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[LiquidGrape]

Never mind. I don't.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 14 juin 2010 - 12:47 .

[Jackal904]

Epantiras wrote...

Oh noes, the visor covers her eyes :-( that's one of my favourite expressions of her in the game, it's like talking a look at the scared girl she keeps hidden under her walls. Ugh, badly written but I hope it makes sense :-)

Yeah I hate that visor so much.

BioWare: Alright so this character Jack has amazing eyes and a very expressive face. What should we give her for her new outfit? Oh I know! A visor that covers half her face that blocks both of those amazing features! Hurr Derp!

[Mondo47]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Never mind. I don't.

It made perfect sense to me, don't fret

[didiware]

I want Jack as a LI for femsheps, I really liked her and was gravely dissappointed when I found out she wasn't. I hope they fix that for ME3. My one and only maleshep is so boring, will not due at all. Anyone else with me on that?

[Pacifien]

didiware wrote...
I want Jack as a LI for femsheps, I really liked her and was gravely dissappointed when I found out she wasn't. I hope they fix that for ME3. My one and only maleshep is so boring, will not due at all. Anyone else with me on that?

I am totally with you on that.

Not every Jack fan is going to be, but that's why Samara says in a room of three humans, there will be six different opinions.

[Pacifien]

zvbxrpl wrote...
I've always gone with the obligatory question: "What is your favorite flavor of dinosaur?"

/silliness

A silly question is always a must. But what inquiring minds really want to know is Cake or Pie?

If she responded with the cake is a lie, geeks would swoon everywhere.

[didiware]

yorkj86 wrote...

didiware wrote...

I want Jack as a LI for femsheps, I really liked her and was gravely dissappointed when I found out she wasn't. I hope they fix that for ME3. My one and only maleshep is so boring, will not due at all. Anyone else with me on that?

This comes up often.  Don't you think it's possible that Jack could simply have a preferene for males?

Ofcourse she's got a preferance, she even explains that she's not into females. I'm just voicing a wish and sharing some Jack-admiration. She's one of my favourite characters  in the ME universe no matter what happens in ME3.

[zvbxrpl]

didiware wrote...

I want Jack as a LI for femsheps, I really liked her and was gravely dissappointed when I found out she wasn't. I hope they fix that for ME3. My one and only maleshep is so boring, will not due at all. Anyone else with me on that?

Honestly, the strongest argument against that pairing is fairly valid, in it's way.  The argument would be that Jack would be too much of a bisexual bad girl who goes both ways not out of preference, but out of transgression.

But, and this is a big but (and no, we're not suddenly talking about Miranda), the lack of same-sex romances in ME2 is, well, a pretty big omission that, furthermore, breaks with all the latest other Bioware games.  I kind of suspect they thought the people who came to ME2 for shootan gaems couldn't handle it.  If I were going to put in same-sex romance, I would use the female LIs in DA:O as a good way to not be stereotypical.  For those who don't know, the morally suspect queen b*tch (Morrigan) was unambiguously straight, while the deeply religious princess of twee (Leiliana) was the bisexual one.

I guess that logic would place Tali as the LI for FemShep in ME2, then.  That would bring a whole new element of creepy to certain segments of Tali fandom, though...

[Pacifien]

I remember watching Buffy and the character Willow went to the lesbian side. There was that moment of "Wha-? Bu-?" And I never did like that she had to go full on lesbian instead of bisexual, but people did point out that sometimes that's how homosexuality eventually comes out. So to speak.

But I can understand people insisting rather strongly that having any previous female love interest suddenly be willing to romance a female Shepard would seem like a considerable retcon. It would only work if the writers specifically addressed the issue on why the person wouldn't romance you before but suddenly is open to the idea in ME3. Even then, I can see the complaints. Ah well.

I wonder if the developers would put in a homosexual romance in ME3 by fan demand. But there's a thread somewhere about that, so let me see if I can return the discussion to Jack....

I think it would be great if a female Shepard could romance Jack.

Okay, I fail.

[zvbxrpl]

I agree that Jack's sexuality really shouldn't be retconned, especially seeing as her past probably implies a "tried it, didn't like it," when it comes to sex with women.



That being said, calling ME a glorified dating sim is so far off the mark that I have no problem just ignoring the people who get all butthurt about romances being present.

[Jackal904]

I've never seen so many people disappointed that a character wasn't bisexual. I guess it's a good thing. I can understand why female gamers would want a femShep/Jack romance. Their heterosexual options aren't exactly great, and I can see how females would be drawn to Jack's character. But I don't know why male gamers would want one except for "soop3r h4wt girl on girl action!!1"

yorkj86 wrote...

As I said before, Jack states outright
that she doesn't play for the girls' team. A sudden retcon in ME3 would
play right in to the hands of the series' critics who claim that it's
just a glorified dating sim.

Exactly. Can people not accept that she simply isn't a lesbian? Heterosexuality is the norm after all. And suddenly making her bisexual in ME3 would be a blatant retcon and it would scream fanservice.

On a different topic,
Here's a list of 10 questions I've compiled. I think 10 questions is enough.

1) What description were you given about Jack's character?
2) What was your reaction when you found out you were voicing a badass
chick that's covered in tattoos and has a shaved head?
3) Were you able to find Jack's voice quickly or did you have to experiment
with a few different types of dialects and enunciations before it
sounded right?
4) Jack has quite a few emotional scenes. Was it difficult to nail that
perfect tone for those scenes?
5) Were you able to hear the lines of other characters while you were recording lines?
6) Have you seen a lot of footage of Jack with your voice attached?
7) How do you feel about the about the end result of the character Jack? Is there anything you would change about her?
8) Did you do voice work for other characters in the game?
9) *I can't think of a ninth question*
10) And last but not least, cake or pie?

I tried to avoid directly asking her anything too deep. But I left questions general enough so that she could discuss things deeper if she wants to.

Modifié par Jackal904, 14 juin 2010 - 05:38 .

[zvbxrpl]

Jackal, I basically agree with everything you said. However, on behalf of my sociologist buddies, I have to inform you that using "norm" to describe something that is simply statistically to be expected can have unfortunate implications. Namely, these would be that, in a lot of theory, "norm" implies that it is the most healthy option as well as the most common. I know what you mean, though, and I'm sure you don't think gay people are unhealthy. Just on the off chance that you ever write a scholarly paper on ME romances, you may want to avoid the discussion with your prof where they ask you if you mean what it sounds like you mean.



/college boy pedantry

[LiquidGrape]

[Removed due to idiocy]

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 15 juin 2010 - 04:56 .

[Epantiras]

didiware wrote...

I want Jack as a LI for femsheps, I really liked her and was gravely dissappointed when I found out she wasn't. I hope they fix that for ME3. My one and only maleshep is so boring, will not due at all. Anyone else with me on that?

Femshep's dialogue with Tali is like talking to a friend while Miranda's starts as "professional business" and then later developes into respect / maybe friendship. Jack's dialogue instead is written as if it is leading from mistrust to romance, not friendship, probably because her dialogue is identical for both femshep and
maleshep (except for the casual sex part). And I just realized her dialogue progression reminded me a little of Carth's "I don't trust you" relationship with female Revan 9_9 (I'm not saying she's a whiner!!!)
On my first playthrough I checked the wiki twice because I *knew* Jack was not a LI for femshep but her dialogue seemed to point towards a romance.

zvbxrpl wrote...
I guess that logic would place Tali as the LI for FemShep in ME2, then.  That would bring a whole new element of creepy to certain segments of Tali fandom, though...

OH NOES!!!
The bad thing is that following Bioware's logic, Tali is most likely to become the bi-chick. Remember: Bioware bi-chicks are cute, feminine and NEVER appear on the videogame cover.

[Epantiras]

Dev1: "A Jack/Femshep romance? But everyone will say that she's a stereotyped character!"

Dev2: "Yes, but the priiiize!"

Dev1: "You're fired"

[Andaius20]

NOOOOOO! /vader scream

[zvbxrpl]

Oh, dude, don't compare Jack to Carth. Jack is cool. Carth had me shouting "What do you MEAN there aren't any lesbians in Star Wars!" during my female Revan playthrough.

[LiquidGrape]

yorkj86 wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

I don't think anyone would suggest Jack is homosexual. It's established. She isn't. What isn't established however is whether she swings both ways.

[Snip]

Did you deliberately omit my latter point?
Retcon implies a factual basis for the altered continuity. Jack's dismissal is ambiguous at best. If written right, I can see Jack opening up to a female Shepard in ME3. And I don't think I'm alone in that theory either.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 14 juin 2010 - 06:51 .

[royceclemens]

I've said it before, but elsewhere, so I'll say it again. Including same-sex romance in ME3 is nothing but a good move. Word of this gets out, there's a new demographic BioWare can exploit. A lucrative one, as a gay couple, nine times out of ten, equals two incomes and no kids.



So much disposable income, in fact, that not only will gay gamers buy the game, but the t-shirt, the action figures, the keychains, the mood rings, the holistic mud-idols and anything else EA can think of to slap the ME brand name on. Gays are so marginalized that they will throw money at practically anything that thought of them in order to see more stuff like it. This is one of the few areas in this crapsack little world where being tolerant can turn a dime. And EA and BioWare are gonna come back and essentially say they're afraid of making some extra coin? WE'RE IN A RECESSION, DAMMIT!



Furthermore, it's not like a TV show or a movie where there's no other choice for squeamish straight people to watch something so innocuous as two women or two men kissing in mortal fear of their wrists going limp. It's a game. If Person A wants a same-sex romance, they can trigger it. If Person B doesn't, then they don't have to.



/rant



As for Jack being bi? Eh, why the hell not? Wouldn't change my opinion of the character either way. Plus there's no statute of limitations on when people can find those things about themselves, so it'll still be plausible.

[The Uncanny]