends, fight for my friends, but that kind of trust is somehow altered by romantic involvement. I'm not sure how to explain it.

[Pacifien]

Jackal904 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Oh yeah, and if you missed picking up Leiliana, does that mean you missed out on grabbing Sten, too?

No I got Sten.

Bah, you're absolutely fine then.

[axl99]

During Jack's reveal trailer I was pretty much hoping she was the tragic type who had already dealt with her baggage and was so resigned to accepting what her past turned her into that she would openly joke about it. I didn't get as much complexity as I'd have liked in a Hannibal Lecter kinda way. Jack resisting the severe side effects of biotic implants and proactively trying to find a purpose for herself beyond simply killing to survive is a surefire sign of her inner strength that I thought should've been further built upon.

For me liking happy endings completely depends on the kind of happy ending. Jack got hers in a small moment of solace that there was someone looking out for her. If the outlaw colony was any indication, she'd be the type to return a favour for those who had unquestioningly taken her in. Because she's quite familiar with emotional stress, she'll be able to tell if Shepard's straining underneath his mantle of "hero of the galaxy" and treat him like a normal person [as normal as Jack thinks is normal anyway].

Modifié par axl99, 10 juin 2010 - 04:47 .

[drunken pyromaniac]

Pacifien wrote...

If she stuck around Shepard long enough, on a ship full of people who aren't out to use and abuse her, I think given enough time she'll develop some trust for those around her, but she won't realize she's developing that way. And it's not the same level of trust as she could have if she romanced Shepard. With a romance, she is very consciously aware that someone is making her question who she is, what she's becoming, and what she can be in the future.
I take the difference as I would with my own friendships and romances. I can trust my friends, fight for my friends, but that kind of trust is somehow altered by romantic involvement. I'm not sure how to explain it.

Very true, I haven't thought about it that way, I've been hanging around too many people saying how there's no character development if Shepard doesn't romance her, I guess.