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Into the Bad Girl: Jack Fans

Débuté par Average Gatsby , févr. 05 2010 03:24

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 02:48

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Finding out more about Murtock would tell us a lot about who Jack is, maybe just as much as her loyalty mission and the final romance scene.

Murtock might have been running with Jack for a while.   I hadn't thought about that.  Was Murtock to Jack what Keiji was to Kasumi?    Jack doesn't tell us much about him at all, and I think that's one reason I find her "mysterious past"  to be so engaging.  There's a lot there to go with, if the writers wanted to.

As for whether or not Murtock was special to Jack, I don't know.  He would have needed to get past Jack's barriers, of course (funny that Jack doesn't have Barrier).  I have mixed feelings.  If Murtock did get past Jack's barriers, then that makes Shepard not quite so special by himself, though that's not to say that he's not special to Jack.  By that I  mean, it gives the same sort of satisfaction that also comes from Samara turning Shepard down.  It means Shepard isn't supremely and solely significant.

From what we're given, we just can't tell that much about Murtock, except that he was special enough to Jack to cause her to become temporarily emotionally vulnerable in front of Shepard.

EDIT:  Rephrased some stuff.

Modifié par yorkj86, 23 juin 2010 - 03:20 .

#9127
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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 03:30

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I had figured Murtock simply opened Jack's eyes. She wouldn't let herself care for him, wouldn't let herself care for anyone. Then she learns that even if she closes herself off to others, it's not going to stop them from caring about her in return.

She pays closer attention to the next guy who shows interest in her, sees someone else starting to care for her even though she tries to push him away. Rather than let another Murtock situation happen, she takes the next step and awknowledges that Shepard cares. After that first step, the other steps become a bit easier.

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 03:34

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The Murtock thing peaks my interest as well. Given that backstory is exactly that, a certain amount of interpretation on behalf of the audience is needed. Like a Rorschach test, we see what we want to see.



But what makes most sense to me, given what I know about her, I think she had her nose to the grindstone about being as bad as she wanted to be. If life was crappy to her, she was dead-set on being crappy right the hell back, so much so that she had blinkers on, blotting out anything that didn't confine to the narrow worldview that everyone and everything would use her and then kill her if they had the chance. Because that was what she was conditioned to expect.



If Murtock had feelings for her, I think it's both plausible and likely that she didn't know about them until she heard that message. And it would have hit her like a ton of bricks that her life might have been marginally less horrible had she kept her eyes open and paid attention.

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 04:28

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It would be nice to read a little novel covering Jack & Murtock, and the events also leading up to their relationship. Mondo said that she was thinking about blogging about it. That could be interesting.





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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 04:30

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Epantiras wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

Actually... I just had an idea that might work for the story I would like to see told... might be able to get a lot of Jack background into it... eight pages, you say?

Let me think on it. I'll write a comic script and pop it in my blog, mebbe... hmmm, need to think on this one :o


I'm tempted to ask your permission to draw a comic from your script, but I know I'm a lazy ass and will probably never find time to do it v_v

That would be killer if you and Mondo collaborated on that.;)

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 04:34

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Bioware would have to hire Mondo as Jack's writer if she and Epantiras can pull this comic off!

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 05:20

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I kinda imagined Murtock to be kinda like Joker, minus the brittle bones. A "no lies but no promises" kinda guy.

A bit of a coward and a rogue living the rock'n'roll-ish lifestyle who manages to pull through somehow with a decent amount of connections.

Jack assertions of Murtock using her would be correct for the most part until he starts seeing her as something more. He'd probably have difficulties expressing himself and end up fighting with Jack on more than one occasion, never failing to follow up with make-up sex and the next big money-making scheme.

Maybe the only reason Jack hung around Murtock was that he provided her with most of the things she needed: places to stay, 3 meals a day, drugs, weapons, moving around systems away from Cerberus, something resembling a daily routine.

So when he finally mans up and takes a step forward out of his cowardly shell when things go wrong, he dies and leaves Jack with confessions and apologies. And perhaps to add salt to the wound, he'll even leave behind proof of his affection for Jack in the form of a deed to a plot of land or co-ordinates to a small trailer in a rural colony somewhere.

Modifié par axl99, 23 juin 2010 - 05:38 .

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 05:30

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"...rounding out the bottom of the charts is the art-house-release fourth-wall-breaker Rodin vs Metagodzilla, which carved out 751 million."  (From Cerberus Daily News)

Metagodzilla.  Made me laugh.

Modifié par yorkj86, 23 juin 2010 - 05:30 .

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 09:58

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

It would be nice to read a little novel covering Jack & Murtock, and the events also leading up to their relationship. Mondo said that she was thinking about blogging about it. That could be interesting.



I did a chapter or two of something similar, just on a whim, to kill an hour or so, to see if I could come up with anything interesting.  She's very hard to write for, if you can't write.  

Alas.

EDIT:  Second thoughts.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 23 juin 2010 - 11:52 .

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 10:02

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yorkj86 wrote...

Bioware would have to hire Mondo as Jack's writer if she and Epantiras can pull this comic off!


You hear that, Epants? Our public are crying out for this! I need to find some Lady Gaga shoes and go totter through town like a star with no fashion sense whatsoever and a really irritating voice! ;)

Come on, chuck, are you in or what, because it looks like the Jackolyte People's Front aretrying to strongarm us into this...

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 01:00

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Mondo47 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Bioware would have to hire Mondo as Jack's writer if she and Epantiras can pull this comic off!


You hear that, Epants? Our public are crying out for this! I need to find some Lady Gaga shoes and go totter through town like a star with no fashion sense whatsoever and a really irritating voice! ;)

Come on, chuck, are you in or what, because it looks like the Jackolyte People's Front aretrying to strongarm us into this...


It will be a honor to fight at your side against the Darkspawn!
Oooops wrong line :-P

It will be a honor to work on this project! I'm so excited :D

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 01:02

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Not wanting to give anything away for the readers here, but what did you think of the outline I sent you, Big E?

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 01:21

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Mondo47 wrote...

Not wanting to give anything away for the readers here, but what did you think of the outline I sent you, Big E?


I've just sent you a message about it - it's awesome, Big M!

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 05:04

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Mondo and Epantiras working on a Jack comic. I think my head is about to explode from an overload of awesomeness...

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 06:19

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Jackal904 wrote...

Mondo and Epantiras working on a Jack comic. I think my head is about to explode from an overload of awesomeness...


I agree... but can the universe handle it?

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 08:46

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The talk of Jack comics is exciting. I always pictured Jack as a kind of dark comic book hero. She just has that look and appeal. She would be the kind that blazes through seedy underworlds believed to be "cleaning" the place up but in reality just doing it for good sport hehe

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 09:01

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Jackal904 wrote...

Mondo and Epantiras working on a Jack comic. I think my head is about to explode from an overload of awesomeness...


Oh come now, let's not give them any performance anxiety ;)

#9143
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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 10:14

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On a completely unrelated topic from the impending Mondo/Epantiras Comic of Face-Melting Awesome, I'm going to attempt to resurrect the Jack casting for the eventual movie.

I was sternly in the Olivia Wilde camp, until I was idly tooling around IMDB and found the following...

This is Samaire Armstrong...

Image IPB

 
And I think we have a winner.  Anyone disagree?

#9144
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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 10:23

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royceclemens wrote...

On a completely unrelated topic from the impending Mondo/Epantiras Comic of Face-Melting Awesome, I'm going to attempt to resurrect the Jack casting for the eventual movie.

I was sternly in the Olivia Wilde camp, until I was idly tooling around IMDB and found the following...

This is Samaire Armstrong...


 
And I think we have a winner.  Anyone disagree?

I dunno... if you google her, in some pictures she does resemble Jack but in others she looks very different. Jack is definitely not Japanese. I'm still with Wilde or Portman (prefer Portman).

Modifié par MHRazer, 23 juin 2010 - 10:31 .

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 10:24

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I could see that...

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 10:30

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I would go with Natalie Portman, personally. She even has a similar build to Jack.

Honestly, I'd be fine with anybody except Megan Fox who I''ve seen tossed back and forth as an option by some.

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 10:41

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MHRazer wrote...

I dunno... if you google her, in some pictures she does resemble Jack but in others she looks very different. Jack is definitely not Japanese. I'm still with Wilde or Portman (prefer Portman).


Oh, no he di'int! *Z-snaps*  MHRazer pulled an Avatar on us!  :innocent:

Modifié par yorkj86, 23 juin 2010 - 10:41 .

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Jackal904
Posté 23 juin 2010 - 11:00

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MHRazer wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

On a completely unrelated topic from the impending Mondo/Epantiras Comic of Face-Melting Awesome, I'm going to attempt to resurrect the Jack casting for the eventual movie.

I was sternly in the Olivia Wilde camp, until I was idly tooling around IMDB and found the following...

This is Samaire Armstrong...


 
And I think we have a winner.  Anyone disagree?

I dunno... if you google her, in some pictures she does resemble Jack but in others she looks very different. Jack is definitely not Japanese. I'm still with Wilde or Portman (prefer Portman).


Yeah she's not bad looking but in many pictures she looks very different from Jack. I'm guna stick with Olivia Wilde.

#9149
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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 11:02

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No offence to her, comrade, but...

Wilde is just so much yummier.

Objectivity: goes right out the door when lust comes innuendo. In the window I mean :D

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Posté 23 juin 2010 - 11:31

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Mondo47 wrote...

No offence to her, comrade, but...

Wilde is just so much yummier.

Objectivity: goes right out the door when lust comes innuendo. In the window I mean :D

What is you're opinion on her acting capacity?  I tend to hold the opinion that Hollywood places an over emphasis on physical attractivness vs acting ability.  More so now than ever before.  There are quite a few actors/actresses that don't do a sterling job of acting IMO, but get a lot of contracts due to their physical appearance.  I am not saying this is the case about Wilde, because I don't even know if I have even seen her in a movie or not.  I don't think I have.  I don't watch movies or network(broadcast) T.V. shows near as often as I used to.

Edit:  Also what is you're opinion of Portman's acting as well?

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