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Into the Bad Girl: Jack Fans

Débuté par Average Gatsby , févr. 05 2010 03:24

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 08:24

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LiquidGrape wrote...

Probably writing a heartfelt love letter to Shepard.

- One that will never be complete.


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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 08:26

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Epantiras wrote...

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The video IS MADE OF SPOILERS of course, so click at your own risk.


I hope she's trying to hijack the ship after all. I'd totally go pirating with Jack in ME3

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 08:29

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Epantiras wrote...

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Apparently, standing near computers in the future makes one's tattoos turn low-res.

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 08:34

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LiquidGrape wrote...

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I've recently seen a (very depressing) vid on youtube with all the companions deaths of a disastrous ME2 suicide mission (ending with Shepard's death as well). I've noticed that Jack gets blasted by an exploding console just like Pressly and any other Expendable Ensigh of Star Wars. But my question is... WHAT THE F- WAS SHE DOING THERE? If you look closely, you can see she's on the main bridge, around the table with the holographic Normandy/Galaxy Map. I thought she rarely wend out of her hiding hole down the stairs.


Probably writing a heartfelt love letter to Shepard.

- One that will never be complete.


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No, seriously, one of my favorite parts of the Jack romance is the fact that, given all she's told you, letting a paragon-romanced Jack die in the suicide mission is a real source of guilt.  It's not just "my girlfriend died," it's, "she died, and on some level had her pessimistic view of people confirmed in her last seconds, because I loved her and let her die."  There are particularly high stakes, emotionally, which is a good thing.

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 08:37

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 08:38

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yorkj86 wrote...

Nadia73 wrote...

I forgot how awesome Jack is until I just played through again this week. It's great how much she actually does open up, even to a FemShep if you just talk to her. Considering what she's been through, I think that's quite a feat for her.

I hope since her biotics were made a big deal, that she'll be in ME 3 as it looks like they are preparing to kick some tail towards the end of ME 2. I am very much looking forward to that!! :D


Yay!  So, new Jackolyte?


not new at all  :wizard:

i've been in this thread before and around the forums, but it's much too hostile in most places.

i just snipe some threads and hope for the best types of replies. if not, i move on to another one that interests me.

I knew i would love Jack's character as soon as I saw her character trailer... who doesn't love an in-charge woman? :happy:

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 09:12

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Jack is the only one in the game that I am aware of, that does "pounce".  So don't tell me that Tali has the monopoly on it, because the proof is in the game.  Jack's renegade pounce trumps all.  Period!  :devil:

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 25 juin 2010 - 09:18 .

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Jack is the only one in the game that I am aware of, that does "pounce".  So don't tell me that Tali has the monopoly on it, because the proof is in the game.  Jack's renegade pounce trumps all.  Period!  :devil:


Well, Tali has the monopoly on pounces that don't result in the person doing the pouncing telling you to "**** off!"  afterwards.   How's that?

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 09:33

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yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Jack is the only one in the game that I am aware of, that does "pounce".  So don't tell me that Tali has the monopoly on it, because the proof is in the game.  Jack's renegade pounce trumps all.  Period!  :devil:

Well, Tali has the monopoly on pounces that don't result in the person doing the pouncing telling you to "**** off!"  afterwards.   How's that?

Ummm, Tali doesn't pounce though does she?  Isn't that a fan creation?

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 25 juin 2010 - 09:34 .

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 09:35

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She pounces Shepard in the romance scene before the Omega 4-relay.

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 09:37

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Jack is the only one in the game that I am aware of, that does "pounce".  So don't tell me that Tali has the monopoly on it, because the proof is in the game.  Jack's renegade pounce trumps all.  Period!  :devil:

Well, Tali has the monopoly on pounces that don't result in the person doing the pouncing telling you to "**** off!"  afterwards.   How's that?

Ummm, Tali doesn't pounce though does she?  Isn't that a fan creation?


Whaaaaaat?  It's June, and you haven't seen this by now?

Modifié par yorkj86, 25 juin 2010 - 09:37 .

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 09:46

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yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Jack is the only one in the game that I am aware of, that does "pounce".  So don't tell me that Tali has the monopoly on it, because the proof is in the game.  Jack's renegade pounce trumps all.  Period!  :devil:

Well, Tali has the monopoly on pounces that don't result in the person doing the pouncing telling you to "**** off!"  afterwards.   How's that?

Ummm, Tali doesn't pounce though does she?  Isn't that a fan creation?


Whaaaaaat?  It's June, and you haven't seen this by now?

That ain't no pounce, that's just a little aggression going on there.  Nothing to the scale of the Jack pounce.  Now that's a pounce.B)

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 25 juin 2010 - 09:58 .

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 09:59

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

That ain't no pounce, that's just a little aggression going on there.  Nothing to the scale of the Jack pounce.  Now that's a pounce.B)


Alright, I'll just leave you to debate this with the Talimancers, then!  ^_^

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 09:59

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That's a IMMA GIT IN YOUR LAP pounce.

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 10:01

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yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
That ain't no pounce, that's just a little aggression going on there.  Nothing to the scale of the Jack pounce.  Now that's a pounce.B)

Alright, I'll just leave you to debate this with the Talimancers, then!  ^_^

You kiddin me?  I can be a little argumentative at times, but I know futility whenever I see it.:P


At least you will listen to reason yorkster, and understand that my reasoning is superior.:lol:
/kidding

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 25 juin 2010 - 10:14 .

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Posté 25 juin 2010 - 10:25

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LiquidGrape wrote...
Probably writing a heartfelt love letter to Shepard.

- One that will never be complete.


Aha, wow... that made me more depressed than it should have...

Epantiras wrote...

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What was Jack doing there anyway? I can't think of any good reason other than a "for the lulz" death sentence. There's a trope for that, I'm sure...

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 25 juin 2010 - 10:31 .

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Posté 26 juin 2010 - 12:45

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That renegade pounce just gave me a thought.  Jack's renegade pounce has no impact on Jack's character outside of the player's own imagination. 

Of course this may be obvious to everyone, but I believe that Jack's changing charactersitics throughout the game, and the end result that we have at the end of ME2, are from her loyalty mission only.  The renegade pounce, the paragon romance, or no romance at all, have no impact on her character in the story. 

If one cannot say that the paragon romance helped fix Jack, then one cannot say that the renegade episode helped stagnate Jack.  The only difference obviously is romantic dialog and a romance scene if she is romanced, or a sex scene with no more dialog, or no romance scene at all.  I don't believe that these romances change characters in the story.  Jack's loyalty mission is suppose to impact her beliefs I think, but nothing else.

I am not saying that we shouldn't project ourselves onto Shepard or Jack by any means.  I am strickly talking about what is literally presented in the game concerning Jack to us.  It has to be the players imagination here, because the game doesn't provide it.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 26 juin 2010 - 01:15 .

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Posté 26 juin 2010 - 01:26

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If you kinda chew on it for a bit, it is a part of who she is - or rather what she's done before. Jack's character is about as established as everyone else on the SR2.



That's a great avenue for Bioware to explore, even if you are playing as the almighty Commander Shepard they're still giving you the sense not all things are within your control. Who wants brainwashed squaddies? On the other side of the coin, have any of the other squaddies done enough to make you trust them? But then that's pretty much what the cover n fire gameplay is for.

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Posté 26 juin 2010 - 01:42

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I LIKE JACK. I LIKE HER IN YOUR FACE ATTITUDE. SHE IS LIKE BENDER FROM FUTURAMA ONLY SHE IS NOT A ROBOT.

Modifié par Sago_mulch, 26 juin 2010 - 01:43 .

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Posté 26 juin 2010 - 02:14

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

That renegade pounce just gave me a thought.  Jack's renegade pounce has no impact on Jack's character outside of the player's own imagination. 

Of course this may be obvious to everyone, but I believe that Jack's changing charactersitics throughout the game, and the end result that we have at the end of ME2, are from her loyalty mission only.  The renegade pounce, the paragon romance, or no romance at all, have no impact on her character in the story. 

If one cannot say that the paragon romance helped fix Jack, then one cannot say that the renegade episode helped stagnate Jack.  The only difference obviously is romantic dialog and a romance scene if she is romanced, or a sex scene with no more dialog, or no romance scene at all.  I don't believe that these romances change characters in the story.  Jack's loyalty mission is suppose to impact her beliefs I think, but nothing else.

I am not saying that we shouldn't project ourselves onto Shepard or Jack by any means.  I am strickly talking about what is literally presented in the game concerning Jack to us.  It has to be the players imagination here, because the game doesn't provide it.


You'd have to be willing to expand this to all of the other characters in their romances, too.  To go further, we don't yet have evidence for, or against, the effect the romances will have on the characters, if any, since we don't have ME3.

Additionally, using the word "fix" to refer to Shepard's Paragon romantic treatment of Jack is inapposite.

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Posté 26 juin 2010 - 02:43

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Sago_mulch wrote...
I LIKE JACK. I LIKE HER IN YOUR FACE ATTITUDE. SHE IS LIKE BENDER FROM FUTURAMA ONLY SHE IS NOT A ROBOT.

I LIKE JACK, TOO. I LIKE HER NO BULLSH*T ATTITUDE. SHE IS LIKE JAYNE FROM FIREFLY ONLY SHE IS NOT A DUDE. WHY ARE WE YELLING?

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You'd have to be willing to expand this to all of the other characters in their romances, too.  To go further, we don't yet have evidence for, or against, the effect the romances will have on the characters, if any, since we don't have ME3.

Additionally, using the word "fix" to refer to Shepard's Paragon romantic treatment of Jack is inapposite.

I agree it concerns all of the romances. 

We don't have ME3 that is true.  To assume otherwise though, is to assume that MaleShep can romance and therefore change Jack, where as FemShep cannot, or the lack of a romance with Jack cannot.  Or the renegade pounce will change Jack in a totally different way.  I am willing to assume that Bioware will not change the characteristics of said character depending on the romance of said character, outside of romantic dialog in itself.

I don't believe the developers are going to create 3 Jacks, or 2 or 3 versions of the other LI's for ME3.
a) Paragon romanced Jack
B) Renegade pounce Jack
c) Non romanced Jack

I believe there will be only one Jack.  If that Jack was romanced in ME2, then Shep will most likely have unique romantic dialog.  Outside of that, one Jack.

The word "fix" is not inapposite, since it is a term that often used by members that refer to Jack's condition, and the implication that Shepard's romance improves that condition.  Just as how the renegade pounce is implied that it stagnates or deteriorates Jack's mental outlook and condition.  All of this totally excludes female Shepard, and implies that only MaleShepard can change Jack for the good, or the worse. I can't see Bioware doing this myself.

I just don't see Bioware putting the resources into it, especially if you consider the amount of LI's that are in the series so far.

Edit:  Of course this also would assume that Jack would play a meaningful type of a role in ME3 outside of a little cameo.  Where she would have interaction with Shepard whether she was romanced or not.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 26 juin 2010 - 03:11 .

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
You'd have to be willing to expand this to all of the other characters in their romances, too.  To go further, we don't yet have evidence for, or against, the effect the romances will have on the characters, if any, since we don't have ME3.

Additionally, using the word "fix" to refer to Shepard's Paragon romantic treatment of Jack is inapposite.

I agree it concerns all of the romances. 

We don't have ME3 that is true.  To assume otherwise though, is to assume that MaleShep can romance and therefore change Jack, where as FemShep cannot, or the lack of a romance with Jack cannot.  Or the renegade pounce will change Jack in a totally different way.  I am willing to assume that Bioware will not change the characteristics of said character depending on the romance of said character, outside of romantic dialog in itself.

I don't believe the developers are going to create 3 Jacks, or 2 or 3 versions of the other LI's for ME3.
a) Paragon romanced Jack
B) Renegade pounce Jack
c) Non romanced Jack

I believe there will be only one Jack.  If that Jack was romanced in ME2, then Shep will most likely have unique romantic dialog.  Outside of that, one Jack.

The word "fix" is not inapposite, since it is a term that often used by members that refer to Jack's condition, and the implication that Shepard's romance improves that condition.  Just as how the renegade pounce is implied that it stagnates or deteriorates Jack's mental outlook and condition.  All of this totally excludes female Shepard, and implies that only MaleShepard can change Jack for the good, or the worse. 

I just don't see Bioware putting the resources into this, especially if you consider the amount of LI's that are in the series so far.

Edit:  Of course this also would assume that Jack would play a meaningful type of a role in ME3 outside of a little cameo.  Where she would have interaction with Shepard whether she was romanced or not.


It's inapposite because it implies that she is broken, which is quite presumptuous.  He is helping her.   Shepard can't fix her.  If we must use the word "fix", only Jack can "fix"  herself, not Shepard, nor anyone else.

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It's inapposite because it implies that she is broken, which is quite presumptuous.  He is helping her.   Shepard can't fix her.  If we must use the word "fix", only Jack can "fix"  herself, not Shepard, nor anyone else.

I am not making the presumption myself.  I am parroting the term "fix", nothing more.  It has been used quite a lot.  I agree that Shepard can't do this.  I also believe whatever change in Jack takes place, takes place regardless of whether or not she is romanced.  Except for romantic dialog.

As I alluded to earlier, to assume that she changes with Shepard's help through romance, places an over emphasis on the romance outside of the player's imagination.  It also puts FemShep in a position where she can't help Jack outside of her loyalty mission, to the level of MaleShep.  Agree or disagree?

By the same token, the exact same can be said about the renegade pounce.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 26 juin 2010 - 03:27 .

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

I am not making the presumption myself.  I am parroting the term "fix", nothing more.  It has been used quite a lot.  I agree that Shepard can't do this.  I also believe whatever change in Jack takes place, takes place regardless of whether or not she is romanced.  Except for romantic dialog.

As I alluded to earlier, to assume that she changes with Shepard's help through romance, places an over emphasis on the romance outside of the player's imagination.  It also puts FemShep in a position where she can't help Jack outside of her loyalty mission, to the level of MaleShep.  Agree or disagree?

By the same token, the exact same can be said about the renegade pounce.


Don't use the word "fix", then, just because everyone else does.  I've noticed that "fix"  gets tossed around by critics of Jack's character.  To paraphrase:  "Jack sucks.  Shepard fixes her with his magic penis."   You would have to disagree with them not only because you're a fan of Jack, but because you insist that the romance has no demonstrable effect on her, or it cannot have an effect because she must remain a static character apart from the main narrative.

Like I said, "fix" is very presumptuous.  To say that he's helping her is to say just the right thing, be it with the romance, or without.

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