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[Jackal904]

royceclemens wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

Miranda's constantly banging on about how smart she is, yet she's incapable of either reading between the lines or attempting to diffuse the situation. Oh, but Jack went there to pick a fight, the Miridians (well, if we're Jackolytes) say, she's just standing up for herself. Pffftttt... if she really is a genius she shouldn't be poking at someone who can turn her into a meat pretzel (exhibit a - biotic bubble affair... Jack is the mightier biotic). Oh, but it was a rogue cell, they say. Surely Miranda is not so blindly faithful to Cerberus that she can't see that semantics of an argument like that are going to mean nothing to the person that was filled with drugs, experimented on, went through endless surgical procedures and was robbed of any chance to be normal. Oh, but Miranda had a hard childhood too... yeah, daughter of the riches (and admittedly coldest) man in the galaxy? My heart ****ing bleeds... when Miranda has an uplifting collection of rape annecdotes, I'll change my mind.
That argument always gets to me; you can argue the semantics of it forever and a day, but to side with Miranda is to just outright say you don't have a heart, you lack empathy, or you just want to get in her Cerberus-issue ***** suit.

I'm just so glad the word I made up is catching on...

But the cracky thing about all this is that she'll admit to Shepard that what Cerberus did to Jack was a mistake, but she won't admit it to Jack even if she did start the fight.  And what's Miranda's justification for almost coming to blows?

"She's jeopardizing the mission!"

So a powerful, easily guided woman with personal issues somehow poses more of a threat than the woman who decides to manipulate her into violence because the words "That sucks, I'm sorry" are beyond her?  What the hell kind of sense does that make?  That's like Stephen Colbert poking a bear in the eye!  She should damn well know better.

"Guaging other people's motives" my fat, nerdy hinder.

Plus she misleads you during the final mission. Saying that any biotic can hold a barrier which is not true. She tries to steal Samara's thunder and is all like "Nuh uh, I can like totally do the barrier thing too!"

[Yakko77]

jlb524 wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

I love the "slap" option but I'm more interested in the Alliance uniform.  I'd totally wear that instead of the space cowboy outfit I  run around in now.

It's a mod for the PC version.  It gives you more casual wear options that don't have the damn Cerberus logo on them

SWEET!  I  hope a future DLC gives us xbox users more casual options like that.

Or I'll break down and buy this game for PC too.

[BobbyTheI]

This thread is turning into a "Hate the Cheerleader" thread.  I think Jack's rubbing off on us.  

[royceclemens]

If there's a civil war between the two factions... We're screwed. Our small cadre of intellectuals cannot stem the tide of a throng of teenage boys.



But in all seriousness, I'd probably like Miranda more if I opted to get to know her. Anything's better than the woman who turns off the light in her cabin when you turn down her advances. Please tell me I'm not the only one that's happened to.



Of course now we have a new definition of irony. Around these parts, the woman who desperately wants us to hate her has great sympathy while the woman who is designed to be perfect is so easy to loathe.

[Ilzairspar]

Allowing my ignorance to show yet again....



Where be the mods out there....have not found them...though I admit I haven't been looking HARD, but I have been looking.



going back to attempting to hid my ignorance.

[BobbyTheI]

I mean, I don't HATE the character. I'll admit to actually getting a little misty with the whole scene involving her sister.  And I am a Chuck fan, so I do like the actress.

But the fact that most gamers are male is the only explanation I can fathom for why Miranda is remarkably more popular than Jacob, because to me, they're pretty much even as far as the "How interesting I find them" meter goes.  Hell, I've actually even done the Jacob romance path (although that was mostly because I was playing a FemShep, and he was the first one who had his romance option pop up, so I was like, "Eh, what the hell.") and haven't bothered to get around to Miranda.

Mostly though, as was said earlier:  you're in a game with characters have been experimented on, raped, blown up, had any number of tragedies happen to them, and you expect sympathy from us because... you were genetically designed to be perfect by a mean daddy.  It might have helped her case more if we had been given a more concrete idea as to WHAT the horrible things her father would do to her would be, but instead it's just the vague... um... evil thing.

[royceclemens]

Ah the Jacob romance. It was so terrible I was actually deeply impressed. The Plan Nine From Outer Space of BioWare LI's. From "But the priiiiiize" to that out of nowhere shot of his supernatural abs, I haven't laughed that hard since the last vice presidential debate.



See, this is why I wish we had more squadmate banter.



JACK: My entire life has been a conga line of demoralizing trauma, so much so that I fear any affection I show is poisonous to the people I care about.



TALI: My immune system is so weak that I must spend every waking moment in a specially controlled suit, so any passion I may feel like displaying is so close, yet so far away.



MIRANDA: Um... My dad was Richard Burton from Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolfe.



::blank stares::



JACK: What, you want a f***ing cookie?

[Jackal904]

royceclemens wrote...

Ah the Jacob romance. It was so terrible I was actually deeply impressed. The Plan Nine From Outer Space of BioWare LI's. From "But the priiiiiize" to that out of nowhere shot of his supernatural abs, I haven't laughed that hard since the last vice presidential debate.

Ya I did his romance as my femShep because, well, he's the only human male LI. I liked how he asks you how you feel and I told him that it feels weird how it's been 2 years for everyone around you and only a few weeks for you. But then he acts all tough and **** like he's above you. And I was desperately looking for a dialogue option that said "Who the **** do you think you are? I'm commander Shepard ****!" Plus I hate how female Shepard sounds like a seductress whenever you talk to him.

royceclemens wrote...

But in all seriousness, I'd probably like Miranda more if I opted to get to know her. Anything's better than the woman who turns off the light in her cabin when you turn down her advances. Please tell me I'm not the only one that's happened to.

Not for me. I've seen her romance related conversations, and to me they are nothing comapred to Jack's.

Modifié par Jackal904, 05 mars 2010 - 06:40 .

[BobbyTheI]

I dunno, I think people are too hard on the "but the priiiiizzzee" line.  FemShep's already been pretty flirty at that point, and I don't hold it against Jacob that his attempt... wasn't so hot.

But I do agree with the folks who take issue with the line "Miranda deserves a better man than me" and then take it to the logical conclusion of "But you don't, Shepard."  Not exactly the right thing to say to a woman you're wooing, "Yeah, that woman I used to date is SO much better than you... but I guess I'll settle." 

[gneissguy2003]

I've actually done all three of the major LI's for maleShep, and admittedly I wasn't overly impressed with Miranda's. It just felt too underdeveloped and lame. I couldn't quite fathom why exactly they were hooking up. The whole "courting" of Miranda felt somewhat interesting in the beginning because you find out she's this almighty, genetically perfect woman with self-worth issues... so you try to persuade her that her life has meaning and she is who she is because of her own choices and actions, not because of what her father created her to be.

And then it just gets dumb. You start complimenting her on her physical attractiveness and how hot she is, and then suddenly she's ready to throw you on the bed or, as the case ends up being, on the floor in the engineering deck. It just feel like Shepard truly WAS only saying these nice things to her in order to get in her pants. And while watching Miranda show off the goods was, admittedly, nice (I am a 28 year old male) it just left so much to be desired. Heck, I'd say it was only a step above the relationship you can have with Kelly... and I assume we all know how shallow that one is.

Modifié par gneissguy2003, 05 mars 2010 - 06:56 .

[BobbyTheI]

Yeah, I watched the YouTube of the last scene, and got a feeling I'd seen all I needed to see of that relationship. Nice to see my instinct was right.

[royceclemens]

How DARE you talk that way about Kelly! Our love will sunder the ages themselves! SHE FED MY FISH AND DID A HOOCHIE DANCE! :-)

I dunno. I think I'll throw one up and give Miranda a whirl. If for no other reason than just to see what everyone Warming Up to Miranda sees. I had a feeling she'd be more on the shallow side, but I wonder how I'd interpret it.

Modifié par royceclemens, 05 mars 2010 - 07:04 .

[jlb524]

Ilzairspar wrote...

Allowing my ignorance to show yet again....

Where be the mods out there....have not found them...though I admit I haven't been looking HARD, but I have been looking.

going back to attempting to hid my ignorance.

Here's the thread with a bunch of mods

[gneissguy2003]

Go for it. Maybe you'll come away with a different perspective on it than me, in which case I'm interested in seeing how you fare with her. Enjoy the virtual-boobies.

[jlb524]

I think both Miranda and Jacob are equally boring romances. FemSheps don't go for Jacob (preferring the more interesting maliens) while DudeSheps love Miranda (as opposed to the more interesting Jack romance). It's interesting.



The Miranda romance is basically:



Boy meets girl. Boy thinks girl is hot. Boy flirts with girl. Girl flirts with boy. Girl clears the engine room so her and boy can have sex. The end.

[eternalnightmare13]

At first I didn't care for Jack at all. Maybe it was all the profanity. Maybe it was all the hype surrounding her pre-release of the game.



When I got around to doing my second playthrough which I consider my 'canon' character and simply played the game I enjoyed Jack quite a bit. She was far more complex then some of the other characters and I like the fact that she isn't a girly girl but instead a hardcore ass kicking ****. It's good to see female characters that aren't simply stereo typical eye candy with no substance. I like the fact that she can come off as abrasive at first and you have to spend time getting to know her before really romancing her, or you have the option of simply ****ing her. I like that Jack calls it like it is and speaks her mind rather then being shifty and dishonest like Cerebus. Plus, she isn't awestruck by Shep either. Heck, she even calls him a **** at one point on Purgatory if you go Paragon with her.



Jack is different then any other character in ME1 or 2. Some people don't like different and others do. Personally, I felt that she was a well written character that I hope comes back for ME3.

[gneissguy2003]

Okay, so I don't know if anyone else has heard this line from Jack, but if you haven't taken her along with you to meet the "Biotic God" on Samara's recruitment quest then you are TRULY missing out.



Be sure to choose the Renegade speech options during your talk with that volus, and after you say "Charge" and he waddles away, Jack turns to you and says, "Aaww, that was mean... but really damn funny." I almost laughed myself out of my chair. I love a nice, dark sense of humor and it's just one more reason to love Jack.

[jlb524]

gneissguy2003 wrote...

Okay, so I don't know if anyone else has heard this line from Jack, but if you haven't taken her along with you to meet the "Biotic God" on Samara's recruitment quest then you are TRULY missing out.

Be sure to choose the Renegade speech options during your talk with that volus, and after you say "Charge" and he waddles away, Jack turns to you and says, "Aaww, that was mean... but really damn funny." I almost laughed myself out of my chair. I love a nice, dark sense of humor and it's just one more reason to love Jack.

I'm playing Renegade right now....I'll make sure to pick this one

[Mkrgross]

gneissguy2003 wrote...

Okay, so I don't know if anyone else has heard this line from Jack, but if you haven't taken her along with you to meet the "Biotic God" on Samara's recruitment quest then you are TRULY missing out.

Be sure to choose the Renegade speech options during your talk with that volus, and after you say "Charge" and he waddles away, Jack turns to you and says, "Aaww, that was mean... but really damn funny." I almost laughed myself out of my chair. I love a nice, dark sense of humor and it's just one more reason to love Jack.

Ya Jack has some of the best lines in the game, two of my favorites were; 1) On Thane's recruitment mission when you take the renegade interrupt and push the Eclipse Merc out the window, Jack says, "Damn Shepard, I could take notes from you." or 2) On Grunt's recruitment mission in the beginning you come up to a wounded Blue Suns Merc, you tell him to run and maybe he will find a shady spot to bleed out, Jack says, "Funny." in which Shepard replies, "I thought so."

[BobbyTheI]

You can't beat the all-time classic, though: her line on Miranda's loyalty mission. I must have laughed for a full minute after that one.

[adembroski11]

I love tattoos and the image, very sexy, but very childish. Hated her attitude.

I like Tali... I can live with 3 fingers with an ass like that.

Modifié par adembroski11, 05 mars 2010 - 08:34 .

[Mkrgross]

BobbyTheI wrote...

You can't beat the all-time classic, though: her line on Miranda's loyalty mission. I must have laughed for a full minute after that one.

"I like her. Are we still recruiting?"

That the one you thinking of?

Modifié par Mkrgross, 05 mars 2010 - 08:51 .

[Jackal904]

gneissguy2003 wrote...

Okay, so I don't know if anyone else has heard this line from Jack, but if you haven't taken her along with you to meet the "Biotic God" on Samara's recruitment quest then you are TRULY missing out.

Be sure to choose the Renegade speech options during your talk with that volus, and after you say "Charge" and he waddles away, Jack turns to you and says, "Aaww, that was mean... but really damn funny." I almost laughed myself out of my chair. I love a nice, dark sense of humor and it's just one more reason to love Jack.

Ya Jack cracks me up. I love bringing her and Grunt to all the missions because they have the funniest lines. During the derelict reaper she says something about turning Legion into a lamp, that was pretty damn funny. Also sometimes when she gets knocked out during combat she'll say "If I die I'm haunting you Shepard."

Mkrgross wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...

You can't beat the all-time classic, though: her line on Miranda's loyalty mission. I must have laughed for a full minute after that one.

"I like her. Are we still recruiting?"

That the one you thinking of?

Haha ya that was hilarious.

Modifié par Jackal904, 05 mars 2010 - 08:53 .

[eternalnightmare13]

adembroski11 wrote...

I love tattoos and the image, very sexy, but very childish. Hated her attitude.

I like Tali... I can live with 3 fingers with an ass like that.

Go back to your chicken foot thread.

[Jackal904]

adembroski11 wrote...

I love tattoos and the image, very sexy, but very childish. Hated her attitude.

I like Tali... I can live with 3 fingers with an ass like that.

Are you serious? I can totally understand saying that with Miranda, but Tali? No. She hardly even has an ass.