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[gneissguy2003]

Bumping for Jack justice.

[Jackal904]

Seraphael wrote...
Jack isn't crazy per say. She's more of a free spirit...with a massively violent mean streak.

Lol that's a nice way to look at it... sorta.

[royceclemens]

The First Lady of Chatoic Neutral. She does what she does. Sometimes it's for the best... Sometimes it ain't.

[Epantiras]

I'd also like to add that she doesn't fit in any of the "standard Bioware character roles", she's quite unconventional.

By saying "standard Bioware character roles" I means something like this: Jacob's role is the same of Kaidan, Miranda's role is the same of Ashley, Tali is the cute young girl like Mission of Kotor, Samara reminds me of Wynne and so on.

[Seraphael]

Epantiras wrote...

I'd also like to add that she doesn't fit in any of the "standard Bioware character roles", she's quite unconventional.
By saying "standard Bioware character roles" I means something like this: Jacob's role is the same of Kaidan, Miranda's role is the same of Ashley, Tali is the cute young girl like Mission of Kotor, Samara reminds me of Wynne and so on.

She certainly is far from the usual stereotypes, but she reminds me a bit of Viconia DeVir, the exiled drow priestess in the Baldur's Gate series.

Modifié par Seraphael, 03 mars 2010 - 10:20 .

[BobbyTheI]

Seraphael wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

I'd also like to add that she doesn't fit in any of the "standard Bioware character roles", she's quite unconventional.
By saying "standard Bioware character roles" I means something like this: Jacob's role is the same of Kaidan, Miranda's role is the same of Ashley, Tali is the cute young girl like Mission of Kotor, Samara reminds me of Wynne and so on.

She certainly is far from the usual stereotypes, but she reminds me a bit of Viconia DeVir, the exiled drow priestess in the Baldur's Gate series.

Heh, was about to write a post saying the same thing:  the girl who's been treated like crap since as long as she can remember, kinda evil but with a hint of possible redemption, who's easy to get into the sack but harder to get her to fall in love with you.  Oddly enough, I never really got all that into Viconia (maybe because I was a die-hard Jaheira shipper back then), but Jack is definitely the most interesting LI in this game.

[Mondo47]

BobbyTheI wrote...

Seraphael wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

I'd also like to add that she doesn't fit in any of the "standard Bioware character roles", she's quite unconventional.
By saying "standard Bioware character roles" I means something like this: Jacob's role is the same of Kaidan, Miranda's role is the same of Ashley, Tali is the cute young girl like Mission of Kotor, Samara reminds me of Wynne and so on.

She certainly is far from the usual stereotypes, but she reminds me a bit of Viconia DeVir, the exiled drow priestess in the Baldur's Gate series.

Heh, was about to write a post saying the same thing:  the girl who's been treated like crap since as long as she can remember, kinda evil but with a hint of possible redemption, who's easy to get into the sack but harder to get her to fall in love with you.  Oddly enough, I never really got all that into Viconia (maybe because I was a die-hard Jaheira shipper back then), but Jack is definitely the most interesting LI in this game.

In all my plays through the two Baldur's Gate games, no-one but that ridiculous excuse for a knight Anomen was interested in getting in my pants. Naturally, I told him to drop dead... there's desperate and desperate. I think I must have been misreading some of those dialogue options...

Romance - ur doin it rong

[BobbyTheI]

Mondo47 wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...

Seraphael wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

I'd also like to add that she doesn't fit in any of the "standard Bioware character roles", she's quite unconventional.
By saying "standard Bioware character roles" I means something like this: Jacob's role is the same of Kaidan, Miranda's role is the same of Ashley, Tali is the cute young girl like Mission of Kotor, Samara reminds me of Wynne and so on.

She certainly is far from the usual stereotypes, but she reminds me a bit of Viconia DeVir, the exiled drow priestess in the Baldur's Gate series.

Heh, was about to write a post saying the same thing:  the girl who's been treated like crap since as long as she can remember, kinda evil but with a hint of possible redemption, who's easy to get into the sack but harder to get her to fall in love with you.  Oddly enough, I never really got all that into Viconia (maybe because I was a die-hard Jaheira shipper back then), but Jack is definitely the most interesting LI in this game.

In all my plays through the two Baldur's Gate games, no-one but that ridiculous excuse for a knight Anomen was interested in getting in my pants. Naturally, I told him to drop dead... there's desperate and desperate. I think I must have been misreading some of those dialogue options...

Romance - ur doin it rong

Yeah, it's a shame: modders found that both Haer'Dalis and Valygar were supposed to be romanceable, but got cut due to time.  And the one guy they DID leave as a romance ended up being the most insufferable of the lot.

At least female heroes don't get shorted like they do in the old days.  I just wish I found the male love interests in ME2 interesting enough to do their romance tracks.  Never got the appeal of Garrus (I do like his lines in the second game, but as a romance?  I dunno), and Jacob and Thane don't really jump out at me either.  Maybe they're like Jack, and have a really good conversation hidden deep into their romance storylines, but I'm not rushing to do it.

[Mondo47]

Jaheria was the one who's husband got experimented to death, yeah? Even when I tried to be the Ultra-Douche (which you'd have to be, face it) and attempted to catch her on the mortality rebound... no dice. Just that ****** with his rose...



Headdesk.

[BobbyTheI]

Mondo47 wrote...

Jaheria was the one who's husband got experimented to death, yeah? Even when I tried to be the Ultra-Douche (which you'd have to be, face it) and attempted to catch her on the mortality rebound... no dice. Just that ****** with his rose...

Headdesk.

Well, nobody "crossed over" like in other BioWare games, so if you were playing a female Bhaalspawn, then Sir Doucheicus is the only option.  But nowadays, there's plenty of mods to make the ladies play for the other team.

And I always rationalized it by thinking that, with all the travel times and resting to memorize spells and stuff, the entire plot of BG2 probably took months.  But... yeah, even with that amount of time, she does get over the dead husband mighty quickly.

Just falls into the BioWare tradition of "protagonists so sexy, everybody wants to jump their bones, even somebody who lost their spouse a few weeks ago." 

[Mondo47]

BobbyTheI wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

Jaheria was the one who's husband got experimented to death, yeah? Even when I tried to be the Ultra-Douche (which you'd have to be, face it) and attempted to catch her on the mortality rebound... no dice. Just that ****** with his rose...

Headdesk.

Well, nobody "crossed over" like in other BioWare games, so if you were playing a female Bhaalspawn, then Sir Doucheicus is the only option.  But nowadays, there's plenty of mods to make the ladies play for the other team.

And I always rationalized it by thinking that, with all the travel times and resting to memorize spells and stuff, the entire plot of BG2 probably took months.  But... yeah, even with that amount of time, she does get over the dead husband mighty quickly.

Just falls into the BioWare tradition of "protagonists so sexy, everybody wants to jump their bones, even somebody who lost their spouse a few weeks ago." 

Nah, I mean I was playing male in that instance and deliberately trying to get a romance going. I just sucked at that game... killing monsters, no worries. Getting laid, ****y poetry and ****ing roses. Pass the cyanide. It is kinda traditional that heroes are catnip for anything, but sometimes it borders on Greek myth... the way the Gods would screw just about anything with a hole. Hey, look, Zeus is here - King of the Douches

Incidentally, the conversation has gone in exactly the same direction in the 'Why can't I talk to Jacob without coming off like a total hooer?' thread. I've advocated Jacob as the lesser of two idiots... at least you don't get the idea he might hang himself if you told him it was a sympathy **** afterwards.

Actually, that's a thought... Anomen! I loooove flowers! >

[BobbyTheI]

Mondo47 wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

Jaheria was the one who's husband got experimented to death, yeah? Even when I tried to be the Ultra-Douche (which you'd have to be, face it) and attempted to catch her on the mortality rebound... no dice. Just that ****** with his rose...

Headdesk.

Well, nobody "crossed over" like in other BioWare games, so if you were playing a female Bhaalspawn, then Sir Doucheicus is the only option.  But nowadays, there's plenty of mods to make the ladies play for the other team.

And I always rationalized it by thinking that, with all the travel times and resting to memorize spells and stuff, the entire plot of BG2 probably took months.  But... yeah, even with that amount of time, she does get over the dead husband mighty quickly.

Just falls into the BioWare tradition of "protagonists so sexy, everybody wants to jump their bones, even somebody who lost their spouse a few weeks ago." 

Nah, I mean I was playing male in that instance and deliberately trying to get a romance going. I just sucked at that game... killing monsters, no worries. Getting laid, ****y poetry and ****ing roses. Pass the cyanide. It is kinda traditional that heroes are catnip for anything, but sometimes it borders on Greek myth... the way the Gods would screw just about anything with a hole. Hey, look, Zeus is here - King of the Douches

Incidentally, the conversation has gone in exactly the same direction in the 'Why can't I talk to Jacob without coming off like a total hooer?' thread. I've advocated Jacob as the lesser of two idiots... at least you don't get the idea he might hang himself if you told him it was a sympathy **** afterwards.

Actually, that's a thought... Anomen! I loooove flowers! >

Hee hee.  You would have LOVED Saerileth.  A hideous NPC mod with an underage girl as a romantic interest (and pages of justification for how, "Well, it's the dark ages, and it wasn't pedo back then!), who spoke in faux-Olde English and, if you broke up with her in a particularly vicious way, actually DIES OF A BROKEN HEART.

No, I've never played it.  I've just heard stories.  Very, very scary stories.

[Mondo47]

Faux Olde English?

"'Tis cold in my tent this night."

"Get a thicker blanket. No, seriously. Get a thicker ****ing blanket you creepy *****."

Since we're in the character-comparison-half-hour (and this comparison seems popular to some in other threads), at least with Jack you never felt like you were selling humanity down the river for the sake of getting your oil changed... I'd rather do Alistair, and he was almost as tragic in the chat-up stakes as Anomen... licking lampposts, honestly...

If I keep banging my head on this desk...

[Lackey_Liesmith]

Mondo47 wrote...

Faux Olde English?

"'Tis cold in my tent this night."

"Get a thicker blanket. No, seriously. Get a thicker ****ing blanket you creepy *****."

Oh... seriously? I thought Morrigan was one of the most enjoyable NPC's in Bioware games history. Until Jack.
But changing the subject. I haven't looked in this thread for awhile and after skimming through it I'm amazed.
We got troll!
A real one
And it mobilized SuZe supporters to post.
What a wicked way to help Jack's cause than to revitalize this thread.
I stand in awe.

Modifié par Lackey_Liesmith, 03 mars 2010 - 02:12 .

[Jackal904]

Lackey_Liesmith wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

Faux Olde English?

"'Tis cold in my tent this night."

"Get a thicker blanket. No, seriously. Get a thicker ****ing blanket you creepy *****."

Oh... seriously? I thought Morrigan was one of the most enjoyable NPC's in Bioware games history. Until Jack.
But changing the subject. I haven't looked in this thread for awhile and after skimming through it I'm amazed.
We got troll!
A real one
And it mobilized SuZe supporters to post.
What a wicked way to help Jack's cause than to revitalize this thread.
I stand in awe.

Haha ya it turned out quite nice. And very ironic.

But anyway, I found Morrigan kind of annoying. Nice to look at, but annoying. She would **** every time I did something nice for someone, and the way she talks is really annoying. But she is pretty funny sometimes. I always have her in my party though even though Wynne is more useful. I would rather have an annoying hot chick in my squad than some boring old wrinkly woman.

Modifié par Jackal904, 03 mars 2010 - 02:39 .

[royceclemens]

We're loyal. Plus I think the majority of us are grownups. That helps, too.

[Lackey_Liesmith]

royceclemens wrote...
Plus I think the majority of us are grownups.

Now, why would you say that? Isn't the fact that many people don't remember classics like Planescepe: Torment, Baldurs Gate or that Fallout 3 (which is not Fallout in my eyes) isnt't first fallout game, enough to make me feel like old geezer?

[royceclemens]

Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and make a bold prediction from what I've seen on this thread.



How many people here are Gen X-er kids of the nineties? Ex-grungers and former punkers who knew someone like Jack or (Saints preserve us) WERE someone like Jack? War-torn refugees from an era where a sneer and a bad attitude were a badge of honor?



(Oh, and bonus points if you had a Nirvana "From the Muddy Banks of the Wiskah" t-shirt)



::raises hand::



Christ, no wonder this thread is so tiny. We all have jobs.

[Nastrod]

I was a metalhead so more bands like Slayer, Iron Maiden, etc so not really grudge but I did know many females that were in ways similar to Jack from the broken childhood to the tough attitude. I always figured most people that did like Jack could on some level relate to her.

I think the reason the thread is so tiny though is this is not used as facebook for the weird.  I kinda stopped going to the Tali thread when someone said he likes to imagine his wife wearing the Tali helmet or a few of them talking about what Shep's and Tali's baby would look like with little hearts.

Modifié par Nastrod, 03 mars 2010 - 06:00 .

[Mondo47]

I'm the wrong side of thirty, so my early days of hitting the tiles were dominated by hair metal... though I always had a thing for Billy Idol, and Wendy James and/or Siouxsie Sioux (when you're young you're allowed to, apparently ). I had a lot of old-school punk in me, mainly from the crowd I hung with at college, and I will confess to shaving the sides of my head a couple of times and then making the rest stand up as near straight as I could. I knew a few 'scary' girls, not that any of them really were once you got to know them... the crowd I rotated in was made up of people that Jack could have blended in with appearance-wise, but emotionally they were all so well-balanced and normal it made nights out pure pleasure; no angst, no violence, no pressure, no judgement. I miss that crowd sometimes.

I'll confess to liking dressing up in the very early 90's... I went out once dressed as Alex deLarge (I still have my bowler hat!) and one time wearing nothing but bracers and a German officer's cap above the waist (I'd just seen The Night Porter for the first time - go figure...).

I also have a lot of photos of nights out that my kids will never, EVER see

[adriano_c]

royceclemens wrote...

Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and make a bold prediction from what I've seen on this thread.

How many people here are Gen X-er kids of the nineties? Ex-grungers and former punkers who knew someone like Jack or (Saints preserve us) WERE someone like Jack? War-torn refugees from an era where a sneer and a bad attitude were a badge of honor?

(Oh, and bonus points if you had a Nirvana "From the Muddy Banks of the Wiskah" t-shirt)

::raises hand::

Christ, no wonder this thread is so tiny. We all have jobs.

Stop making me feel old!

Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised to discover fans of the character are on average a "bit" older than, say, those of 'Tali' or 'Miranda'.

[Mkrgross]

I'm a grunger, punk rocker, and married a Goth Girl, sooo...



Probably why I like Jack so much.

[Ultai]

Just your average 24 yr old white guy here, can't say I've hung out with punkers or anything of that sort. Listen to all kinds of music, do tend to like industrial metal though, so I don't think that has much to do with me liking Jack.

Modifié par Ultai, 03 mars 2010 - 06:33 .

[Epantiras]

Aaah I didn't want to turn this conversation into a character comparison topic!! My bad!



... or did I want to do it?

[Anoleis]

I think its more about tastes than age. Some like vanilla, some like chocolate, I happen to like fried eggplant ice cream.



Not as many people like it, but those that do LOVE their fried eggplant ice cream.