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[axl99]

It's funny, I'm working my ass off interning at a game studio and somehow I still find time to scribble one or two things a week. Because I get cranky if I don't.  Portrait pieces, I average about 1-3 hrs with those. Doing anything really polished requires way too many hours outta me.

Modifié par axl99, 24 juin 2010 - 04:21 .

[drunken pyromaniac]

yorkj86 wrote...


She lacks her widow's peak in the FFTL trailer, and her cranial and facial structure are different than how they appear in-game.

Ah right, the widow's peak does really stand out in-game. That's probably why the CGI version looks wrong to me. The bone structure I had noticed but it just didn't jump out at me as much.

[Goat_Shepard]

yorkj86 wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

You know, a CGI movie would actually be all right. Though I'd prefer they make Jack look more like her in-game version. The FFTL trailer version strikes me as...off for some reason.

She lacks her widow's peak in the FFTL trailer, and her cranial and facial structure are different than how they appear in-game.

Very perceptive And that buzzed and off-color (realistic) hair kinda throws me off, but they would probably tweak those things you mentioned. She still looks more like Jack than any real actress would, and that voice!

"Pisses me off!"

Also I've been in conversations about this "widow's peak" term that I learned of recently. And how some are turned off by it.

Since when does someone not like Jack (or anyone for that matter) because of a little tiny thing like her hairline lol if they're shallow enough to be turned off by that, you'd think they'd mention something a little more obvious.
Sry for bringing up the hate, I experience it every day 

Like I said, pisses me off!


But w/e, Casey is her #1 fan. Jack is here to stay

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 24 juin 2010 - 04:39 .

[Jackal904]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@Jackal
You remember when you asked me about my statement about using Jack as the first team leader and that she didn't die?  Well I found out that the first team leader never dies, regardless of who it is.  If you don't use a loyal Garrus, Miranda, or Jacob as the 1st leader, whoever goes through the vents dies regardless of who goes through the vents, and whether or not they are loyal.  I believe I got that right.  Pacifien can correct me if I am wrong.

Damn, I was hoping Jack could be the first fireteam leader and still not have anyone die. Too bad Miranda can't go in the vents and use her crazy plot armour to survive. Oh well, thanks for clearing that up for me .

Goat_Shepard wrote...

It's probably been brought up, but for the movie I prefer:

CGI Jack voiced by Courtenay Taylor. Everyone's CGI. All VA return. I'd be so happy.

And CGI Jack is hot [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

That would be nice if you're a Mass Effect fan, but I don't think it would be popular with general audiences. Unless it's a pixar movie, a film that's entirely computer generated usually doesn't appeal to many people.

And I prefer the in-game Jack model . That widow's peak is such an important part of her look.

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Captain Uccisore wrote...
Also, who was the one who made a blog fic of Jack first meeting Murtock?  It's back a page or two I think, can't find with my brain impaired the way it is. I liked it though, never expected Murtock to be a Scot. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

That was Jake, but he edited the post and deleted the link.

I was guna read that later.

Jake you should put that back up.

Edit: Oh and welcome back Adriano :happy:.

Modifié par Jackal904, 24 juin 2010 - 04:38 .

[axl99]

CGI Jack I find has much softer features than her ingame counterpart and far more expressive eyes due to skin tone and makeup, but on the plus side the facial mocap animation is practically FLAWLESS because of it. Blur studios loved working on Jack, I'd put 50 bucks on that.

[stormrain]

Jackal904 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
That was Jake, but he edited the post and deleted the link.

I was guna read that later.

Jake you should put that back up.

Edit: Oh and welcome back Adriano :happy:.

Yeah, he should, I really liked it. Poor guy didn't get any feedback though.

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 24 juin 2010 - 04:44 .

[Goat_Shepard]

axl99 wrote...

It's funny, I'm working my ass off interning at a game studio and somehow I still find time to scribble one or two things a week. Because I get cranky if I don't.  Portrait pieces, I average about 1-3 hrs with those. Doing anything really polished requires way too many hours outta me.

You're an inspiration for all of us. Your art is flat out spectacular.

Glad to see you're in the "ultimate" business. I'll bet everyone envies you and they don't even know how much hard work you're doing. Keep it up!

And I'm just gunna pretend you're gunna work for Bioware

Jackal904 wrote...

That would be nice if you're a Mass Effect fan, but I don't think it would be popular with general audiences. Unless it's a pixar movie, a film that's entirely computer generated usually doesn't appeal to many people.

And I prefer the in-game Jack model . That widow's peak is such an important part of her look.

But....Courtenay.

Ok how about a compomise? Avatar-esque graphics, mixing real and CGI!

Idk. I really haven't thought about the movie that much , only that all those VA must return. First and foremost, however, we don't know what the movie is even about. If they make ME1, then plans for a trilogy would be out there, and I'm not sure what to think about that, only that "they better not screw up Shepard or anyone else (yeah right)". They could do the First Contact war, but how exciting would that be, really?

And 100% real actors would screw up the aliens so much, they at least would have to be CGI. So far I'm imagining quite the visually amazing movie, if only that was enough to make it good.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 24 juin 2010 - 04:59 .

[Pacifien]

Goat_Shepard wrote...
Do you guys often write these backstory history theories? They're my favorite kind of speculation! Will likely lurk more to gain that perspective.

What do you mean by backstory history theories?

It's hard to get anyone to agree one one kind of backstory for Jack. Take her time before Teltin. Taken by slavers? Grown specifically for the project? Parents gave her to Cerberus? Stolen from her parents by Cerberus?

Then there's the age of her escape. She says she was a kid, but does that translate into a ten-year-old or a fifteen-year-old?

Then there's my theory that I stick to as if it were fact about the Illusive Man tracking Jack from the moment of her escape. Man does not lose track of a resource he could use later.

Where does Jack's name come from anyway? I like to disregard one of the logs on Teltin that referred to her as Jack and think she actually picked out the name for herself. But some view it as a nickname of her original name, like Jacqueline.

Now everyone is trying to figure out Jack and Murtock. And everyone's theories almost line up, but never completely.

And really, those are the best backstory history theories -- the ones no one ever agrees on. Different intepretations for everyone!

Oh right, then there's fanfiction. I only write utterly depressing stories about Jack's time in Teltin.

[Goat_Shepard]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

ME2snip
FFTLsnip

Nice edit and comparison. Why take off your text, though? I was curious for an answer from axl, too

That CGI with Courtenay Taylor's beautiful voice acting....or Natalie Portman. Hmmmm. Decisions.

/sarcasm
Oh I need to upload the rest of my Jack screens, she's got a face for every situation

[Pacifien]

I'm somewhat keen on a CGI movie, but more reserved about the idea than anything else. If it's all CGI, you get Pixar at CGI's best. And that's awesome, but doesn't quite translate into the gritty world of Mass Effect. I'm waiting for someone to use CGI for a serious, gritty movie. If you get CGI mixed with real people/settings, then not likely they'd go the CGI route for a human character like Jack. And I don't know my actresses well enough to mention one I would like as Jack, but I can certainly tell you Natalie Portman is not on my list.

I think more than matching an exact look for some of the characters, what would be really jarring for fans is the voice not matching. The graphics for the game might be decent, but they still can't animate a face to convey all the emotion they need for a character. As much as I love Jack's eyes, it's Courtney Taylor's voice that brings her to life.

I do like her Blur trailer animation. Something about the way she snarls "So. Do. I." It's hot.

[Goat_Shepard]

Pacifien wrote...
What do you mean by backstory history theories?

It's hard to get anyone to agree one one kind of backstory for Jack. Take her time before Teltin. Taken by slavers? Grown specifically for the project? Parents gave her to Cerberus? Stolen from her parents by Cerberus?

Then there's the age of her escape. She says she was a kid, but does that translate into a ten-year-old or a fifteen-year-old?

Then there's my theory that I stick to as if it were fact about the Illusive Man tracking Jack from the moment of her escape. Man does not lose track of a resource he could use later.

Where does Jack's name come from anyway? I like to disregard one of the logs on Teltin that referred to her as Jack and think she actually picked out the name for herself. But some view it as a nickname of her original name, like Jacqueline.

Now everyone is trying to figure out Jack and Murtock. And everyone's theories almost line up, but never completely.

And really, those are the best backstory history theories -- the ones no one ever agrees on. Different intepretations for everyone!

Oh right, then there's fanfiction. I only write utterly depressing stories about Jack's time in Teltin.

Indeed this is what I mean. Unanswered details that won't be addressed means everyone is fit to believe what they want, and reading the speculation can kinda help me with my own.

I thought TIM didn't know anything about Jack, and that by the time he did, she was already gone. And you're sure the logs on Teltin were the first to call her Jack? It's been quite awhile since I played, I cannot remember details for sh!t.

Jacqueline...wow. See? This is why I lurk these forums and might dive headfirst into FF instead of just skimming the surface.

And Jack's character is kinda depressing, I have no doubt many of her FF are sad. But there's always hope, there has to be! Otherwise you're just...one of those people that wants me to feel bad for no good reason.

[Pacifien]

Jackal904 wrote...
Damn, I was hoping Jack could be the first fireteam leader and still not have anyone die. Too bad Miranda can't go in the vents and use her crazy plot armour to survive. Oh well, thanks for clearing that up for me .

Oh! Oh! I got your suicide mission needs covered right here! Right here, man!

Then, as a bonus, I started talking about what roles the squadmates should have played. I mention a few things about Jack.
1) If Miranda leads, Jack will not follow.
2) Jack should have only held the biotic shield if she had gotten her biotic amp upgrade along with her loyalty.
3) I created a new suicide mission role called "Bat**** Crazy Soldier" where the likes of Jack or Grunt were needed to create massive destruction for distraction.

[Goat_Shepard]

Pacifien wrote...

I'm somewhat keen on a CGI movie, but more reserved about the idea than anything else. If it's all CGI, you get Pixar at CGI's best. And that's awesome, but doesn't quite translate into the gritty world of Mass Effect. I'm waiting for someone to use CGI for a serious, gritty movie. If you get CGI mixed with real people/settings, then not likely they'd go the CGI route for a human character like Jack. And I don't know my actresses well enough to mention one I would like as Jack, but I can certainly tell you Natalie Portman is not on my list.
I think more than matching an exact look for some of the characters, what would be really jarring for fans is the voice not matching. The graphics for the game might be decent, but they still can't animate a face to convey all the emotion they need for a character. As much as I love Jack's eyes, it's Courtney Taylor's voice that brings her to life.
I do like her Blur trailer animation. Something about the way she snarls "So. Do. I." It's hot.

Agreed on all accounts. Hoping for ME to be like Avatar is ideal, but a pipe dream. And yes, Courtenay makes Jack come to life where other VA's just didn't seem to "feel" their character like she did. Sometimes writing can save a character, and Jack is well-written, but without that emotion, you have yourself a forgettable character.

There can't be some kind of median between Avatar and Pixar? That CGI looks preeeetty keen.

Pacifien wrote...
Oh! Oh! I got your suicide mission needs covered right here! Right here, man!
[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]
Then, as a bonus, I started talking about what roles the squadmates should have played. I mention a few
things about Jack.
1) If Miranda leads, Jack will not follow.
2) Jack should have only held the biotic shield if she had gotten her biotic amp upgrade along with her loyalty.
3) I created a new suicide mission role called "Bat**** Crazy Soldier" where the likes of Jack or
Grunt were needed to create massive destruction for distraction.

Interesting. Seems so simple it's brilliant! Can't help but be disappointed more squaddies couldn't do something besides hold the line, or that personal upgrades had very little effect, but what can ya do? Write about it!

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 24 juin 2010 - 05:35 .

[Pacifien]

Goat_Shepard wrote...
*snips*
I thought TIM didn't know anything about Jack, and that by the time he did, she was already gone. And you're sure the logs on Teltin were the first to call her Jack? It's been quite awhile since I played, I cannot remember details for sh!t.

Jacqueline...wow. See? This is why I lurk these forums and might dive headfirst into FF instead of just skimming the surface.

And Jack's character is kinda depressing, I have no doubt many of her FF are sad. But there's always hope, there has to be! Otherwise you're just...one of those people that wants me to feel bad for no good reason.

I think most of her fanfiction is actually more uplifting as it concentrates on her relationship with Shepard. They might have their rough patches, but the relationship is generally depicted as being overall positive. Only I don't actually romance Jack and am not the most romantic sort to start with, so I go for dark places.

There is one log on Teltin where a guard mentions there's a riot and Jack is loose. He's then told that everyone else is expendable but they must regain Jack. But like I said, I just ignore it because I much prefer thinking she was just Subject Zero, their lab rat, and she became Jack later. Could also be a nickname for what might have been her last name, like Jackson.

Now the Illusive Man, he's my kind of guy to hate. I might post in one of those threads talking about how inept the rest of Cerberus happens to be, but I don't think that applies to the Illusive Man. The scientist log on Teltin claim sthe Illusive Man might not approve of their methods unless it got the results he wanted. I view him as a man who sets up his organization to allow him plausible deniability. If you look at his email after you visit Pragia, he says all that mess was dealt with and he never approved it. Yeah, he never directly approved their methods, he just give them a directive and let them handle it any way they saw fit.

So how this gets around to him tracking Jack, whenever she popped up on the grid, I'm sure he took note. I think she mentions at some point in the game that Cerberus has actually hounded her in the past, but I might be misremembering what someone else had said before. Another Jackolyte might be able to confirm or dismiss that. Anyway, the Illusive Man never tosses aside a resource he can use later. He knew Jack was a biotic force to be reckoned with. And he was content to let her tear across the galaxy until he finally had a use for such a biotic weapon: a suicide mission. Use her. Hope she doesn't make it back.

[Andaius20]

hey Jack thread, how's it hanging? I liked the blur version of Jack too. To me the CGI has a slightly narrower head.

[Goat_Shepard]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
After re-reading Axl's statement, I believe he means that the end result of the CGI is so impressive, that Blur must have enjoyed doing it,  for it to turn out that flawless.  Is that right Axl?  Or is there something about the Jack model in itself that you think inspired Blur to enjoy it so much?

I think we all know it's the latter

yorkj86 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

2) Jack should have only held the biotic shield if she had gotten her biotic amp upgrade along with her loyalty.

Why?

Then it would have more of a use than just increasing her combat prowess.  Felt kind of wrong buying all these personal upgrades for Jack, Grunt, Mordin, Legion, while others gave you upgrades that helped the mission directly. I wished their personal upgrades had more purpose than "he'll hold the line better" while people WILL die if you don't purchase that shield upgrade.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 24 juin 2010 - 05:40 .

[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
2) Jack should have only held the biotic shield if she had gotten her biotic amp upgrade along with her loyalty.

Why?

I like to think the reason the Illusive Man made you go after a Justicar, who aren't really known for working beyond asari space, is that Samara was especially strong biotic for an asari. And I tend to think that on average, an asari is more powerful than human biotics: hence Miranda's claim that she is a strong biotic "for a human."

I've had discussions on whether or not someone like Kaidan or Miranda should ever have held that shield. I think a lot of Miranda fans felt she should have. When I discussed it in the Kaidan thread, I think the conversation veered more toward Kaidan definitely being one of the most powerful human biotics (because of his L2 implants) but even then he'd fail at the biotic shield. However, he'd hold the damn thing long enough to ensure everyone else made it out okay even if he didn't.

So anyway, that led me to Jack. I think of all the known human biotics, she definitely has the strongest output. Doesn't have to translate into being the best biotic fighter, but certainly outclasses any other human on raw power. Except for maybe Gillian Grayson who is a borderline autistic child at the moment. But anyway, that fact alone might be enough to justify her holding that biotic shield. Yet part of me likes the idea that even for all that raw biotic power, humans still can't match the strongest of biotics out there. Not yet anyway. Not without cool biotic amps.

I've been looking at the suicide mission details for a long time, though. I never had a problem getting the right people for the right roles. I'd love it if the developers had thrown more complications into the mix, but if working on a suicide mission guide has taught me anything, it's if the developers had gotten more complicated with the thing, I'd still be working on that guide. For the next year.

Still, I would have liked the challenge.

Modifié par Pacifien, 24 juin 2010 - 05:50 .

[Goat_Shepard]

@Pacifien that is quite some speculation to think about, especially regarding TIM. He let's all his facilities "go rogue" which really only protects him from all sorts of matters, especially Shepard.

Maybe SuZe got her name during her cage matches, is there a special reason it would be great that Jack got her name on the run?

"Subject Zero was only 8 years old when she was finally let out of her cell to test her powers. She jacked the first guard that touched her under his chin, obliterating his jaw and knocking him out. We never saw him again..

That's when we started to call her Jack".

Idk, I love thinking about this stuff though lol

Anyways, I find it interesting you write Jack romance FF but haven't romanced her lol unless you mean just normal epic FF, which is all good she's the most dynamic of all the LI and people in general, so endless possibilities for FF are presented.

And I agree with you about the human biotics. I had always hoped that Adept!Shepard would somehow test his skills against Samara or Jack, just for fun

And I thought Kaiden had L2 implants which were outdated, and Tali says she's never seen a human with his level of biotic skills "except for Shepard, of course". That always confused me.

More dynamics in the suicide mission would have been nice. If Miranda holds the shield and she isn't loyal, the other squaddie dies even if they are loyal. Some thing's just don't make sense. But regardless, the 3 people I know who played this game each lost a squadmember on Normal difficulty, so it's not as easy as us "hardcore" players make it out to be.

JohnnyDollar wrote...
All we see is the screw ups of Cerberus.  So the assumption is that they are inept.  I am not sure if the writers intended to leave this impression that strongly about Cerberus.  I tend to think that it is just a by-product of how the story is written.  I have read statements from others calling it lazy writing.

It seems like 75% of Cerby's organizations are "rogue", which doesn't make them rogue at all, does it? This makes me think TIM purposefully does this like Pacifien said. But like you said, he installed stupid incompetence to run each facility, and they all failed. That, or the experiments Cerby was demanding were too extreme, or didn't provide them with the right equipment.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 24 juin 2010 - 06:10 .