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[Gethforceone]

aamy wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

aamy wrote...

I'm not sure to which comic you are referring. But certainly if an artist draws something in a comedic frame of mind I would appreciate the light-heartedness of it. Whereas if the art is supposed to represent a character in not only likeness but affect then I would expect it to be appropriate in that sense as well. When it doesn't incorporate the true essence of the character, it is sort of like taking its soul out to me, and I cannot appreciate it as much. However, do not be alarmed, I'm told I do have a somewhat crass sense of humor at times too

From our very own Epantiras:

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That was delightful

Indeed.

[Epantiras]

Gethforceone wrote...

aamy wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

From our very own Epantiras:

http://epantiras.dev...llery/#/d2pds3q

EDIT: Formatting woes.

That was delightful

Indeed.

Thanks ;-)

People, have you seen the 8 page long comic "Incursion" uk.comics.ign.com/articles/110/1100605p1.html
Even if it doesn't add much to the story (and had me laugh at overpowered Aria) do you think that there's a chance of more short comics like that, maybe squad-mates-centered? I.e. the fabled Jack comic we were speculating about before?

Modifié par Epantiras, 22 juin 2010 - 09:08 .

[Mondo47]

yorkj86 wrote...

What part of Jack's life would you want to see in short comic form?

This might sound horrible, but I'd like to see the worst parts; Teltin and the years after it. Communicating that kind of emotional horror and pathos in a comic is notoriously difficult; one one hand it can come off as voyeuristic, seedy or outright sadistic, or on the other it can preach like a very-special-episode-of whatever, but if it's got right... the lowly funny book can leave you in ruins. It's really rare that it works, but it would be one hell of a challenge for a writer. Phoebe Gloeckner did it with A Child's Life and The Diary of a Teenage Girl (both of which are heartbreaking and shockingly graphic... if you intend to check them out, be careful... first time I browsed one I stood for a half-hour like I was gawping at an accident and ended up bailing out of the comic shop before I brought my lunch back up or burst into tears), so maybe someone could do the same thing for Jack (granted, it would be massively tempered by the sci-fi setting, and not have to be anywhere near as explicit as Gloeckner's work for instance) but it would make a good emotional story (something of a rarity in mainstream comics these days), a 'real' set of subjects (medical ethics, child abuse, etc.) and above all it would really show the audience - some of whom still don't understand why she is the way she is - why Jack became Jack. It'd probably be hella unpopular because it was too serious a subject matter, but hey, sci-fi shouldn't be just pew-pew lazors and weirdly-banking spaceship dogfights. Maybe I just want a moment of Jack catharsis too much to see it objectively.

Though if you wanted a more upbeat story... upsetting the Hanar. It required some planning, so let's see it. Plus the payoff is assured to be fun

[stormrain]

yorkj86 wrote...

Wow, that was really all pointless.  It doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know.

Anyway, a series of short comics for each character would be great.  It would be like EU.

What part of Jack's life would you want to see in short comic form?

The only the thing I found interesting in the whole mini-comic was the human population list at the end. That was it.

I'd want to see...

Jack blowing a crater into the hanar moon with the space station she hijacked.

[Jackal904]

yorkj86 wrote...

From our very own Epantiras:

http://epantiras.dev...llery/#/d2pds3q

EDIT: Formatting woes.

That's one of my favorites .

Mondo47 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

What part of Jack's life would you want to see in short comic form?

This might sound horrible, but I'd like to see the worst parts; Teltin and the years after it.

I agree. It sounds bad, but the worst parts are usually the most interesting. Plus I so very much want to see actual scenes of her when she was a kid at Teltin. For me that's like the holy grail of witnessing Jack's past. Her time at Teltin was the most influential part of her life. So if they show anything from Jack's past, they've got to show that.

I would also really like to see her while she was spending time on Purgatory before Shepard went there. Stuff with the cult, the outlaw colony, and the hanar moon would also be interesting to see. But her time at Teltin and Purgatory are the two most interesting ones to me.

The thing with Murtock would make for a very emotional scene. I don't know how well sadness can be conveyed in a comic though. I'd prefer all this stuff I've mentioned be in some ME2 DLC or in ME3. I'm not a fan of comics and I doubt I'd even be able to take a comic of Jack's history seriously. On the other hand I felt the same way about fanfics until a few months ago. But if it's not a Jack fanfic I couldn't care less about it. I'd probably be the same way with comics.

Modifié par Jackal904, 22 juin 2010 - 04:55 .

[Gethforceone]

yorkj86 wrote...

What about Jack losing Murtock? That might make for a good, depressing short comic.

This is what I want to see.

[axl99]

If they make a comic, I wanna be the one colouring it!



[Well it's what I've done professionally on the side anyway...]

[Epantiras]

Mondo47 wrote...
It'd probably be hella unpopular because it was too serious a subject matter, but hey, sci-fi shouldn't be just pew-pew lazors and weirdly-banking spaceship dogfights. Maybe I just want a moment of Jack catharsis too much to see it objectively.

Though if you wanted a more upbeat story... upsetting the Hanar. It required some planning, so let's see it. Plus the payoff is assured to be fun

Hey, you've just described the Redemption comic book series :innocent:
/sarcasm

I guess that the whole Murtock thing could be a great comic, but I doubt it will be ever chosen by Bioware because it's meant to be a "surprise", the ultimate personal secret that Jack doesn't want you to know (or at least it's my impression).
Being practical, I can imagine a "becoming Jack" comic with a in-media-res start like Jack escaping Purgatory, then a two pages flash back about her past starting with Teltin (one panel for each "story", like crashing the space station on the hanar moon and so on), then back again to the escape scene. Bah, this comic would be as boring as hell 9_9 never hire me as comic writer.

[Mondo47]

Actually... I just had an idea that might work for the story I would like to see told... might be able to get a lot of Jack background into it... eight pages, you say?

Let me think on it. I'll write a comic script and pop it in my blog, mebbe... hmmm, need to think on this one

Modifié par Mondo47, 22 juin 2010 - 07:21 .

[Gethforceone]

Mondo47 wrote...

Actually... I just had an idea that might work for the story I would like to see told... might be able to get a lot of Jack background into it... eight pages, you say?

Let me think on it. I'll write a comic script and pop it in my blog, mebbe... hmmm, need to think on this one

Sounds good.

[Epantiras]

Mondo47 wrote...

Actually... I just had an idea that might work for the story I would like to see told... might be able to get a lot of Jack background into it... eight pages, you say?

Let me think on it. I'll write a comic script and pop it in my blog, mebbe... hmmm, need to think on this one

I'm tempted to ask your permission to draw a comic from your script, but I know I'm a lazy ass and will probably never find time to do it v_v

[Jackal904]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...
catharsis

"No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity."
"But I know none, and therefore am no beast."

RICHARD III - WILLIAM SHAKESPEAR

And that means?

I day dreamed in english class.

[royceclemens]

Jackal904 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...
catharsis

"No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity."
"But I know none, and therefore am no beast."

RICHARD III - WILLIAM SHAKESPEAR

And that means?

I day dreamed in english class.

I would imagine, given the lack of context I have, is that beasts can be forgiven for acting beastly.  Pitied, if you will.  But as Richard has known no pity, he is something greater... Or much, much worse.

[Errationatus]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

LADY ANNE

Villain, thou know'st no law of God nor man:
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity.

GLOUCESTER

But I know none, and therefore am no beast.


This is my take on it:
Lady Anne:  You know of no law of God or man.  Even a fierce beast knows a touch of pity, which you don't have.  If there is a creature which knows no touch of pity, then it is not a beast.

Gloucester:  (He agrees)But I know no touch of pity, therefore I am not a beast. 

Which as royce alluded to:  He is probably worse than a beast.  Or greater, I am not quite sure.  In the context of the movie, I am not quite sure either.  Maybe it is suppose to be vauge and interpreted in a couple of ways.  Which is nothing new, especially I think, when talking about Shakespear material.

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Well,  in the play, Richard kills everyone in his way to become king, his wife, his nephews, his own brother.  Beasts, in comparison to Richard, do not, as a rule, kill their own.  Richard has no compunction.  The beasts know pity and Dick knows none. 

It's a definite insult (you are worse than any beast) and Richard is basically replying that he doesn't give a crap. 

I mean, c'mon, his mother told him to his face that she wished nothing for him but utter ruin, and his sister-in-law called him a 'bottled spider'.  He had no fans.   

[Errationatus]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@Jake
And what about in the context of the movie?  He saved those two in the car behind him by cutting them loose, but he takes the warden and himself to their deaths.

Simply my opinion, of course: 

Well, an argument could have been made that if he could surf the engine to his doom, he could have easily cut the engine loose and let the warden buy it alone.   That notwithstanding...

Richard III -  His last speech in the play:

"Slave, I have set my life upon a cast,

And I will stand the hazard of the die:

I think there be six Richmonds in the field;

Five have I slain to-day instead of him.

A horse! a horse! my kingdom for a horse!"

Oscar:

"I am free, Rankin.  I am free.  Win, lose, what's the difference?"

"What about that punk and the girl?"

"No, no!  It's just you and me!"

It wasn't about dying for Richard or for Oscar (who, like Richard, has no redeeming qualities), they didn't care about that - as both probably knew it was certainly inevitable - it was about having control over how they died.  Saving those two on the train was just incidental.  It wasn't mercy, not really.  From the sense I got, it would be (given Oscar's character) more paying a debt than actually giving a damn whether either lived.

For Richard it was for the chance to kill Richmond, even if he failed.  For Oscar, it was a chance to kill the man he hated, even if he died to do it. 

For both, however, it had to be on their terms, fatalistic bent or no.

In an odd way, I would suppose that both are achieving an odd state of catharsis shortly before their demises, but it seems a rather extreme way to go about it.  Jack certainly achieved it in her breakthrough in summoning the courage to go to Shepard, but I don't think I would compare either Dick or Oscar to her.

I may be missing something, however.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 22 juin 2010 - 11:41 .

[BobbyTheI]

Gethforceone wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

What about Jack losing Murtock? That might make for a good, depressing short comic.

This is what I want to see.

You know, the one question I've been dying to know about regarding Jack's past: who exactly was Murtock?  What sort of guy was he, and how did he end up partnering with Jack?  If I could get one story from Jack's past, it would be the whole story of their meeting, their time running together, and the ending.  If only to see how he managed to work his way past her defenses, and get to the point where he was planning to settle down with her.

[stormrain]

BobbyTheI wrote...

You know, the one question I've been dying to know about regarding Jack's past: who exactly was Murtock?  What sort of guy was he, and how did he end up partnering with Jack?  If I could get one story from Jack's past, it would be the whole story of their meeting, their time running together, and the ending.  If only to see how he managed to work his way past her defenses, and get to the point where he was planning to settle down with her.

I'd really like to see that as well. Though another thing is her personal timeline. We've all discussed Jack's age to the moon and back and have pretty much agreed to the rough estimate of 20-25. Seeing as she's fairly young, I want to know how long she and Murtock must have been running together and how long it was before Purgatory and the Collector mission.

Or maybe the rough order in which all the known stories we have of her past take place. From her escaping Teltin to winding up in Purgatory. Anyone got any guesses?

Really Offtopic: for some reason whenever I see 'Murtock', it seems goofy and I want to replace it with Murdock. Does anyone have that issue? Or am I just strange and OCD?

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 23 juin 2010 - 02:15 .

[Jackal904]

BobbyTheI wrote...

Gethforceone wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

What about Jack losing Murtock? That might make for a good, depressing short comic.

This is what I want to see.

You know, the one question I've been dying to know about regarding Jack's past: who exactly was Murtock?  What sort of guy was he, and how did he end up partnering with Jack?  If I could get one story from Jack's past, it would be the whole story of their meeting, their time running together, and the ending.  If only to see how he managed to work his way past her defenses, and get to the point where he was planning to settle down with her.

I don't know if Murtock got past her defenses like Shepard did. I think that just him saying that he loved her, was enough for her to feel as hurt as she did when he died. When she got that message she probably thought, "He... loved me?" And even though her relationship with him may not have seemed as genuine as with Shepard, just knowing that someone cared about her was enough to emotionally crush her when that person died.

[drunken pyromaniac]

I  would like to see a bit of expansion on Murtock and Jack's story together as well.
@Captain Uccisore: LOL I do the exact same thing when I see Murtock!

I always figured Murtock was some sort of criminal she fell in with who turned out not to be that bad of a guy. I got the impression there was a relationship before he died, thus allowing time for Jack to develop enough feelings to be as upset as she is about it. Though I could see it being more like how Jackal904 envisions it.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 23 juin 2010 - 02:33 .