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[Collider]

Hmmm...would be strange seeing Jack with hair. They would probably make her look good with it, but the shaved head is still iconic for me. Also, Epantiras, your art is awesome and funny

[drunken pyromaniac]

I'm not in favor of her growing hair, really. It has some unfortunate implications that she's getting better just because someone loves her. Not to mention it's wrong to say there is something wrong with her just because of her appearence.

[Jackal904]

Collider wrote...

Hmmm...would be strange seeing Jack with hair.

[Gethforceone]

Man, the Jack thread has been dead lately.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Gethforceone wrote...

Man, the Jack thread has been dead lately.

Still better than the Ash thread post-Wooing.

[Gethforceone]

yorkj86 wrote...

Gethforceone wrote...

Man, the Jack thread has been dead lately.

What's better, rarely active or used-as-a-chatroom?

It depends on the quality of the chats that go on in said chatroom.

Modifié par Gethforceone, 17 juin 2010 - 07:31 .

[Gethforceone]

Ah! I see what you're getting at.

[Ghost Lightning]

The Jack thread is usually pretty slow. What we need is a topic that doesn't involve Jack's sexuallity or sending awesome interview e-mails to Jack's VA.

[Jackal904]

Gethforceone wrote...

Man, the Jack thread has been dead lately.

We're active when someone comes up with something related to Jack to discuss. We do not treat our thread like a chat room. So until someone comes up with something about Jack to discuss, activity here will remain slow. And I have no problem with that. We are not racing to boost our page count. This is a thread to discuss anything Jack related. It is not a chat room.

[Jackal904]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

I'm not in favor of her growing hair, really. It has some unfortunate implications that she's getting better just because someone loves her. Not to mention it's wrong to say there is something wrong with her just because of her appearence.

She was designed without hair, and looks best that way I think.  Longer hair just doesn't seems to fit. 

However, I am curios about you're statement though.  How would growing hair imply that one is getting better?  And how would getting better imply that one is loved? 

I read someone say that her shaved head was to push people away, but after romancing Shepard she doesn't need to do that anymore, therefore she should grow her hair out. It makes some sense, but I just prefer her with a shaved head. And maybe just she kept the shaved head because it's low maintanence . Thinking about it from Jack's point of view, Shepard was interested in her even though she had a shaved head, so obviously he likes it or doesn't mind it, so why should she grow her hair out? It's not like Shepard went up to her and said, "I'll romance you but you have to grow you're hair out."

But like I've said before, I prefer that she keeps the shaved head, but if BioWare were to give her short hair that still looked good, then I would be fine with it.

[drunken pyromaniac]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

I'm not in favor of her growing hair, really. It has some unfortunate implications that she's getting better just because someone loves her. Not to mention it's wrong to say there is something wrong with her just because of her appearence.

She was designed without hair, and looks best that way I think.  Longer hair just doesn't seem to fit. 

However, I am curios about you're statement though.  How would growing hair imply that one is getting better?  And how would getting better imply that one is loved? 

You have my point reversed, I think. She's growing and becoming less extreme, therefore, some want her to grow hair. I think this is somewhat wrong to expect her to alter her appearence just because she's changing. I probably worded it oddly.

[Gethforceone]

Jackal904 wrote...

Gethforceone wrote...

Man, the Jack thread has been dead lately.

We're active when someone comes up with something related to Jack to discuss. We do not treat our thread like a chat room. So until someone comes up with something about Jack to discuss, activity here will remain slow. And I have no problem with that. We are not racing to boost our page count. This is a thread to discuss anything Jack related. It is not a chat room.

I'm not saying we should just start posting every little thing that comes to mind, and really this is just me being somewhat annoyed that I alway manage to drop by after some big 4-5 page debate. It just seems like I have the worst timing.

[drunken pyromaniac]

yorkj86 wrote...

To be shown compassion and caring in a galaxy she is convinced is filled with people who care only for themselves would be a beneficial existential crisis for her.  Being loved doesn't guarantee that she will get better, but it will certainly be beneficial, if rough at times.

Of course not, I'm not saying that someone caring about her is a cure-all or anything. Don't get me wrong. I'm just speculating from the character growth we've seen so far.

[Jackal904]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

To be shown compassion and caring in a galaxy she is convinced is filled with people who care only for themselves would be a beneficial existential crisis for her.  Being loved doesn't guarantee that she will get better, but it will certainly be beneficial, if rough at times.

Of course not, I'm not saying that someone caring about her is a cure-all or anything. Don't get me wrong. I'm just speculating from the character growth we've seen so far.

Yeah I understand what you mean. She should positively change somehow in ME3 if you romance her. I still want her to be the foul mouthed badass we all know and love. The only change in her that I want to see in ME3 is that she'll know that she has someone that cares about her, and that she's with a group of people that she can feel comfortable and safe around that aren't out to take advantage of her.

[drunken pyromaniac]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

If the opinion is strickly based on her attitude changing, and therefore her hair should be longer, then that would be shallow, and dare I say EMO'ish of the person holding that opinion.  The person holding that opinion sounds to be overly judgmental of a person's mental state strickly based on appearance.

Also, all of this is operating under the assumption that Jack's loyalty mission was completed, and that she was Paragon romanced in ME2. 

I agree, I was simply making a statement in response to Collider (who by no means am I accusing of being shallow). I suppose I went of on a tangent about the people who suggest that Jack should grow her hair out as a method of measuring Jack's character growth.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 17 juin 2010 - 09:05 .

[drunken pyromaniac]

Jackal904 wrote...


Yeah I understand what you mean. She should positively change somehow in ME3 if you romance her. I still want her to be the foul mouthed badass we all know and love. The only change in her that I want to see in ME3 is that she'll know that she has someone that cares about her, and that she's with a group of people that she can feel comfortable and safe around that aren't out to take advantage of her.

I agree, perhaps her showing a little bit more of compassion for others. We see a hint of this in ME2 and it seems like it would be an effective method of conveying character growth in ME3 without coming off as some sort of message against people who have an alternate appearence. You know?

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 17 juin 2010 - 09:07 .

[axl99]

Now that we were sorta on the topic of Jack's haircut, how about we speculate crap out of the cult she was in? Even if they did use her in the end, the cult meant enough to her to keep a tediously high-maintenance hairstyle. This isn't a matter of her looking cool or intimidating, I mean look at those overly precise patterns at the back of her head - that's gotta be a b!tch to get down right once let alone multiple times.

[Side note: My family owns a hair salon, we get customers now and then who love to be adventurous with their hair..]

I kinda liked the tiny bit of fuzz Jack had in her CGI trailer. Wouldn't mind if she grew an extra few millimeters of hair for ME3. Hair fuzz is awesome to run your hands through.

*cough

Going by Mondo's idea that Jack never understood the things that happened to her as a child when she was a child, I'd like to think the cult gave Jack an emotional compass, or some sort of morality guideline.

Modifié par axl99, 17 juin 2010 - 11:52 .

[axl99]

Blur tends to do their own little revisions on character designs and schematics that have been sent their way. I mean lookit what they did with Morrigan and Leliana in the Dragon Age trailers. Just pure aesthetics.



They just re-modeled Jack to look a lot more realistic and glammed her make-up a tad by giving her more eye shadow and black lipstick. Throw in their custom shaders and well placed lighting, and there we go.



I trust a cult to be consistent in their marketing/branding if they're acquiring followers and keeping the ones they already have. I also trust a cult to grow into an extortion racket as soon as they have the means provided for them.